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Series is dead and gone. I doubt there will be any more movies made either.
But,never say never.

"Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 19:34:08 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet>
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>Why the hell did Wash die?! 

Because Joss Whedon hates us.

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> If you have the DVD, listen to the director's commentary. None of those
> characters are ever coming back. "Serenity" is a swan song for an 
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That's depressing. The series was fantastic, I was hoping that he made the 
movie to hopefully rekindle peoples appeties for it.

> Why Wash? Everyone else was worth something in a fight, 'cept Kaylee, and 
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> was the doctor's love interest. I actually found it rather contrived that 
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> was the one to die. He gets done landing the ship and then he dies because 
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> useless to the story. I think that's where most of the offense comes from, 
> that
> it felt like the character was used.

Harsh. Such is movie life however :)

Ceo- 

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
> On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:45 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
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>>It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
>>ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.
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> Yeah, damn bastard...I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, too.

I didn't. River is never going to die. At least not permanently. It'd
be like killing Buffy.


mcv.

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In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that it
ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
into space saying, "Well, here I am ..." 

In another way, I'm glad it stopped before it became a soap opera like
TNG and all the other 3000+ episode milk-the-hell-out-of-the-franchise
shows. Even the funniest joke loses its lustre after hearing it 300
times. Best to stop while the quality is still there.


  - Sheldon

On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:01:05 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
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>"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>> On Wed, 10 May 2006 19:34:08 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
>> wrote:
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>>>(any news on that? Is there going to be a season two?), did Wheadon not 
>>>like
>>>him? Ah man, what a bitch of a thing to do!
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>> LOL.
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>> If you have the DVD, listen to the director's commentary. None of those
>> characters are ever coming back. "Serenity" is a swan song for an 
>> excellent
>> series that the media establishement failed to understand or appreciate. 
>> So in
>> effect, they were all dead from the very first frame.
>
>That's depressing. The series was fantastic, I was hoping that he made the 
>movie to hopefully rekindle peoples appeties for it.
>
>> Why Wash? Everyone else was worth something in a fight, 'cept Kaylee, and 
>> she
>> was the doctor's love interest. I actually found it rather contrived that 
>> Wash
>> was the one to die. He gets done landing the ship and then he dies because 
>> he's
>> useless to the story. I think that's where most of the offense comes from, 
>> that
>> it felt like the character was used.
>
>Harsh. Such is movie life however :)
>
Yeah. I have a script pitch in my head. It's an action movie where you have
basically "Stars" and an unknown, a "Red Shirt," and in every scene, star after
star gets killed until you have no idea who's going to die.

Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.

In the last scene, the red shirt is accompanied by another comparitive unknown,
and then the original red shirt gets it because it turns out he's now the Star.

Working title: "Murdering the Star System," a comedy.


--
Zag

I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk

mcv <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:45 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
>> wrote:
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>>>It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
>>>ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.
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>> Yeah, damn bastard...I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, too.
>
>I didn't. River is never going to die. At least not permanently. It'd
>be like killing Buffy.

Um, hasn't Buffy died at least twice in her series?

The parallel between River and Buffy doesn't fit though - Buffy is the
core of her show, River is a supporting cast member.

Buffy had to be brought back for the show to continue, River did not
have to survive the movie since there isn't likely to be any more
Firefly in any form,  and he'd already killed two of the cast off.

It could easily have ended up with Mal sending out the wave, then making
it back to the others just in time for the Reavers to break in and kill
them all.

Be a downer for sure, but when the writer/director *KNOWS* there isn't
going to be any more there's no _need_ to keep the cast alive.

