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For MSFS I recommend alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim

This newsgroup is more oriented to combat-type flight simulators on a good 
day (and politics the rest of the time)
(kinda embarassing to say that having just succumbed to the trolling in the 
"Bitch" thread)

You'll love the guys in alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim... there never was a 
more helpful group of people.

As for joysticks, I use an old logitech wingman force for prop syms, and a 
Thrustmaster SWF setup for Falcon 4.0, Lomac (which I almost never play) and 
other jet sims.  Most folks around here us CH products, though, and seem to 
love them.  I highly recommend their pro pedals (with toe brakes).

Also look into a TrackIr.  It enables you to shift the view by slight turns 
of the head.  Very intuitive and the most useful accessory since the 
joystick.

good luck...  and remember; it's not a game
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It's not a simulation
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.
.
It's a totally unreasonable addiction! (MSFS is anyway - you'll spend a 
fortune of addons and love it).

"Sheldon England" <sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote in message 
news:46C4AB88.C3B2FE50@netscape.net...
> Sorry for the meaningless post. My news server seems to have dropped the
> flight sim group but sometimes I can follow a crossposted link to get it
> back into the feed. (I dislike Google's interface.)
>
> I just purchased MS Flight Sim X Gold and a joystick so I need to join
> in all the fun in the flight sim group. SP1 makes a HUGE difference on a
> dual core system!
>
> Carry on.  :)
>
>
>  - Sheldon 

Jay Williams wrote:
> 
> For MSFS I recommend alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim
> 
> This newsgroup is more oriented to combat-type flight simulators on a good
> day (and politics the rest of the time)

I am greatly obliged for the heads-up. I visited the flight sim group
yesterday and was surprised to see no MFSX posts at all.  :(

It was indeed mostly political nonsense posted by people not smart
enough to use the political forums where it is actually appropriate.
That way people who give a %$@# can go there and read it and people who
don't give a %$@# don't have to get any of that manure on them. Why are
intelligence and politics mutually exclusive?


> (kinda embarassing to say that having just succumbed to the trolling in the
> "Bitch" thread)

:)


> You'll love the guys in alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim... there never was a
> more helpful group of people.
> 
> As for joysticks, I use an old logitech wingman force for prop syms, and a
> Thrustmaster SWF setup for Falcon 4.0, Lomac (which I almost never play) and
> other jet sims.  Most folks around here us CH products, though, and seem to
> love them.  I highly recommend their pro pedals (with toe brakes).

A decade or more ago I had the F18A flight sim for the Mac with a killer
joystick. Loved that sim. I've since transitioned to the PC and see that
joysticks haven't changed much. The one I bought was the only one
available at Best Buy (Logitech Attack3) and it's okay but I woulda
liked a hat switch so I'll keep looking. Even this cheapo joystick makes
jet landings MUCH easier. I am considering pedals but not just yet.


> Also look into a TrackIr.  It enables you to shift the view by slight turns
> of the head.  Very intuitive and the most useful accessory since the
> joystick.

I was browsing through the MS site and read about some of those nifty
gadgets. How does track IR work? Does it attach to a headphone set?
Goggles?


> good luck...  and remember; it's not a game
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> It's not a simulation
> .
> .
> .
> .
> It's a totally unreasonable addiction! (MSFS is anyway - you'll spend a
> fortune of addons and love it).

Heh. Thanks very much. I can't believe how addictive it is so far!


  - Sheldon

Track IR tracks the motion of your head... There is a sending and receiving 
unit that sits on the monitor (actually, you can put it almost anywhere in 
front or behind and adjust the sofware accordingly)  Depending on which unit 
you get, you either have a small reflective dot that you place on a ball cap 
or similar, or else a small metallic set of three reflectors.  The sending 
unit sends an infrared signal which bounces off the dots and back to the 
receiving unit.  As you turn your head, the dots shift and the view on your 
screen shifts (the screen shifts more than your head moves... It's very easy 
to move your head and keep your eyes on the screen).  If you get teh better 
setup with the three reflectors, as you move forward or back, the view zooms 
in and out.  If you move (not turn) your head to the left, the viewpoint 
shifts to the left, etc.  You can actually look out the window and down at 
the ground, or look around the pedestal to see the runway better.  Again, 
because you're using your head in teh same movements you would use in real 
life (just to a lesser degree) it is very, very intuitive. I cannot 
recommend it strongly enough.
"Sheldon England" <sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote in message 
news:46C5DEDD.C23905B8@netscape.net...
> Jay Williams wrote:
>>
>> For MSFS I recommend alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim
>>
>> This newsgroup is more oriented to combat-type flight simulators on a 
>> good
>> day (and politics the rest of the time)
>
> I am greatly obliged for the heads-up. I visited the flight sim group
> yesterday and was surprised to see no MFSX posts at all.  :(
>
> It was indeed mostly political nonsense posted by people not smart
> enough to use the political forums where it is actually appropriate.
> That way people who give a %$@# can go there and read it and people who
> don't give a %$@# don't have to get any of that manure on them. Why are
> intelligence and politics mutually exclusive?
>
>
>> (kinda embarassing to say that having just succumbed to the trolling in 
>> the
>> "Bitch" thread)
>
> :)
>
>
>> You'll love the guys in alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim... there never was 
>> a
>> more helpful group of people.
>>
>> As for joysticks, I use an old logitech wingman force for prop syms, and 
>> a
>> Thrustmaster SWF setup for Falcon 4.0, Lomac (which I almost never play) 
>> and
>> other jet sims.  Most folks around here us CH products, though, and seem 
>> to
>> love them.  I highly recommend their pro pedals (with toe brakes).
>
> A decade or more ago I had the F18A flight sim for the Mac with a killer
> joystick. Loved that sim. I've since transitioned to the PC and see that
> joysticks haven't changed much. The one I bought was the only one
> available at Best Buy (Logitech Attack3) and it's okay but I woulda
> liked a hat switch so I'll keep looking. Even this cheapo joystick makes
> jet landings MUCH easier. I am considering pedals but not just yet.
>
>
>> Also look into a TrackIr.  It enables you to shift the view by slight 
>> turns
>> of the head.  Very intuitive and the most useful accessory since the
>> joystick.
>
> I was browsing through the MS site and read about some of those nifty
> gadgets. How does track IR work? Does it attach to a headphone set?
> Goggles?
>
>
>> good luck...  and remember; it's not a game
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> It's not a simulation
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> It's a totally unreasonable addiction! (MSFS is anyway - you'll spend a
>> fortune of addons and love it).
>
> Heh. Thanks very much. I can't believe how addictive it is so far!
>
>
>  - Sheldon