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"FuNkYY" <notsomuch@ok.com> wrote in message 
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> Can anyody post a working eve online mining macro? cyberminer or
> max-cote?
>
> thanks!!!


The use of macro programs in EVE-Online is not allowed and against the eula 
as well. Its considered cheating. If caught it lead to ban of your account. 
So please.. die already.... 

I would recommend Journal Macro or AIM Keys as a macro making program, it's 
easy to make simple macro's to drag and drop from cargo hold to open can.

Personally I dont have a problem with something like that, as it still 
requires your attention, just means you can watch a video or read a book 
while looking at screen every now and then.

"Erland Andreassen" <wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> wrote in message 
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>
> "FuNkYY" <notsomuch@ok.com> wrote in message 
> news:4oydnZTWi_87e-7eRVnytw@giganews.com...
>> Can anyody post a working eve online mining macro? cyberminer or
>> max-cote?
>>
>> thanks!!!
>
>
> The use of macro programs in EVE-Online is not allowed and against the 
> eula as well. Its considered cheating. If caught it lead to ban of your 
> account. So please.. die already....
> 

OK, just tell us which system and belt you will be in, and I'll pop 
round and remove you and your cans while you are reading your book. Or 
just let us know your in-game handle and we'll get you banned. As the 
previous poster says, macros are against the rules. If you don't like 
that, find another game.

In message <UNjdf.8218$mF5.1729@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Hamo 
<fake@email.com> writes
>I would recommend Journal Macro or AIM Keys as a macro making program, it's
>easy to make simple macro's to drag and drop from cargo hold to open can.
>
>Personally I dont have a problem with something like that, as it still
>requires your attention, just means you can watch a video or read a book
>while looking at screen every now and then.
>
>"Erland Andreassen" <wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> wrote in message
>news:43740846$0$81679$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> "FuNkYY" <notsomuch@ok.com> wrote in message
>> news:4oydnZTWi_87e-7eRVnytw@giganews.com...
>>> Can anyody post a working eve online mining macro? cyberminer or
>>> max-cote?
>>>
>>> thanks!!!
>>
>>
>> The use of macro programs in EVE-Online is not allowed and against the
>> eula as well. Its considered cheating. If caught it lead to ban of your
>> account. So please.. die already....
>>
>
>

-- 
John Secker

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:18:08 +0000, John Secker <john@secker.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <UNjdf.8218$mF5.1729@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Hamo 
><fake@email.com> writes
>>I would recommend Journal Macro or AIM Keys as a macro making program, it's
>>easy to make simple macro's to drag and drop from cargo hold to open can.
>>
>>Personally I dont have a problem with something like that, as it still
>>requires your attention, just means you can watch a video or read a book
>>while looking at screen every now and then.
>>
>>"Erland Andreassen" <wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> wrote in message
>>news:43740846$0$81679$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>>
>>> "FuNkYY" <notsomuch@ok.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4oydnZTWi_87e-7eRVnytw@giganews.com...
>>>> Can anyody post a working eve online mining macro? cyberminer or
>>>> max-cote?
>>>>
>>>> thanks!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> The use of macro programs in EVE-Online is not allowed and against the
>>> eula as well. Its considered cheating. If caught it lead to ban of your
>>> account. So please.. die already....
>
>OK, just tell us which system and belt you will be in, and I'll pop 
>round and remove you and your cans while you are reading your book. Or 
>just let us know your in-game handle and we'll get you banned. As the 
>previous poster says, macros are against the rules. If you don't like 
>that, find another game.

Can't the developers do anything to stop them? Surely they can't be relying on
people like you to police the game in how it should and shouldn't be played.

Whine.

If you want to pop some macro miners, why dont you find one of the bands of 
5+ macro miners that CCP refuses to ban? You know, the ones that have fully 
automated operations that have 4+ miners and 1 account running an indy back 
and forth, all automatically.


Some guy having a simple macro to drag and drop from cargo hold to can, just 
so he doesnt have to tab out of his movie every 2 mins isnt going to change 
anything, the same amount of minerals is being mined.

Next time you want to whine/whinge/moan/rant, find a better topic.