Xocyll
-- 
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

"Xocyll" <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote in message
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> mcv <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
> >In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
> >> On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:45 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
> >>>ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.
> >>
> >> Yeah, damn bastard...I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, too.
> >
> >I didn't. River is never going to die. At least not permanently. It'd
> >be like killing Buffy.
>
> Um, hasn't Buffy died at least twice in her series?
>
> The parallel between River and Buffy doesn't fit though - Buffy is the
> core of her show, River is a supporting cast member.
>
> Buffy had to be brought back for the show to continue, River did not
> have to survive the movie since there isn't likely to be any more
> Firefly in any form,  and he'd already killed two of the cast off.
>
> It could easily have ended up with Mal sending out the wave, then making
> it back to the others just in time for the Reavers to break in and kill
> them all.
>
> Be a downer for sure, but when the writer/director *KNOWS* there isn't
> going to be any more there's no _need_ to keep the cast alive.

You mean like the end of Angel [grin]?

Buffy had a good ending, or at least one that fit the series.  Angel's was
kind of a let down.  Then again, I never forgave him for what he did to
Fred, so that could be it [grin].

For other Whedon fans, he was writing the Astonishing X-Men comic for a
while (he might still be doing it, but they messed around with their books
for a while and so he might be gone).  Basically, it was a continuation of
Angel with X-Men characters.

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote:
> mcv <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:45 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
>>>>ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, damn bastard...I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, too.
>>
>>I didn't. River is never going to die. At least not permanently. It'd
>>be like killing Buffy.
> 
> Um, hasn't Buffy died at least twice in her series?

Yeah, but not permanently.


mcv.

"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:01:05 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
>
>>Harsh. Such is movie life however :)
>>
> Yeah. I have a script pitch in my head. It's an action movie where you 
> have
> basically "Stars" and an unknown, a "Red Shirt," and in every scene, star 
> after
> star gets killed until you have no idea who's going to die.
>
> Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.

As long as Arnie is ok, I'll cope! ;)

Ceo- 

"Allan C Cybulskie" <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> looked up from reading
the entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the
signs say:

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>"Xocyll" <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote in message
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>> mcv <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
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>> >In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:45 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
>> >>>ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, damn bastard...I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, too.
>> >
>> >I didn't. River is never going to die. At least not permanently. It'd
>> >be like killing Buffy.
>>
>> Um, hasn't Buffy died at least twice in her series?
>>
>> The parallel between River and Buffy doesn't fit though - Buffy is the
>> core of her show, River is a supporting cast member.
>>
>> Buffy had to be brought back for the show to continue, River did not
>> have to survive the movie since there isn't likely to be any more
>> Firefly in any form,  and he'd already killed two of the cast off.
>>
>> It could easily have ended up with Mal sending out the wave, then making
>> it back to the others just in time for the Reavers to break in and kill
>> them all.
>>
>> Be a downer for sure, but when the writer/director *KNOWS* there isn't
>> going to be any more there's no _need_ to keep the cast alive.
>
>You mean like the end of Angel [grin]?

Dunno, never saw it - no TV remember.

>Buffy had a good ending, or at least one that fit the series.  Angel's was
>kind of a let down.  Then again, I never forgave him for what he did to
>Fred, so that could be it [grin].

I saw some of it at friends places, but I haven't seen the ending of
Angel or Buffy - heck i'd only seen up to part way through the 6th
season and i didn't think i'd seen any (thought Once More With Feeling
was a 5th season thing.)

>For other Whedon fans, he was writing the Astonishing X-Men comic for a
>while (he might still be doing it, but they messed around with their books
>for a while and so he might be gone).  Basically, it was a continuation of
>Angel with X-Men characters.

Hmm, dunno if i'd get into that at all.

Xocyll
-- 
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

mcv <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote:
>> mcv <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:45 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
>>>>>ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, damn bastard...I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, too.
>>>
>>>I didn't. River is never going to die. At least not permanently. It'd
>>>be like killing Buffy.
>> 
>> Um, hasn't Buffy died at least twice in her series?
>
>Yeah, but not permanently.

On the other hand a major supporting cast member (Buffy's Mother) did
die permanently - and I'd put River and her on about the same level of
cast importance.

Heck they could lose the Shepherd, Simon and River and still have a show
since the _crew_ would all still be there.

