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On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:16:36 +0100, Angus
<angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.

	There is an online game called EVE see :
http://www.eve-online.com/ for more info.

<angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.

<OldSalt@noway.com> wrote:
>	There is an online game called EVE see :
>http://www.eve-online.com/ for more info.

In terms of mechanics, EVE is pretty much just a standard MMORPG set
in space.  If you want dogfighting with a joystick sort of games, like
those he mentioned, then Jumpgate would be your only MMO option.  As for
single player games, I think X 3 might be about it for recent releases.

					Ross Ridge

-- 
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[oo][oo]  rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
-()-/()/  http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rridge/ 
 db  //	  

In article <i6op0l$rhm$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>, 
rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca says...
> 
> <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.
> 
> <OldSalt@noway.com> wrote:
> >	There is an online game called EVE see :
> >http://www.eve-online.com/ for more info.
> 
> In terms of mechanics, EVE is pretty much just a standard MMORPG set
> in space.  If you want dogfighting with a joystick sort of games, like
> those he mentioned, then Jumpgate would be your only MMO option.  As for
> single player games, I think X 3 might be about it for recent releases.
> 
> 					Ross Ridge


Thanks guys, I'm not really into online stuff, but let me make this 
abundantly clear, older games are fine if I can get them to run on this 
here XP machine. I'm an Amiga guy, so games that are around 20 years 
old, Warhead, Space Rogue, Star Crusader etc are still great games in my 
book. "Recent" is not an issue.  :)

So to recap and in no particular order, and sticking with single player 
games:


Freelancer
IWar 1 and 2
Freespace 1 and 2
Starlancer
Hardwar 

Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)

X-Wing Alliamce?

Angus wrote:

> 
> So to recap and in no particular order, and sticking with single player 
> games:
> 
> 
> Freelancer
> IWar 1 and 2
> Freespace 1 and 2
> Starlancer
> Hardwar 
> 
> Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)

Don't know if it's a gem, but take a look at:

'Tarr Chronicles' (2007)


> 
> X-Wing Alliamce?
> 
> 

-- 
"In space nobody can hear you clean" (SQ VI)

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:57:10 +0100, Angus
<angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)

	There is one which is old but don't remember the name, it was
a joystick type of space game where the enemy was cat like people.

On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:16:36 GMT, Angus posted to
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.space-sim: 

> I only got a pc for home about a year ago, and I was looking for some 
> wise words about the best space sims/games.
> 
> I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.
> 
> I gather the Freespace games are highly regarded, so I've acquired
> those too and I also just picked up Starlancer on ebay.
> 
> I'm a but unsure if the X games would suit me, but I have a copy of
> X2.
> 
> Could I ask you for some further recommendations?

Evochron Mercenary, supposed to be out beginning tomorrow (or 
thereabouts).

http://www.starwraith.com/evochronmercenary/index.htm

They have other older games along the same vein as well.

But I would highly recommend the X games (the most recent one is the best 
IMO), but you're right they're not everyone's cup of tea.

There's also the Privateer remake: http://privateer.sourceforge.net/

Freelancer was great for what it was, but good luck finding it somewhere.

A couple more:
http://www.spaceforce-game.com
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/evn/

-- 
If the shoe fits, get another one just like it for the other foot...

Angus  <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
>
>X-Wing Alliamce?

X-Wing Alliance last of the real Star Wars space sims, so graphically
it's the nicest looking.  Although it only works properly using software
rendering on my Windows 7 machine.  There's also Windows versions of
the original X-Wing, and Tie Fighter games.

Privateer is an old MS-DOS game that was apparently the inspiration for
Freelancer.  You might like it if you can get past the dated graphics.
There's also the whole Wing Commander series that's it's based on,
but again they're all MS-DOS games except last one which got ported
to Windows.

I've heard good things about Tachyon: The Fringe, but I haven't played it.
There's also DarkStar One that gets metioned from time to time here,
but not usually postively.

					Ross Ridge

-- 
 l/  //	  Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
[oo][oo]  rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
-()-/()/  http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rridge/ 
 db  //	  

Ross Ridge wrote:

> Privateer is an old MS-DOS game that was apparently the inspiration for
> Freelancer.  You might like it if you can get past the dated graphics.
> There's also the whole Wing Commander series that's it's based on,
> but again they're all MS-DOS games except last one which got ported
> to Windows.

There is a fan-made remake of Privateer. It's freeware and is quite faithful
to the original game. It runs on Vegastrike engine in Windows and Linux.

