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Taken from a website by a candian. God bless you. and let the flames 
begin...

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:46:10 -0500, Anthony wrote:

> This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most 
> generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

I shouldn't respond to trolls and obvious spammers, but you should ask
yourself if your self-esteem and ego are really so low that you have to
post something like that. Did it make you feel better? So one Canadian
thinks Americans are great. Eh, who cares? There are millions of Americans,
and plenty of them are quite all right. Just like there are plenty of
Canadians, Germans, British, French who are quite all right. Just as there
there are morons and dorks in every nation.

The reason why Americans tend to suffer from more resentment than some
other peoples is largely related to the attitude that the American
government (past and present) tends to display. Bluntly put, if an
administration acts like an unreasonable bully who makes it quite clear
that he feels he has the right to walk over everyone else in the schoolyard
because he has the biggest muscles, then all the other kids will not be
very fond of him. Nobody likes obnoxious bullies. And "make no mistake",
your Rumsfeld and Bush have made that very clear when they visited Europe,
even though that may not have been covered by the US media. Rumsfeld
especially acted like a prick, and it blacklashes.

So, in other words, I have never met anyone over here in Germany who
dislikes "the Americans", or who thinks poorly of them (okay, some of the
typical American behahviours are smiled at, but every culture has their
individual quirks) or has forgotten "all the good they did" (not the bad,
either). It's not a lack of gratitude if criticism is raised. Having been
helped in the past also doesn't mean that you have to approve of everything
your rescuer does in the future or should be branded as "ungrateful" if you
dare to disagree. Friendship isn't a never-ending circle of mutual debt.

America's problem right now is not that there are some morons among those
millions of people. America's problem is that you have a moron as a
president.

M.


PS. The text you posted is old. It surfaces every once in a while. If you
thought you found something new, well, you didn't.

I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but there are two factual errors
I'd like to point out:

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Anthony <aeva...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the 
> erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other 
> country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the 
> Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why 
> do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Never heard of Airbus? I think it's the primary competitor of Boeing,
and it's currently building a new passenger jet that's bigger than the
747. Their other planes are also used by many airlines all over the
world. I'm afraid I've never heard of the Lockheed Tri-Star, though.
I thought Lockheed made mostly military planes.

> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other 
> people in trouble. Can you name
> me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I 
> don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

America is quite able to deal with many disasters on their own. Katrina
is an exceptionally big one, ofcourse, and foreign aid is now coming in
from all over the world. Including from countries like Venezuela and
Cuba, in fact.

Also remember that France and Germany, two of the biggest critics of
american foreign policy, we also among the biggest contributors of
troops in Afghanistan. America gets plenty of help when it really
needs it.


mcv.
-- 
"Serenity is a very personal work with political resonance and a
heartfelt message about the human condition and stuff blowing up.
'Cause let's face it, nobody cares about that 'human condition'
stuff... in fact if you notice it, try to keep it to yourself."
                                        -- Joss Whedon on his new film

"Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
> America: The Good Neighbor.
>
> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
> remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian 
> television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant 
> remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

...

> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out 
> of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars 
> and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today 
> paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US of 
�244 million will be in 2006.

"mcv" <mcv...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message 
news:431eab1d$0$11066$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but there are two factual errors
> I'd like to point out:
>
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Anthony <aeva...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
>> erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any 
>> other
>> country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
>> Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? 
>> Why
>> do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
>
> Never heard of Airbus? I think it's the primary competitor of Boeing,
> and it's currently building a new passenger jet that's bigger than the
> 747. Their other planes are also used by many airlines all over the
> world. I'm afraid I've never heard of the Lockheed Tri-Star, though.
> I thought Lockheed made mostly military planes.

Otherwise known as the L-1011

I think this a very old article

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:46:10 -0500, "Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net>
wrote:

>America: The Good Neighbor.
>
>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable 
>editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television 
>commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as 
>printed in the Congressional Record:
Recent, as in from 1973?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/sinclair.asp


-- 
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If New Orleans is the home of jazz,why the fuck is Katrina And The Waves
there?


"Jeffery S. Jones" <jef...@execpc.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:46:10 -0500, "Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> >Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
remarkable
> >editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian
television
> >commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
> >printed in the Congressional Record:
> Recent, as in from 1973?
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/sinclair.asp
>
>
> -- 
> *-__Jeffery Jones__________|  *Starfire*   |____________________-*
> ** Muskego WI Access Channel 14/25 <http://www.execpc.com/~jeffsj/mach7/>
> *Starfire Design Studio* <http://www.starfiredesign.com/>

"Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>Taken from a website by a candian. God bless you. and let the flames 
>begin...

Er what?  Candian?  Is that a John Candy fan site or something?

Xocyll
-- 
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

On that special day, Dave, (badd...@xyzbtinternet.com) said...