Xocyll
-- 
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 11 May 2006 08:46:10 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
> gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:45 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>It also made you pretty sure that River was going to die too when she
>>>ran out, tossed the med pack in and sealed the door.
>>
>>Yeah, damn bastard...I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, too.
>
> I didn't. He has an obsession for teenage girls that kick ass that's 
> probably
> going to land him in prison some day.

Except that he's gay, which you can't even go to jail for in Texas anymore. 

On Sat, 13 May 2006 11:01:17 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
wrote: 

>"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:01:05 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
>>
>>>Harsh. Such is movie life however :)
>>>
>> Yeah. I have a script pitch in my head. It's an action movie where you 
>> have
>> basically "Stars" and an unknown, a "Red Shirt," and in every scene, star 
>> after
>> star gets killed until you have no idea who's going to die.
>>
>> Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.
>
>As long as Arnie is ok, I'll cope! ;)
>
Arnie Dies, Lee comes back from the dead and DIES, Terry Bradshaw dies, Burt
Reynolds dies....


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Zag

I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk

"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 13 May 2006 11:01:17 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf

>>> Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.
>>
>>As long as Arnie is ok, I'll cope! ;)
>>
> Arnie Dies, Lee comes back from the dead and DIES, Terry Bradshaw dies, 
> Burt
> Reynolds dies....

Brutal... still, I can definitely spot the silver lining of that cloud! :)

Ceo-

On Sun, 14 May 2006 10:19:33 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
wrote: 

>"Zaghadka" <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:bi3d6290i599nqph4k1rhkdbd74b7q5ahi@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 May 2006 11:01:17 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
>
>>>> Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.
>>>
>>>As long as Arnie is ok, I'll cope! ;)
>>>
>> Arnie Dies, Lee comes back from the dead and DIES, Terry Bradshaw dies, 
>> Burt
>> Reynolds dies....
>
>Brutal... still, I can definitely spot the silver lining of that cloud! :)
>
>Ceo-
>
>
Heh. I've got a better working title, "No More Superheroes."

Just to piss off Marvel/DC.


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I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk

On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:01 -0400, "Allan C Cybulskie"
<allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>You mean like the end of Angel [grin]?
>
>Buffy had a good ending, or at least one that fit the series.  Angel's was
>kind of a let down.  Then again, I never forgave him for what he did to
>Fred, so that could be it [grin].

You can't blame Joss for the end of Angel. He had all of these
wonderful intricate story arcs going & then the network told him,
"Uhhh? Joss? We're cancelling your show in three weeks. Deal with it."

He then had to race to get every storyline tied up quick and dirty. He
had to cram half a season into just a couple episodes. No wonder it
looked like ass. The network set forth an impossible task.

On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
<sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:

>In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that it
>ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
>episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
>into space saying, "Well, here I am ..." 

When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
gearing up for the film release.

>In another way, I'm glad it stopped before it became a soap opera like
>TNG and all the other 3000+ episode milk-the-hell-out-of-the-franchise
>shows. Even the funniest joke loses its lustre after hearing it 300
>times. Best to stop while the quality is still there.

Agreed...how many times do the friggin' holodecks have to malfunction
and kill 30 people before Starflleet outlaws the technology? Oh,
wait...if they did that ST:TNG would have lost 25% of their episode
material.

On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:38:26 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:


>Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.
>
>In the last scene, the red shirt is accompanied by another comparitive unknown,
>and then the original red shirt gets it because it turns out he's now the Star.
>
>Working title: "Murdering the Star System," a comedy.

If you can guarantee that death order then I'm sure there'll be lots
of people who'd pay to see this movie.

Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> writes:

> I don't want my teenage daughter identifying with those characters. The girls
> may *enjoy* believing that you can get by on "spunk" in violent combat, but the
> reality of what would actually happen gives parents pause.

What has spunk got to do with it? 