I highly recommend the five Wing Commander games. They all work fine with
DosBox on a Windows PC. Used copies are still available and have decent
prices.
--
Noman

Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> X-Wing Alliance last of the real Star Wars space sims, so graphically
> it's the nicest looking.  Although it only works properly using software
> rendering on my Windows 7 machine.  There's also Windows versions of
> the original X-Wing, and Tie Fighter games.

If you're going to play the original X-Wing and TIE-Fighter games, troll 
for the DOS CD-ROM versions; the graphics aren't as good, but the 
Windows versions were rather hackish ports bolted onto the X-Wing vs TIE 
Fighter engine.  These days even a netbook ought to be able to run them 
in DOSBox just fine.  Of course you'll need a real joystick.  And the 
games are *tough*.

(XWA was a pretty solid game too.  As was XvT's campaign.  Boo to
 LucasArts for subsequently taking all Star Wars development in-house 
 and butchering everything that followed..)

> Privateer is an old MS-DOS game that was apparently the inspiration for
> Freelancer.  You might like it if you can get past the dated graphics.
> There's also the whole Wing Commander series that's it's based on,
> but again they're all MS-DOS games except last one which got ported
> to Windows.

Privateer is The Greatest Game Evar(tm).  Not that I feel strongly about 
it or anything.  But the older Wing Commander games all got ported to 
Windows as part of the so-called 'Kilrathi Saga' release.  Privateer 2 
suffered from not quite being balanced right, but was fun.

(The Privateer Gemini Gold remake is decent enough, but doesn't "feel" 
 the same as the original. It keeps getting clsoer though)

> I've heard good things about Tachyon: The Fringe, but I haven't played it.
> There's also DarkStar One that gets metioned from time to time here,
> but not usually postively.

Tachyon was quite good (albeit with a couple of odd design choices) but 
DarkStar One... too arcade-y for my tastes, with the magical 
powerup/upgrade crystals thing.

The X-series of games are supposedly pretty good (never actually played 
'em myself; I'm told they have a bit of a learning curve).  The 
Freespace games are *very* good, especially the second.

 - Solomon
-- 
Solomon Peachy        		       pizza at shaftnet dot org	 
Melbourne, FL                          ^^ (mail/jabber/gtalk) ^^
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

In message <beu296pct75v4im0fkvohpkbd71nec343h@4ax.com>, 
OldSalt@noway.com writes
>On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:57:10 +0100, Angus
><angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
>
>       There is one which is old but don't remember the name, it was
>a joystick type of space game where the enemy was cat like people.

Wing Commander?
-- 
Sean Black

In article <i6rl7m$rfn$1@speranza.aioe.org>, 
look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid says...
> 
> Angus wrote:
> 
> > Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
> 
> Don't know if it's a gem, but take a look at:
> 
> 'Tarr Chronicles' (2007)
> 


Had a look at the review and it got pretty well slagged off One review 
tore it apart pretty convincingly. - Thanks though. 

In article <beu296pct75v4im0fkvohpkbd71nec343h@4ax.com>, 
OldSalt@noway.com says...
> 
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:57:10 +0100, Angus
> <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
> 
> 	There is one which is old but don't remember the name, it was
> a joystick type of space game where the enemy was cat like people.

Wing Commander? I played the CD32 version (which was more colourful) on 
my souped up Amiga using a patch that increased the framerate, making 
the game really playable. I think it was scaled sprites rather than 
polygons, but I had a lot of fun with it, but ultimately I preferred 
Star Crusader. 

In article <i6tk6f$up3$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>, 
rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca says...
> 
> Angus  <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
> >
> >X-Wing Alliamce?
> 
> X-Wing Alliance last of the real Star Wars space sims, so graphically
> it's the nicest looking.  Although it only works properly using software
> rendering on my Windows 7 machine.  There's also Windows versions of
> the original X-Wing, and Tie Fighter games.
> 

Are these official re-releases or do you mean reverse engineered stuff 
by the fan community?


> I've heard good things about Tachyon: The Fringe, but I haven't played 
> it.
> There's also DarkStar One that gets metioned from time to time here,
> but not usually postively.
> 

Thanks for the info.

You have one message from: Angus <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk>

> Are these official re-releases or do you mean reverse engineered
> stuff by the fan community?

Yes, both X-Wing and Tie Figter were remade on XvT engine.

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We are the enemies of the gods.

