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"pc games" <pcgame...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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| On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Doug Jacobs wrote:
|
| > All you've been doing here is preaching to the choir, and then going off
| > on totally insane rants against Steam and other things.
|
| Valve and STEAM are the ones that gain the most with PIRACY
| Did you know just now in the Action group STEAM LOVERs are using the
| fact STALKER a high profile Action game being released this week is
| already being pirated and they are using that excuse to defend the
| game should be released via STEAM
| There is even one STEAM LOVER that gone even further by himself doing
| the actual piracy to help STEAM and Valve
|
| The more the piracy the better for aggressive copy-protection systems
| like STEAM
| The more anarchy PIRACY provokes in PC Games the more Valve has the
| ability to present itself as the savior
|
| > again, preaching to the choir.  The vast majority of the folks here
| > already acquire their games legally.  I also suspect that many of the
| > folks here DO try to discourage folks from copying/pirating.
|
| Are you telling the majority in this group doesn't lend their games to
| friends which will then make illegal copies?
| Do you yourself not lend games to friends?
| And if you lend do you have control over the copies that might be
| created without you knowing?
|
| > But piracy isn't the only problem that PC gaming faces.  If you want
| > proof, look at console gaming.  Piracy is even more rampant over there,
| > yet the market continues to do fine.  So it's clear that piracy isn't 
the
|
| My thread speaks about a particular developer, id Software
| id Software a long time PC developer has made the decision to switch
| to console development and the reason they gave was PC Piracy
| They specifically say Piracy in the PC is much worse than in consoles
| You say they are lying?
| Well that doesn't change the fact they switched to consoles for their
| primary gaming platform
|
| > I'm really surprised you haven't started evangelizing about what I feel 
is
| > the REAL path for saving PC games - independent publishers.
|
| Valve is independent and its abusive
| I don't give a damn about independency if you use that independency to
| ABUSE and disrespect consumer rights
| Yes I don't like big monopolistic corporations like EA or Microsoft,
| but Valve even being small and independent has exactly the same ways,
| meaning greed, lust for power and monopoly and doing everything to get
| it including disrespecting customers and consumer rights
|

You totally missed 2 of the main points that Mr. Jacobs was trying to 
make...

First, the SMALLER independent companies are making the new fresh 
progressive games...  Not the old big companies (such as id and Valve) that 
churn out just more of the same time and time again...

Second, piracy is rampant in the console industry too...  Funny, but they 
don't seem to be all worried and paranoid about the industry that they are 
flocking TOWARDS, now do they?  Ever stop to wonder why that is?  It's 
because the console market is HUGE, and even with a big chunk taken out for 
piracy, console game developers make serious money.  If the console market 
is twice the size of the PC market (a very conservative estimate for 
simplicity), then it stands to reason that any developer moving to consoles 
would have a good chance of selling many more units of their product.  Oh, 
and add into that equation the fact that some proprietary hardware and 
software (as in copy protection) are incorporated into the console 
equipment, making it much more difficult (but still not impossible) to 
pirate...  See, game developers can move to consoles where they can have a 
reasonably more secure product, without a bunch of whiners screaming about 
how their rights are being trampled on and how copy protection or 
registration are evil and should be smitten...  In consoles, it's all part 
of the product, it's seamless and invisible to the user, and most don't even 
know it exists - and if they did, so what, they can either deal with it or 
scrap their console and move on.

In the end, the move is all about money and not having to deal with absolute 
ignorant fanatics who spout anti-piracy propoganda at the drop of a hat, yet 
instantly scream foul at any attempts made to protect games and help curb 
the piracy epidemic.

Personally, I can't blame id...  More money, less dealing with hypocritical 
psychos...  Where's the down side to it all?

CoinSpin