Quoth The Raven; gray.wizard@moria.mines <gray.wizard@moria.mines> in
<he7h621dbri7oip0bd3c1fgsrg5es8ub35@4ax.com>
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
> <sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that
>>it ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
>>episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
>>into space saying, "Well, here I am ..."
>
> When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
> publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
> gearing up for the film release.
>
>>In another way, I'm glad it stopped before it became a soap opera like
>>TNG and all the other 3000+ episode milk-the-hell-out-of-the-franchise
>>shows. Even the funniest joke loses its lustre after hearing it 300
>>times. Best to stop while the quality is still there.
>
> Agreed...how many times do the friggin' holodecks have to malfunction
> and kill 30 people before Starflleet outlaws the technology? Oh,
> wait...if they did that ST:TNG would have lost 25% of their episode
> material.

and 90% of Voyager eps

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> him? Ah man, what a bitch of a thing to do!
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> Ceo- 

I had read (can't remember now) that all of the cast, except the Captain 
for the time being, had signed on for another movie. I read this before 
I saw the movie and then he was killed! Hummm?


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In article <247h621cln2bifqd2a2acat82nlntj9f3a@4ax.com>, 
gray.wizard@moria.mines says...
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:01 -0400, "Allan C Cybulskie"
> <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> >You mean like the end of Angel [grin]?
> >
> >Buffy had a good ending, or at least one that fit the series.  Angel's was
> >kind of a let down.  Then again, I never forgave him for what he did to
> >Fred, so that could be it [grin].
> 
> You can't blame Joss for the end of Angel. He had all of these
> wonderful intricate story arcs going & then the network told him,
> "Uhhh? Joss? We're cancelling your show in three weeks. Deal with it."
> 
> He then had to race to get every storyline tied up quick and dirty. He
> had to cram half a season into just a couple episodes. No wonder it
> looked like ass. The network set forth an impossible task.

A quick search finds: "Series creator Joss Whedon has been given notice 
that the remaining eight episodes of the show will be the last 
produced".  

But eight or three, the last series had 'please kill me' written all 
over it. 

- Gerry Quinn

gray.wizard@moria.mines looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
><sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that it
>>ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
>>episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
>>into space saying, "Well, here I am ..." 
>
>When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
>publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
>gearing up for the film release.
>
>>In another way, I'm glad it stopped before it became a soap opera like
>>TNG and all the other 3000+ episode milk-the-hell-out-of-the-franchise
>>shows. Even the funniest joke loses its lustre after hearing it 300
>>times. Best to stop while the quality is still there.
>
>Agreed...how many times do the friggin' holodecks have to malfunction
>and kill 30 people before Starflleet outlaws the technology? Oh,
>wait...if they did that ST:TNG would have lost 25% of their episode
>material.

I've always wondered about the exploding consoles every time they get in
a fight.

And just how many times did the "starboard power coupling" go kablooie?

You'd think they'd get some new designers after a few decades of that,
but nooo, they keep on hiring the same "exploding workstations are fun!"
contractors.

Xocyll
-- 
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

"Xocyll" <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote in message 
news:rpej62t3oj92ts29bfrs3c1b9duh9ss3ck@4ax.com...
> gray.wizard@moria.mines looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>>On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
>><sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that it
>>>ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
>>>episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
>>>into space saying, "Well, here I am ..."
>>
>>When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
>>publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
>>gearing up for the film release.
>>
>>>In another way, I'm glad it stopped before it became a soap opera like
>>>TNG and all the other 3000+ episode milk-the-hell-out-of-the-franchise
>>>shows. Even the funniest joke loses its lustre after hearing it 300
>>>times. Best to stop while the quality is still there.
>>
>>Agreed...how many times do the friggin' holodecks have to malfunction
>>and kill 30 people before Starflleet outlaws the technology? Oh,
>>wait...if they did that ST:TNG would have lost 25% of their episode
>>material.
>
> I've always wondered about the exploding consoles every time they get in
> a fight.
>
> And just how many times did the "starboard power coupling" go kablooie?
>
> You'd think they'd get some new designers after a few decades of that,
> but nooo, they keep on hiring the same "exploding workstations are fun!"
> contractors.
>

Bring back Enterprise I say.  The other series got too comfortable in the 
Trekkieverse whereas all those things the writers of the later series 
depended on hadn't happened yet and the crew were free to interfere with 
other races and make all the cock-ups you might expect.  I think it made for 
much better storylines.