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:19:09 +0100, Sean Black
<sean@bucks-aggs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <beu296pct75v4im0fkvohpkbd71nec343h@4ax.com>, 
>OldSalt@noway.com writes
>>On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:57:10 +0100, Angus
>><angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
>>
>>       There is one which is old but don't remember the name, it was
>>a joystick type of space game where the enemy was cat like people.
>
>Wing Commander?

	Yes, thanks, my memory isn't what it use to be.  Love that
game, it had me hooked.  I put it in the same class as Freelancer when
it comes to fun.

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:44:27 +0100, Angus
<angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I preferred 
>Star Crusader. 

	What do you know about "Star Ruler" by Blind Mind Studios?
Just got an e-mail for it marked down from  $24.99 to $19.99.

On Sep 17, 9:55 pm, OldS...@noway.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:44:27 +0100, Angus
>
> <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I preferred
> >Star Crusader.
>
>         What do you know about "Star Ruler" by Blind Mind Studios?
> Just got an e-mail for it marked down from  $24.99 to $19.99.

Star Ruler is a 4X strategy game.  You might want to check out
Shatterstar, if you can find a copy of it.

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), EMan
<supreme.evolutionary@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 17, 9:55 pm, OldS...@noway.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:44:27 +0100, Angus
>>
>> <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > I preferred
>> >Star Crusader.
>>
>>         What do you know about "Star Ruler" by Blind Mind Studios?
>> Just got an e-mail for it marked down from  $24.99 to $19.99.
>
>Star Ruler is a 4X strategy game.  You might want to check out
>Shatterstar, if you can find a copy of it.

	Didn't see anything about it, just some X-Men stuff.  But am
looking at Amanda 2523 or something called that.  It looks not bad.
Did get Star Rule, while I knew it was not finished, it does have
potential.  Just that only using OpenGL instead of Direct-X, it runs
really slow on my system.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:55:33 GMT,  posted to
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.space-sim: 

> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:44:27 +0100, Angus
> <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I preferred Star Crusader. 
> 
>      What do you know about "Star Ruler" by Blind Mind Studios?
> Just got an e-mail for it marked down from  $24.99 to $19.99.

I'm going to wait on Star Ruler till the devs put an actual game in there 
rather than it just being a fancy tech demo.

-- 
I once was sad because I had no shoes.
Then I met a man who had no feet...
So I took his shoes.

In article <MPG.26fb1940acdfb142989770@news.demon.co.uk>, angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk 
says...
> 
> In article <i6op0l$rhm$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>, 
> rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca says...
> > 
> > <angus@_ANTISPEM_angusm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.
> > 
> > <OldSalt@noway.com> wrote:
> > >	There is an online game called EVE see :
> > >http://www.eve-online.com/ for more info.
> > 
> > In terms of mechanics, EVE is pretty much just a standard MMORPG set
> > in space.  If you want dogfighting with a joystick sort of games, like
> > those he mentioned, then Jumpgate would be your only MMO option.  As for
> > single player games, I think X 3 might be about it for recent releases.
> > 
> > 					Ross Ridge
> 
> 
> Thanks guys, I'm not really into online stuff, but let me make this 
> abundantly clear, older games are fine if I can get them to run on this 
> here XP machine. I'm an Amiga guy, so games that are around 20 years 
> old, Warhead, Space Rogue, Star Crusader etc are still great games in my 
> book. "Recent" is not an issue.  :)
> 
> So to recap and in no particular order, and sticking with single player 
> games:
> 
> 
> Freelancer
> IWar 1 and 2
> Freespace 1 and 2
> Starlancer
> Hardwar 
> 
> Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
> 
> X-Wing Alliamce?

In my opinion X-3 is hard to beat for an elite-clone with pretty much better Everything.
Getting started cold (like I did) requires a little steep learning curve time, but there's a 
great resource out on the web, somebody's collected all the faq and walkthroughs and strategy 
guides published for it and put them in a (pdf?) book that's free to download.

As far as I'm concerned, this game is better'n anything I tried so far, and I just wish I had 
more time to play it. 

-P.