PS: EULA says they can delete your characters for no reason whatsoever, why 
dont you petition them to do just that.
"John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:MNN18dBgmfdDFwvR@secker.demon.co.uk...
> OK, just tell us which system and belt you will be in, and I'll pop round 
> and remove you and your cans while you are reading your book. Or just let 
> us know your in-game handle and we'll get you banned. As the previous 
> poster says, macros are against the rules. If you don't like that, find 
> another game.
>
> In message <UNjdf.8218$mF5.1729@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Hamo 
> <fake@email.com> writes
>>I would recommend Journal Macro or AIM Keys as a macro making program, 
>>it's
>>easy to make simple macro's to drag and drop from cargo hold to open can.
>>
>>Personally I dont have a problem with something like that, as it still
>>requires your attention, just means you can watch a video or read a book
>>while looking at screen every now and then.
>>
>>"Erland Andreassen" <wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> wrote in message
>>news:43740846$0$81679$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>>
>>> "FuNkYY" <notsomuch@ok.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4oydnZTWi_87e-7eRVnytw@giganews.com...
>>>> Can anyody post a working eve online mining macro? cyberminer or
>>>> max-cote?
>>>>
>>>> thanks!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> The use of macro programs in EVE-Online is not allowed and against the
>>> eula as well. Its considered cheating. If caught it lead to ban of your
>>> account. So please.. die already....
>>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> John Secker 

In message <Pbsdf.16902$Ua6.564@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Hamo 
<fake@email.com> writes
>Whine.
>
>If you want to pop some macro miners, why dont you find one of the bands of
>5+ macro miners that CCP refuses to ban? You know, the ones that have fully
>automated operations that have 4+ miners and 1 account running an indy back
>and forth, all automatically.
>
>
>Some guy having a simple macro to drag and drop from cargo hold to can, just
>so he doesnt have to tab out of his movie every 2 mins isnt going to change
>anything, the same amount of minerals is being mined.
>
>Next time you want to whine/whinge/moan/rant, find a better topic.
>
If you can't play to the rules, don't whine when you are criticised.
-- 
John Secker

In message <ff3cn1l8tk6fkbc7c89fog61ntiq1j95as@4ax.com>, Memnoch 
<memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> writes
>On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:18:08 +0000, John Secker <john@secker.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>>> The use of macro programs in EVE-Online is not allowed and against the
>>>> eula as well. Its considered cheating. If caught it lead to ban of your
>>>> account. So please.. die already....
>>
>>OK, just tell us which system and belt you will be in, and I'll pop
>>round and remove you and your cans while you are reading your book. Or
>>just let us know your in-game handle and we'll get you banned. As the
>>previous poster says, macros are against the rules. If you don't like
>>that, find another game.
>
>Can't the developers do anything to stop them? Surely they can't be relying on
>people like you to police the game in how it should and shouldn't be played.
The devs do catch and expel some of them, but not all. They had a push 
on macro miners a while back.
-- 
John Secker

> Can't the developers do anything to stop them? Surely they can't be 
> relying on
> people like you to police the game in how it should and shouldn't be 
> played.

They do, they just wait and ban a whole bunch at same time. They gather up, 
kind of like rounding up sheeps. 

> If you want to pop some macro miners, why dont you find one of the bands 
> of
> 5+ macro miners that CCP refuses to ban? You know, the ones that have 
> fully automated operations that have 4+ miners and 1 account running an 
> indy back and forth, all automatically.

A macro miner is a macro miner.


> Some guy having a simple macro to drag and drop from cargo hold to can, 
> just so he doesnt have to tab out of his movie every 2 mins isnt going to 
> change anything, the same amount of minerals is being mined.

Its still cheating and against the rules of the game. If you can't accept 
the rules find another game to play. "Oh can't watch my movie, cry cry... " 
is that supposed to be a excuse for cheating? doh!

> Next time you want to whine/whinge/moan/rant, find a better topic.

The only one here whine is you when people point out what you are doing is 
cheating and breaking the rules of the game. sad little twerp. 