On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:28:34 +0100, "Shawk"
<shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote:


>Bring back Enterprise I say.  The other series got too comfortable in the 
>Trekkieverse whereas all those things the writers of the later series 

There's another example of a TV series that was given very short
notice of cancellation & all the storylines had to be wrapped up
super-quick.

What's sad is that I feel that Enterprise really started to find its
groove right before it got cancelled. They could have done so much
more with the series.

Zaghadka wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:01:05 +0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Ceowulf
> wrote:

> Yeah. I have a script pitch in my head. It's an action movie where you have
> basically "Stars" and an unknown, a "Red Shirt," and in every scene, star after
> star gets killed until you have no idea who's going to die.
>
> Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.
>
> In the last scene, the red shirt is accompanied by another comparitive unknown,
> and then the original red shirt gets it because it turns out he's now the Star.
>
> Working title: "Murdering the Star System," a comedy.
>

Celebrity Death Match - The Movie ;)

I miss that show...

- Justisaur

gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote:
> 
> When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
> publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
> gearing up for the film release.

I agree. I'm typically a non-TV watcher except as very late night
brainless material when I'm too tired to use the computer. Every week I
look at the new TV guide and every week I put it back down and shake my
head. I'm not a Buffy nor Angel fan (not seen either of these except
when clicking along the channels) so this was my first experience of a
Joss script. 

One night while watching a Simpsons re-run there was a commercial
announcing the new Firefly series and it looked interesting, a bit
darker than the usual fare, so I made a point of catching episodes 3 and
4 (dunno why they didn't start with #1) and it was good. My wife got all
excited because I finally found a show worth watching. 

Then the network canceled it. 

After eight months of asking my local DVD store to order it in I finally
gave up and ... uh ... obtained the series else wise. (Nothing to see
here, move along, move along ...) My wife later found the DVD and it
became a birthday gift. 

I couldn't believe the network wouldn't try more than two episodes, that
it was so hard to obtain legitimately, and almost nobody knows about it.
Even diehard Buffy fans I know knew nothing about it. It's like some
sort of Alliance conspiracy.   ;)

I honestly don't get it ... but I'm glad I've seen it.


  - Sheldon

>
> I couldn't believe the network wouldn't try more than two episodes, that
> it was so hard to obtain legitimately, and almost nobody knows about it.
> Even diehard Buffy fans I know knew nothing about it. It's like some
> sort of Alliance conspiracy.   ;)
>
FOX actually showed 11 of the 14 episodes.

Jason

On Mon, 15 May 2006 18:09:17 +0200, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Walter Mitty
wrote: 

>Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> I don't want my teenage daughter identifying with those characters. The girls
>> may *enjoy* believing that you can get by on "spunk" in violent combat, but the
>> reality of what would actually happen gives parents pause.
>
>What has spunk got to do with it? 

Are you misquoting Tina Turner?


--
Zag

I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk

On Tue, 16 May 2006 11:20:12 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Gerry Quinn
wrote: 

>In article <247h621cln2bifqd2a2acat82nlntj9f3a@4ax.com>, 
>gray.wizard@moria.mines says...
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:01 -0400, "Allan C Cybulskie"
>> <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> >You mean like the end of Angel [grin]?
>> >
>> >Buffy had a good ending, or at least one that fit the series.  Angel's was
>> >kind of a let down.  Then again, I never forgave him for what he did to
>> >Fred, so that could be it [grin].
>> 
>> You can't blame Joss for the end of Angel. He had all of these
>> wonderful intricate story arcs going & then the network told him,
>> "Uhhh? Joss? We're cancelling your show in three weeks. Deal with it."
>> 
>> He then had to race to get every storyline tied up quick and dirty. He
>> had to cram half a season into just a couple episodes. No wonder it
>> looked like ass. The network set forth an impossible task.
>
>A quick search finds: "Series creator Joss Whedon has been given notice 
>that the remaining eight episodes of the show will be the last 
>produced".  
>
>But eight or three, the last series had 'please kill me' written all 
>over it. 
>
I don't often agree with you, but AMEN.