In article <MPG.270827adce3bb061989a06@news.individual.net>, 
no.one@this.address says...
> 
> > 
> > So to recap and in no particular order, and sticking with single player 
> > games:
> > 
> > 
> > Freelancer
> > IWar 1 and 2
> > Freespace 1 and 2
> > Starlancer
> > Hardwar 
> > 
> > Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
> > 
> > X-Wing Alliamce?
> 
> In my opinion X-3 is hard to beat for an elite-clone with pretty much better Everything.
> Getting started cold (like I did) requires a little steep learning curve time, but there's a 
> great resource out on the web, somebody's collected all the faq and walkthroughs and strategy 
> guides published for it and put them in a (pdf?) book that's free to download.
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, this game is better'n anything I tried so far, and I just wish I had 
> more time to play it. 
> 


Thanks for the info. I've not bought a copy of the game. I'm just trying 
to decide when I get round to playing it if I should start with X2 which 
I picked up cheap a while back.

I think the next game I will try is Freespace.

Angus wrote:
> In article <MPG.270827adce3bb061989a06@news.individual.net>, 
> no.one@this.address says...
>>> So to recap and in no particular order, and sticking with single player 
>>> games:
>>>
>>>
>>> Freelancer
>>> IWar 1 and 2
>>> Freespace 1 and 2
>>> Starlancer
>>> Hardwar 
>>>
>>> Tell me there's some gems I don't know about.  :)
>>>
>>> X-Wing Alliamce?
>> In my opinion X-3 is hard to beat for an elite-clone with pretty much better Everything.
>> Getting started cold (like I did) requires a little steep learning curve time, but there's a 
>> great resource out on the web, somebody's collected all the faq and walkthroughs and strategy 
>> guides published for it and put them in a (pdf?) book that's free to download.
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned, this game is better'n anything I tried so far, and I just wish I had 
>> more time to play it. 
>>
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info. I've not bought a copy of the game. I'm just trying 
> to decide when I get round to playing it if I should start with X2 which 
> I picked up cheap a while back.
> 
> I think the next game I will try is Freespace.

Don't know if you subscribe to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action?
But 'Spalls Hurgenson' just recommended the following in that group.

<quote>

* Star Wars - Battle for Endor (replay)
It's not quite the next X-Wing game, but for a quick shot of 
space-combat action, Battle For Endor can't be beat. Available 
for free from http://www.bruneras.com/ it features that epic 
space battle from /Return Of The Jedi/ against dozens of Star 
Destroyers and hundreds -if not thousands- of TIE Fighters. A 
second free upgrade enhances the sounds and visuals somewhat, 
making this an unbelievably fun game. For variety, pick up the 
sister game, "Battle For Yavin".

</quote>

Something to check out.


-- 

In article <i8b8ri$d7h$1@speranza.aioe.org>, 
look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid says...
> 
> <quote>
> 
> * Star Wars - Battle for Endor (replay)
> It's not quite the next X-Wing game, but for a quick shot of 
> space-combat action, Battle For Endor can't be beat. Available 
> for free from http://www.bruneras.com/ it features that epic 
> space battle from /Return Of The Jedi/ against dozens of Star 
> Destroyers and hundreds -if not thousands- of TIE Fighters. A 
> second free upgrade enhances the sounds and visuals somewhat, 
> making this an unbelievably fun game. For variety, pick up the 
> sister game, "Battle For Yavin".
> 
> </quote>
> 
> Something to check out.


Thanks for the info Etal, looks like fun.

On 9/14/2010 12:16 PM, Angus wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I only got a pc for home about a year ago, and I was looking for some
> wise words about the best space sims/games.
>
> I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.
>
> I gather the Freespace games are highly regarded, so I've acquired those
> too and I also just picked up Starlancer on ebay.
>
> I'm a but unsure if the X games would suit me, but I have a copy of X2.
>
> Could I ask you for some further recommendations?
>
> Right on, Commanders.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> P.S.
> And is there a good space station game?

          A couple of games that gave me tons of fun were Star 
Trek: Klingon Academy. I had much fun with the campaign and 
online play. I hear there are some nice mods for it too. I heard 
the forerunner of KA, Starfleet Academy was good but never 
played it. Then there was Star Trek: Bridge Commander. That 
provided some great space battles. But in KA it was cool the way 
you could blow off a warp nacelle and have colorful plumes of 
plasma leaking into space. I'm sure there are others I can't 
think of right now.