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:38:56 +0100, "Erland Andreassen"
<wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> wrote:

>
>> If you want to pop some macro miners, why dont you find one of the bands 
>> of
>> 5+ macro miners that CCP refuses to ban? You know, the ones that have 
>> fully automated operations that have 4+ miners and 1 account running an 
>> indy back and forth, all automatically.
>
>A macro miner is a macro miner.
>
>
>> Some guy having a simple macro to drag and drop from cargo hold to can, 
>> just so he doesnt have to tab out of his movie every 2 mins isnt going to 
>> change anything, the same amount of minerals is being mined.
>
>Its still cheating and against the rules of the game. If you can't accept 
>the rules find another game to play. "Oh can't watch my movie, cry cry... " 
>is that supposed to be a excuse for cheating? doh!
>
>> Next time you want to whine/whinge/moan/rant, find a better topic.
>
>The only one here whine is you when people point out what you are doing is 
>cheating and breaking the rules of the game. sad little twerp. 

I don't really see it as cheating, more of an exploit. Okay, put it this way.
They obviously know its a tiring, boring part of the game so that's why they
clamp down on macro miners trying to make it easier. How about if I paid my
next door neighbours kid to sit there and do it for me after I have shown him
what to do? I then go out and enjoy myself while he slaves away. What's the
difference?

"John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:3567BQF8eqdDFw6I@secker.demon.co.uk...
> In message <Pbsdf.16902$Ua6.564@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
> If you can't play to the rules, don't whine when you are criticised.
> -- 
> John Secker

If you can play within the rules, dont whine when you are criticised.
There's another equally useless and pointless sentence for you, that means 
nothing.


"Erland Andreassen" <wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> wrote in message 
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> A macro miner is a macro miner.
>
And I said differently? No I didnt, fool.

> Its still cheating and against the rules of the game. If you can't accept 
> the rules find another game to play.
Again, did I argue differently? No.

> "Oh can't watch my movie, cry cry... " is that supposed to be a excuse for 
> cheating? doh!
It isnt cheating, it's against the EULA, there's a difference but that's 
probably beyond you :(


> The only one here whine is you when people point out what you are doing is 
> cheating and breaking the rules of the game. sad little twerp.
No, the only person whining is you, when you try stuff words in my mouth 
because you dont actually have the intelligence to come up with an argument.


All you can cry is "ITS CHEATING ITS CHEATING"(no it's not) and "ITS 
BREAKING TEH RULES"(yes it is), you cant actually come up with any other 
kind of argument.

You cant argue about how it affects the economy, how it cuts down on player 
count(because pure macro miners are usually on trial accounts), how it 
forces players out of systems and out of mining altogether.


Get a grip and be thankful you didnt post your charname with your threat. 

PS, I dont macro mine, i've only played ~33 hours in the last year(at least 
that's what xfire tells me).

Frankly, the game bores me and I only keep accounts open to train skills - 
but I have been playing since january 2003.

"John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:3567BQF8eqdDFw6I@secker.demon.co.uk...
> In message <Pbsdf.16902$Ua6.564@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Hamo 
> <fake@email.com> writes
>>Whine.
>>
>>If you want to pop some macro miners, why dont you find one of the bands 
>>of
>>5+ macro miners that CCP refuses to ban? You know, the ones that have 
>>fully
>>automated operations that have 4+ miners and 1 account running an indy 
>>back
>>and forth, all automatically.
>>
>>
>>Some guy having a simple macro to drag and drop from cargo hold to can, 
>>just
>>so he doesnt have to tab out of his movie every 2 mins isnt going to 
>>change
>>anything, the same amount of minerals is being mined.
>>
>>Next time you want to whine/whinge/moan/rant, find a better topic.
>>
> If you can't play to the rules, don't whine when you are criticised.
> -- 
> John Secker 

> All you can cry is "ITS CHEATING ITS CHEATING"(no it's not) and "ITS
> BREAKING TEH RULES"(yes it is), you cant actually come up with any other 
> kind of argument.

Breaking the rules put down by the creators of the game, would be cheating 
no matter how you would see it.


> Get a grip and be thankful you didnt post your charname with your threat.

How about you who is so brave can post yours? 

"> PS, I dont macro mine, i've only played ~33 hours in the last year(at 
least
> that's what xfire tells me).

You just happend to know about macro programs to recomended, and how easy it 
was to drag and drop with them (from post you made earlier).