--
Zag

I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk

On Mon, 15 May 2006 10:33:18 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote: 

>On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:38:26 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Cruise dies, Van Damme dies, Stallone dies, on and on it goes.
>>
>>In the last scene, the red shirt is accompanied by another comparitive unknown,
>>and then the original red shirt gets it because it turns out he's now the Star.
>>
>>Working title: "Murdering the Star System," a comedy.
>
>If you can guarantee that death order then I'm sure there'll be lots
>of people who'd pay to see this movie.

Do you know what's involved in pitching a film? ;^)


--
Zag

I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk

Zaghadka wrote:
>> A quick search finds: "Series creator Joss Whedon has been given
>> notice that the remaining eight episodes of the show will be the last
>> produced".
>>
>> But eight or three, the last series had 'please kill me' written all
>> over it.
>>
> I don't often agree with you, but AMEN.

It'd be hard to find a bigger fan than my wife was, and even she didn't 
complain much after finally managing to get her rose covereds unglued from 
her face there toward the end.

-- 
chainbreaker 

On Thu, 18 May 2006 10:07:53 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, Xocyll wrote:
>Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
>the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>>On Mon, 15 May 2006 10:10:08 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
>>gray.wizard@moria.mines wrote: 
>>
>>>On Sat, 13 May 2006 20:53:52 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't want my teenage daughter identifying with those characters. The girls
>>>>may *enjoy* believing that you can get by on "spunk" in violent combat, but the
>>>>reality of what would actually happen gives parents pause.
>>>
>>>Actually, they don't portray the idea that the heroine gets by on
>>>"spunk". To reference the heroines you mention...Buffy was put through
>>>rigorous training by Giles. River was put through brainwashing and
>>>super-secret military combat training & survival. Aeon Flux was a
>>>top-secret operative also with miltary trainig. Dark Angel as well.
>>>The Alias chick had CIA training.
>>
>>Yes, but in combat you can't be an anorexic and do squat. They don't have the
>>physics on their side, thus they get by on "spunk."
>>
>>Somehow we're supposed to believe their a bad-ass invincible battle machine
>>that only eats one green salad a day. Not a good role model in my book.
>>
>>
>>> Every single one of these heroines
>>>only reinforce the idea that if you are going to want to be able to
>>>stand up and defend yourself it's going to take training, hard work,
>>>and dedication. There's worse things for a young girl to learn than
>>>hard work equals results.
>>>
>>I respectfully disagree. The focus is on the kung-fu, and not the training. The
>>original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie made it very clear Buffy was magical
>>and could even catch a knife thrown at her without training. I don't remember
>>any scene in Buffy TV that indicated that she was getting by on sorcery alone.
>>That's why I loved the movie and disliked the show.
>
>There weren't any scenes in the movie showing that either.
>She WAS trained by Sutherland's character, just as the TV Buffy gets
>trained by Giles. [Chapter 13: Basic Training]
>
>Fast Reflexes don't have to be magical, nor are they enough to do combat
>with.
>"It's all in the reflexes." - Jack Burton.
>
>
>Both Movie and TV Buffy have the same "magical stuff" - extra strength
>and fast healing.
>
>>I also didn't like that they took out the cramps... ;^)
>
>Don't think would have gone over too well on Prime Time TV.
>
And that's *exactly* why it should have STAYED.

America needs to grow the f! up.