John

In article <j5s5p.13211$4L4.11506@newsfe11.iad>, hhitman86@pacbell.net 
says...
> 
> On 9/14/2010 12:16 PM, Angus wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I only got a pc for home about a year ago, and I was looking for some
> > wise words about the best space sims/games.
> >
>           A couple of games that gave me tons of fun were Star 
> Trek: Klingon Academy. I had much fun with the campaign and 
> online play. I hear there are some nice mods for it too. I heard 
> the forerunner of KA, Starfleet Academy was good but never 
> played it. Then there was Star Trek: Bridge Commander. That 
> provided some great space battles. But in KA it was cool the way 
> you could blow off a warp nacelle and have colorful plumes of 
> plasma leaking into space. I'm sure there are others I can't 
> think of right now.
> 
Thanks, I'm a bit unsure about Trek, in that while I loved the original 
series, I never really clicked with the newer ones, although I enjoyed a 
lot of Voyager, and Enterprise. I'm a bit of an old git, I liked the 
cold war feel that the older series had, and found the non-
confrontational approach of Next Generation a bit limp. I don't really 
do on-line games either. But I'll try and investigate further.

On 2/13/2011 11:18 AM, Angus wrote:
> In article<j5s5p.13211$4L4.11506@newsfe11.iad>, hhitman86@pacbell.net
> says...
>>
>> On 9/14/2010 12:16 PM, Angus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I only got a pc for home about a year ago, and I was looking for some
>>> wise words about the best space sims/games.
>>>
>>            A couple of games that gave me tons of fun were Star
>> Trek: Klingon Academy. I had much fun with the campaign and
>> online play. I hear there are some nice mods for it too. I heard
>> the forerunner of KA, Starfleet Academy was good but never
>> played it. Then there was Star Trek: Bridge Commander. That
>> provided some great space battles. But in KA it was cool the way
>> you could blow off a warp nacelle and have colorful plumes of
>> plasma leaking into space. I'm sure there are others I can't
>> think of right now.
>>
> Thanks, I'm a bit unsure about Trek, in that while I loved the original
> series, I never really clicked with the newer ones, although I enjoyed a
> lot of Voyager, and Enterprise. I'm a bit of an old git, I liked the
> cold war feel that the older series had, and found the non-
> confrontational approach of Next Generation a bit limp. I don't really
> do on-line games either. But I'll try and investigate further.

       If you like the cold war aspects of the first series then 
you should like Klingon Academy. It's does have cold war and 
civil war aspects to it.

        I'm gonna finally play Independence War 1 and 2. I 
bought both of them years ago and only played a few missions of 
the first game. I got stuck and forgot about it. But your 
description has me interested in finishing these two games.

John

On 12/02/2011 8:08 PM, John Slade wrote:
>> I only got a pc for home about a year ago, and I was looking for some
>> wise words about the best space sims/games.
>>
>> I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.
>>
>> I gather the Freespace games are highly regarded, so I've acquired those
>> too and I also just picked up Starlancer on ebay.
>>
>> I'm a but unsure if the X games would suit me, but I have a copy of X2.
>>
>> Could I ask you for some further recommendations?
>>
>> Right on, Commanders.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>> P.S.
>> And is there a good space station game?

Top 10?  That depends on what sorta space games you like. :D

But here's a few of various types that you should be able to find 
reviews for:


Orbiter (http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/home.php) isn't bad for a free 
3D space sim.  It's more about maneuvering under real-time physics 
properly (Lunar-Lander anybody) than a space trading/fighting game.

Vega Strike (http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net) is another good free 
game.  Well... it's still under development and will be for a long time 
to come, but you can see that it has potential.  ;)

I'm a big X3 fan, but I like the complexity...  definitely not a game 
for a bit of light entertainent.

Starlancer's a good game, BTW.  Tachyon is quite similar, as is Darkstar 
One from memory.

Somehow I couldn't get into Star Fury (homepage & demo available @ 
http://www.malfador.com/starfury.html) but I've a friend who loves it to 
bits. *shrug*

Starshatter was one that had some excellent potential, but was let down 
by silly imbalances IMHO.

Flatspace isn't bad if you don't mind the ol' arcade style space 
combat/trading games

On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 3:16:36 PM UTC-4, Angus wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I only got a pc for home about a year ago, and I was looking for some 
> wise words about the best space sims/games.
> 
> I've played both the IWar games, and Freespace all of which I enjoyed.
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> I gather the Freespace games are highly regarded, so I've acquired those 
> too and I also just picked up Starlancer on ebay.
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> I'm a but unsure if the X games would suit me, but I have a copy of X2.
> 
> Could I ask you for some further recommendations?
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> Right on, Commanders.
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> Cheers.
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> 
> P.S.
> And is there a good space station game?