> Frankly, the game bores me and I only keep accounts open to train skills - 
> but I have been playing since january 2003

Thats not called playing thats called sleeping.  Skills doesnt mean jack 
when you dont have practice and experience to go with them. 

actually, that's not a valid argument.  Your base assumption is that
there's a difference, visa vis 'macro mining', between cheating and
'exploiting'...it's an official violation of the EULA. why are you
debating something already decided?

Actually, i'm worried that this reference to "AIM keys" means that this
whole 'macro-ing' phenomenon is actually easier than i assumed.  Why do
i find this troubling? because i myself use a "minute timer" to audibly
ding to prompt me to drag-drop manually...now, if 'macro-ing' is just a
hop-skip-and-jump away from an eggtimer -- in CCP's eyes -- then they
could consider ANY attempt at using 3rd party programs to help one mine
to be EULA violations.

CCP is like every other MMOG developer:  they've succumbed to the
temptation to be social engineers (mad scientists playing with sticks
and carrots) ... and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why i stopped
playing eve-online.
http://www.virtualworldlets.net/Tutorials/Hosted/DoomedFail.php

Cheating is something that gives an unfair advantage, unless macro mining 
magically mines more than if you were watching it, it's not cheating.

btw, it wasnt me who asked for location to pod, it was you so dont be 
stupid.

>You just happend to know about macro programs to >recomended, and how easy 
>it was to drag and drop with them (from post you made >earlier).
No, I actually had to google macro maker and see what names came up that I 
recognised.

Drag and drop is simply moving the mouse between two area's and doing a 
mouse click once, if you think only eve has behaviour like this, and macro 
programs are only for games, you're a bigger idiot than you appear.

>Thats not called playing thats called sleeping.  Skills >doesnt mean jack 
>when you dont have practice and experience to go with >them.

Is that jealousy I hear? :(

Doesn't say much for a game if it's cheating to automate something
incredibly mundane, and boring.  I played Jumpgate in the beta and it
was an unbelievable waste of time.  Looks like Eve has even surpassed
JG in it's dullness.  I've had the unopened Eve box on my shelf for
nearly a year, but the thought of playing it hasn't even generated
enough excitement to install the game.

"> btw, it wasnt me who asked for location to pod, it was you so dont be
> stupid.

Didn't say I would pod anyone. I said "die already" to the approach about 
macro programs.
Using macro's gives you a adventage over those who don't because you can 
automate your gameplay and benefit from it by not physical be in front of 
the screen and playing yourself. Which is cheating no matter how you put it.

>>Thats not called playing thats called sleeping.  Skills >doesnt mean jack 
>>when you dont have practice and experience to go with >them.
>
> Is that jealousy I hear? :(


Oh yes sure, with a 32.5m sp character Im jealous on some twat on usenet who 
advocate the use of macro programs and cheating. Get a grip. 

Aww, best you can come up with again is "ITS TEH CHEATZORING!"

Get a clue, then try argue about something you currently cant seem to 
understand.

Time /=/ cheating.

As others have already pointed out, most MMO's come with built in macro's 
that could do this stuff easily.

32.5mil sp is nothing, try having 15 tech 2 bpo's and assets of 30billion 
isk before you brag, and that's with me playing WoW since february.

ps, if you want an example of cheating, try any one of the numerous dupe 
exploits eve has suffered from, I quite liked the one where RUS amassed so 
much duped megacyte in secure cans, it stopped roids with megacyte from 
being respawned.

"Erland Andreassen" <wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> wrote in message 
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>
> "> btw, it wasnt me who asked for location to pod, it was you so dont be
>> stupid.
>
> Didn't say I would pod anyone. I said "die already" to the approach about 
> macro programs.
> Using macro's gives you a adventage over those who don't because you can 
> automate your gameplay and benefit from it by not physical be in front of 
> the screen and playing yourself. Which is cheating no matter how you put 
> it.
>
>>>Thats not called playing thats called sleeping.  Skills >doesnt mean jack 
>>>when you dont have practice and experience to go with >them.
>>
>> Is that jealousy I hear? :(
>
>
> Oh yes sure, with a 32.5m sp character Im jealous on some twat on usenet 
> who advocate the use of macro programs and cheating. Get a grip.
> 

"> Get a clue, then try argue about something you currently cant seem to
> understand.
>
> Time /=/ cheating.
>
> As others have already pointed out, most MMO's come with built in macro's 
> that could do this stuff easily.
>
> 32.5mil sp is nothing, try having 15 tech 2 bpo's and assets of 30billion 
> isk before you brag, and that's with me playing WoW since february.