--
Zag

I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk

<gray.wizard@moria.mines> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:01 -0400, "Allan C Cybulskie"
> <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >You mean like the end of Angel [grin]?
> >
> >Buffy had a good ending, or at least one that fit the series.  Angel's
was
> >kind of a let down.  Then again, I never forgave him for what he did to
> >Fred, so that could be it [grin].
>
> You can't blame Joss for the end of Angel. He had all of these
> wonderful intricate story arcs going & then the network told him,
> "Uhhh? Joss? We're cancelling your show in three weeks. Deal with it."
>
> He then had to race to get every storyline tied up quick and dirty. He
> had to cram half a season into just a couple episodes. No wonder it
> looked like ass. The network set forth an impossible task.

I didn't mind the rush job.  What I minded was the ending of "Well, we're
all going to go down fighting."  I think he was trying to make a point, but
when he tries to make a point he loses sight of "entertainment" [grin].

<gray.wizard@moria.mines> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
> <sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that it
> >ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
> >episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
> >into space saying, "Well, here I am ..."
>
> When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
> publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
> gearing up for the film release.

I had heard about it but it didn't sound interesting to me, being "cowboys
in space".

"ATCSMike" <final@frontier.com> wrote in message
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> I had read (can't remember now) that all of the cast, except the Captain
> for the time being, had signed on for another movie. I read this before
> I saw the movie and then he was killed! Hummm?

For most of the movie, I thought that Inara would only appear in flashbacks,
so that might be what the plan was ...

"Shawk" <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in message
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>
> "Xocyll" <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote in message
> news:rpej62t3oj92ts29bfrs3c1b9duh9ss3ck@4ax.com...

> > And just how many times did the "starboard power coupling" go kablooie?
> >
> > You'd think they'd get some new designers after a few decades of that,
> > but nooo, they keep on hiring the same "exploding workstations are fun!"
> > contractors.
> >
>
> Bring back Enterprise I say.  The other series got too comfortable in the
> Trekkieverse whereas all those things the writers of the later series
> depended on hadn't happened yet and the crew were free to interfere with
> other races and make all the cock-ups you might expect.  I think it made
for
> much better storylines.

I didn't like Enterprise, partly because it didn't seem to fit with the
other series and later partly because in order to build tension they added
that whole "time travel" crap so that we wouldn't know how it would end.

Prequels are VERY hard to do, and they weren't up to the task.

On Sun, 21 May 2006 10:02:53 -0400, "Allan C Cybulskie"
<allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>I didn't like Enterprise, partly because it didn't seem to fit with the
>other series and later partly because in order to build tension they added
>that whole "time travel" crap so that we wouldn't know how it would end.

The way I understand it the time travel crap was dropped in after the
wrod came down that the series was not going to be back next season so
the time travel thing was a plot device so they could work in their
favorite plotlines they had planed for later seasons.

They made a lot of compromises and did some outlandish so they could
try to work in everything they wanted in the time allowed. It sucked.

If they'd had the writers they ended the series with instead of the
lackluster team they start the series with they may have been off to a
more solid start. The first couple seasons drove off a lot of people
with the high suck factor of it all.

>Prequels are VERY hard to do, and they weren't up to the task.

No, they weren't and they can't blame it on the material or setting,
either. They had a rich fabric of raw material to draw from and they
coudl have really made something special that could have re-ignited
the Star Trek franchise. Instead we got poo. On a stick.

Allan C Cybulskie wrote:
> <gray.wizard@moria.mines> wrote in message
> news:he7h621dbri7oip0bd3c1fgsrg5es8ub35@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
> > <sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that it
> > >ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
> > >episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
> > >into space saying, "Well, here I am ..."
> >
> > When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
> > publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
> > gearing up for the film release.
>
> I had heard about it but it didn't sound interesting to me, being "cowboys
> in space".

Heh, funny.  You know Star Trek was pitched that way as well?

- Justisaur

<gray.wizard@moria.mines> wrote in message
news:i3i37298c0lleesuc6j6p074fi204dgqnt@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 10:02:53 -0400, "Allan C Cybulskie"
> <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >I didn't like Enterprise, partly because it didn't seem to fit with the
> >other series and later partly because in order to build tension they
added
> >that whole "time travel" crap so that we wouldn't know how it would end.
>
> The way I understand it the time travel crap was dropped in after the
> wrod came down that the series was not going to be back next season so
> the time travel thing was a plot device so they could work in their
> favorite plotlines they had planed for later seasons.

I thought it came in at the end of the second season.  I never watched the
show much, but I did catch one of the season finales that introduced it, and
it really did strike me as being introduced to add some suspense into the
show.  But since I didn't watch it, I can't really say.

"Justisaur" <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Allan C Cybulskie wrote:
> > <gray.wizard@moria.mines> wrote in message
> > news:he7h621dbri7oip0bd3c1fgsrg5es8ub35@4ax.com...
> > > On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
> > > <sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that
it
> > > >ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
> > > >episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
> > > >into space saying, "Well, here I am ..."
> > >
> > > When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
> > > publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
> > > gearing up for the film release.
> >
> > I had heard about it but it didn't sound interesting to me, being
"cowboys
> > in space".
>
> Heh, funny.  You know Star Trek was pitched that way as well?

And I probably wouldn't have watched IT either if that was all I knew about
it [grin].

"Allan C Cybulskie" <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote in message 
news:YRCdg.2105$ho5.168350@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> <gray.wizard@moria.mines> wrote in message
> news:i3i37298c0lleesuc6j6p074fi204dgqnt@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 May 2006 10:02:53 -0400, "Allan C Cybulskie"
>> <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >I didn't like Enterprise, partly because it didn't seem to fit with the
>> >other series and later partly because in order to build tension they
> added
>> >that whole "time travel" crap so that we wouldn't know how it would end.
>>
>> The way I understand it the time travel crap was dropped in after the
>> wrod came down that the series was not going to be back next season so
>> the time travel thing was a plot device so they could work in their
>> favorite plotlines they had planed for later seasons.
>
> I thought it came in at the end of the second season.  I never watched the
> show much, but I did catch one of the season finales that introduced it, 
> and
> it really did strike me as being introduced to add some suspense into the
> show.  But since I didn't watch it, I can't really say.

I probably need to watch it again but from memory I thought it was added for 
suspense AND to show the history of the reason for the prime directive.

What I liked about Enterprise was their attempt to show where all those 
Federation rules we've accepted since we were kids originated and why.  I 
liked that the characters weren't the perfect Picard types.  I liked that 
they didnt try to say 'and then the Vulcans found us and everybody lived 
happily ever after'.  The tension with the (surpisingly less than perfect) 
Vulcans was a great.  The cock-ups were great.  The 'racism' against all 
these new species now coming to Earth was believable.  The somewhat reckless 
actions of the earthmen, their desires for revenge, their thirst for 
pioneering exploration, their disregard for the Vulcans rules etc all showed 
a more believable (for me) aspect to the goody-goody folk of Earth that 
supposedly followed.  They could have done a lot more with the show.  It 
improved every season.


 

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Allan C Cybulskie <allan.c.cybulskie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> <gray.wizard@moria.mines> wrote in message
> news:he7h621dbri7oip0bd3c1fgsrg5es8ub35@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 18:20:39 GMT, Sheldon England
>> <sheldonengland@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In a way, I'm with you. I very much enjoyed the show and was sad that it
>> >ended so soon. Especially with the lingering "unfinished business"
>> >episode that closed the series where that bounty hunter drifted away
>> >into space saying, "Well, here I am ..."
>>
>> When the show originally aired it must have gotten near-zero
>> publicity. I never knew the show existed until SciFi aired the reruns
>> gearing up for the film release.
> 
> I had heard about it but it didn't sound interesting to me, being "cowboys
> in space".

I heard it pitched as "Joss Whedon does SF. With spaceships." That worked
quite well with me.


mcv.