Didn't know this was a pissing contest, you don't know what I got of assets 
or not in EVE. Its easy to brag about what you got, how about put forth your 
ingame name, so could check out the facts? With you being that incative you 
claim, I doubt any of what you say is true regarding your assets tbh.

And to get it into your thick skull. EVE isnt like any other mmorpg out 
there. Each game got its own set of rules and guidelines put down in the 
EULA by the creators of the game. To play the game you actually have to 
accept it. Even you claim otherwise using macro's is cheating and breaking 
the rules. Players been banned in the past for using macros and will in the 
future, care to explain why they get banned if it wasnt for breaking the 
rules and cheating? Brining up other cheats and exploits such as the dupes 
to justify use macro's is just plain silly. If players want to play a game 
with macro's then find a game that allow for such, EVE doesn't.

quote from the EULA itself;
"
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other 
patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, 
character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared 
with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or 
otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, 
character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved 
in the Game."

> Doesn't say much for a game if it's cheating to automate something
> incredibly mundane, and boring.  I played Jumpgate in the beta and it
> was an unbelievable waste of time.  Looks like Eve has even surpassed
> JG in it's dullness.  I've had the unopened Eve box on my shelf for
> nearly a year, but the thought of playing it hasn't even generated
> enough excitement to install the game.

No one forces you to mine, there is tons of other things to do in the game. 
What drive the game is players interacte with each other and create the 
content of the game. EVE isn't a singel player oriented game, eventhough 
there is room for solo players.

If people want to play a game where they can be lazy and have the game play 
for them by used automated features, fine there is games out there where 
such is possible, but EVE isn't one of them, and thank god for that. 

Erland Andreassen wrote:
> No one forces you to mine, there is tons of other things to do in the game.
> What drive the game is players interacte with each other and create the
> content of the game. EVE isn't a singel player oriented game, eventhough
> there is room for solo players.

The reason why this struck a nerve with me was because.... These kind
of games seem to try to get people to hang on to their subscriptions by
making the startup a painful experience.  I can understand considering
it a cheat to, for example have an automated aiming program in a FPS.
But a script that automates simple mundane tasks?  Yeah, if your trying
to make it hard to "level up" so people aren't inclined to let your
subscription lapse.  That's sounds like a boring waste of time to me.
Too bad they can't actually come up with a space sim MMORPG that's fun
from the start, and have people want to keep their subscription because
it's an exciting game.

>> No one forces you to mine, there is tons of other things to do in the 
>> game.
>> What drive the game is players interacte with each other and create the
>> content of the game. EVE isn't a singel player oriented game, eventhough
>> there is room for solo players.

> The reason why this struck a nerve with me was because.... These kind
> of games seem to try to get people to hang on to their subscriptions by
> making the startup a painful experience.  I can understand considering
> it a cheat to, for example have an automated aiming program in a FPS.
> But a script that automates simple mundane tasks?  Yeah, if your trying
> to make it hard to "level up" so people aren't inclined to let your
> subscription lapse.  That's sounds like a boring waste of time to me.
> Too bad they can't actually come up with a space sim MMORPG that's fun
> from the start, and have people want to keep their subscription because
> it's an exciting game.

Well, the startup in EVE become much easier with the new tutorial they 
introduced practically nursing a new player through the basics of the game. 
EVE isn't the typical grind for experience type of mmorpg. You dont grind, 
grind to level 60. Skills are learned real time whether you are online 
playing or not. There is no "level up" based on grinding missions or 
anything else.  No one forces you to do boring mundane tasks, its up to 
yourself how you want to play tbh. There is many ways of making a living in 
EVE, mining is just one of those. 

On 15 Nov 2005 07:22:59 -0800, "FLY135" <fly_135@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Erland Andreassen wrote:
>> No one forces you to mine, there is tons of other things to do in the game.
>> What drive the game is players interacte with each other and create the
>> content of the game. EVE isn't a singel player oriented game, eventhough
>> there is room for solo players.
>
>The reason why this struck a nerve with me was because.... These kind
>of games seem to try to get people to hang on to their subscriptions by
>making the startup a painful experience.  I can understand considering
>it a cheat to, for example have an automated aiming program in a FPS.
>But a script that automates simple mundane tasks?  Yeah, if your trying
>to make it hard to "level up" so people aren't inclined to let your
>subscription lapse.  That's sounds like a boring waste of time to me.
>Too bad they can't actually come up with a space sim MMORPG that's fun
>from the start, and have people want to keep their subscription because
>it's an exciting game.

And that has always been one of the big stumbling blocks for people in Eve.
Many just can't get over that mining hump. Try as they might to move away and
try something else they just don't make the kind of money that mining can. So
if the only thing you can end up doing is flying from one belt to another
mining no fucking wonder they want to use macros. Tip to the developers: if
you want to stop people using macros STOP making bits of the game so boring
that they invent them in the first place!!!

"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
news:7mtkn1d7m43vc3pd8seage5h46e0pc28fo@4ax.com...
> On 15 Nov 2005 07:22:59 -0800, "FLY135" <fly_135@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Erland Andreassen wrote:
>>> No one forces you to mine, there is tons of other things to do in the 
>>> game.
>>> What drive the game is players interacte with each other and create the
>>> content of the game. EVE isn't a singel player oriented game, eventhough
>>> there is room for solo players.
>>
>>The reason why this struck a nerve with me was because.... These kind
>>of games seem to try to get people to hang on to their subscriptions by
>>making the startup a painful experience.  I can understand considering
>>it a cheat to, for example have an automated aiming program in a FPS.
>>But a script that automates simple mundane tasks?  Yeah, if your trying
>>to make it hard to "level up" so people aren't inclined to let your
>>subscription lapse.  That's sounds like a boring waste of time to me.
>>Too bad they can't actually come up with a space sim MMORPG that's fun
>>from the start, and have people want to keep their subscription because
>>it's an exciting game.
>
> And that has always been one of the big stumbling blocks for people in 
> Eve.
> Many just can't get over that mining hump. Try as they might to move away 
> and
> try something else they just don't make the kind of money that mining can. 
> So
> if the only thing you can end up doing is flying from one belt to another
> mining no fucking wonder they want to use macros. Tip to the developers: 
> if
> you want to stop people using macros STOP making bits of the game so 
> boring
> that they invent them in the first place!!!

Most of the organized macro-mining gangs are simply harvesting ISK to sell 
on E-bay or
IGE and so forth.

Eve's issue with this is that the mineral economy has tanked.

CCP seem to be under-resourced to handle these folks.

Cheers

John 

In message <N_GdnXSvVOjiOQ_eRVnyrA@pipex.net>, John McDonnell 
<dsfds@?.?.invalid> writes
>
>"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:7mtkn1d7m43vc3pd8seage5h46e0pc28fo@4ax.com...
>> On 15 Nov 2005 07:22:59 -0800, "FLY135" <fly_135@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Erland Andreassen wrote:
>>>> No one forces you to mine, there is tons of other things to do in the
>>>> game.
>>>> What drive the game is players interacte with each other and create the
>>>> content of the game. EVE isn't a singel player oriented game, eventhough
>>>> there is room for solo players.
>>>
>>>The reason why this struck a nerve with me was because.... These kind
>>>of games seem to try to get people to hang on to their subscriptions by
>>>making the startup a painful experience.  I can understand considering
>>>it a cheat to, for example have an automated aiming program in a FPS.
>>>But a script that automates simple mundane tasks?  Yeah, if your trying
>>>to make it hard to "level up" so people aren't inclined to let your
>>>subscription lapse.  That's sounds like a boring waste of time to me.
>>>Too bad they can't actually come up with a space sim MMORPG that's fun
>>>from the start, and have people want to keep their subscription because
>>>it's an exciting game.
>>
>> And that has always been one of the big stumbling blocks for people in
>> Eve.
>> Many just can't get over that mining hump. Try as they might to move away
>> and
>> try something else they just don't make the kind of money that mining can.
>> So
>> if the only thing you can end up doing is flying from one belt to another
>> mining no fucking wonder they want to use macros. Tip to the developers:
>> if
>> you want to stop people using macros STOP making bits of the game so
>> boring
>> that they invent them in the first place!!!
>
>Most of the organized macro-mining gangs are simply harvesting ISK to sell
>on E-bay or
>IGE and so forth.
>
>Eve's issue with this is that the mineral economy has tanked.
>
>CCP seem to be under-resourced to handle these folks.
>
Yep. If you find mining too boring, don't mine - I don't mine any more. 
If you can't find anything in the game to interest you, don't play. But 
don't come here with whiny little excuses about how the game design 
"made" you cheat.
-- 
John Secker

> Most of the organized macro-mining gangs are simply harvesting ISK to sell
> on E-bay or
> IGE and so forth.
>
> Eve's issue with this is that the mineral economy has tanked.
>
> CCP seem to be under-resourced to handle these folks.

Geddons with large smartbombs can be devestating for these big macro mining 
ops. ;-) 

In message <439374b4$0$42132$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>, 
Erland Andreassen <wsg@lways-nospam-.online.no> writes
>
>> Most of the organized macro-mining gangs are simply harvesting ISK to sell
>> on E-bay or
>> IGE and so forth.
>>
>> Eve's issue with this is that the mineral economy has tanked.
>>
>> CCP seem to be under-resourced to handle these folks.
>
>Geddons with large smartbombs can be devestating for these big macro mining
>ops. ;-)
>
>
Hehe. They need to introduce a new rule - no loss of sec status or 
Concord flagging for killing and podding a macro-miner, even in 1.0 
space.
-- 
John Secker

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:38:43 +0100, John Secker <john@secker.demon.co.uk>  
wrote:

> Hehe. They need to introduce a new rule - no loss of sec status or  
> Concord flagging for killing and podding a macro-miner, even in 1.0  
> space.

You can already do that, you just need to be clever about it.

A friend of mine has killed numerous macro/sweatshop miners (around 25  
battleships, over 100 mining barges).  The clue is to have 2 corporations  
at war with eachother (corp A and B, make it mutual so it doesn't cost  
anything), then have a member of corp A gang invite the sweatshop/macro  
miners (their english is poor). Once they are in gang, have someone from  
corp B kill them. They are in a warring gang, and if the person that  
invited them into the gang is in the same system, they can freely be  
killed.   It's a side-effect of how the gang rules work when people join a  
gang with people at work, but it's highly effective and it's not even an  
exploit.

Good luck :-D

-- 
- Petter

In message <op.s1gww6d9zu1d33@pettern-xp.oslo.opera.com>, Petter Nilsen 
<pettern.slett@opera.com> writes
>On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:38:43 +0100, John Secker 
><john@secker.demon.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>> Hehe. They need to introduce a new rule - no loss of sec status or 
>>Concord flagging for killing and podding a macro-miner, even in 1.0 
>>space.
>
>You can already do that, you just need to be clever about it.
>
>A friend of mine has killed numerous macro/sweatshop miners (around 25 
>battleships, over 100 mining barges).  The clue is to have 2 
>corporations  at war with eachother (corp A and B, make it mutual so it 
>doesn't cost  anything), then have a member of corp A gang invite the 
>sweatshop/macro  miners (their english is poor). Once they are in gang, 
>have someone from  corp B kill them. They are in a warring gang, and if 
>the person that  invited them into the gang is in the same system, they 
>can freely be  killed.   It's a side-effect of how the gang rules work 
>when people join a  gang with people at work, but it's highly effective 
>and it's not even an  exploit.
>
>
The only drawback, I guess, is that when they get the gang invite it 
will warn then that the person inviting them is at war. I guess enough 
of them just say yes anyway, or their English is too poor for them to 
appreciate what is going on. Neat tip, anyway :)
-- 
John Secker

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:39:46 +0100, John Secker <john@secker.demon.co.uk>  
wrote:

> The only drawback, I guess, is that when they get the gang invite it  
> will warn then that the person inviting them is at war. I guess enough  
> of them just say yes anyway, or their English is too poor for them to  
> appreciate what is going on. Neat tip, anyway :)

Trust me, it works very well. Just make sure you attack the correct person  
that is actually in the gang :-D

Yeah, their english is bad so they won't understand what is going on.

-- 
- Petter