> If New Orleans is the home of jazz,why the fuck is Katrina And The Waves
> there?

Someone just *had* to mention it, did he? 

Okay, here is a link to that group, which performes in the eighties, 
not knowing what their name would mean one day. 
http://www.katw.com/ 
And they were neither Punks nor a New Wave group. Just musicians. 


Gabriele Neukam 

Gabriele.Spam...@t-online.de 


-- 
Ah, Information. A property, too valuable these days, to give it away, 
just so, at no cost. 

mcv wrote:
> I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but there are two factual errors
> I'd like to point out:
>>
>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
>> erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
>> other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
>> Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't
>> they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly
>> American Planes?

Actually, Aeroflot uses Boeing 767's |:-)

> Never heard of Airbus? I think it's the primary competitor of Boeing,
> and it's currently building a new passenger jet that's bigger than the
> 747. Their other planes are also used by many airlines all over the
> world. I'm afraid I've never heard of the Lockheed Tri-Star, though.
> I thought Lockheed made mostly military planes.
>
>> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
>> other people in trouble. Can you name
>> me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in
>> trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San
>> Francisco earthquake.
>
> America is quite able to deal with many disasters on their own.
> Katrina
> is an exceptionally big one, ofcourse, and foreign aid is now coming
> in
> from all over the world. Including from countries like Venezuela and
> Cuba, in fact.

The funny thing is that America actually refused any help the first days 
after Katrina...

-- 
Thomas 

In article <ydyTe.74213$DW1.47647@fed1read06>,
leadfoot <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>I think this a very old article

Yup.  1973  (second hit on Google "Gordon Sinclair").  Sinclair has been dead
for years.
-- 
"Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/   qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)

In article <dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
 "Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting \(ex\) Cat" <bo...@syme.org> wrote:

>The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US of 
>�244 million will be in 2006.


Good, then they can start paying back Canada for the WWII loans.

Jim

"Thomas" <tho...@lycos.nl> wrote in message 
news:3o8ju7F4oaplU1@individual.net...
> mcv wrote:
>> I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but there are two factual errors
>> I'd like to point out:
>>>
>>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
>>> erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
>>> other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
>>> Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't
>>> they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly
>>> American Planes?
>
> Actually, Aeroflot uses Boeing 767's |:-)
>
>> Never heard of Airbus? I think it's the primary competitor of Boeing,
>> and it's currently building a new passenger jet that's bigger than the
>> 747. Their other planes are also used by many airlines all over the
>> world. I'm afraid I've never heard of the Lockheed Tri-Star, though.
>> I thought Lockheed made mostly military planes.
>>
>>> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
>>> other people in trouble. Can you name
>>> me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in
>>> trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San
>>> Francisco earthquake.
>>
>> America is quite able to deal with many disasters on their own.
>> Katrina
>> is an exceptionally big one, ofcourse, and foreign aid is now coming
>> in
>> from all over the world. Including from countries like Venezuela and
>> Cuba, in fact.
>
> The funny thing is that America actually refused any help the first days 
> after Katrina...
>
> -- 
> Thomas
No, not Americans in general... some of our damned beurocraps did that.  And 
we The People ain't particularly happy about that.  Nor about our own 
military NOT being given the order to mobilize help to La., Ms., and Al. 
affected areas.   We're wondering how many of the 10,000+ dead wouldn't be 
if our elected officials hadn't had their thumbs up their butts.
McG. 

I wasted 10 seconds of my life waiting on OE d/l messages from the forum and 
all I get is this guff.  Then there is the 30 seconds wasted responding.

"McGrandpa" <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:KwLTe.43404$Nx.16155@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
> "Thomas" <tho...@lycos.nl> wrote in message 
> news:3o8ju7F4oaplU1@individual.net...
>> mcv wrote:
>>> I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but there are two factual errors
>>> I'd like to point out:
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
>>>> erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
>>>> other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
>>>> Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't
>>>> they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly
>>>> American Planes?
>>
>> Actually, Aeroflot uses Boeing 767's |:-)
>>
>>> Never heard of Airbus? I think it's the primary competitor of Boeing,
>>> and it's currently building a new passenger jet that's bigger than the
>>> 747. Their other planes are also used by many airlines all over the
>>> world. I'm afraid I've never heard of the Lockheed Tri-Star, though.
>>> I thought Lockheed made mostly military planes.
>>>
>>>> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
>>>> other people in trouble. Can you name
>>>> me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in
>>>> trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San
>>>> Francisco earthquake.
>>>
>>> America is quite able to deal with many disasters on their own.
>>> Katrina
>>> is an exceptionally big one, ofcourse, and foreign aid is now coming
>>> in
>>> from all over the world. Including from countries like Venezuela and
>>> Cuba, in fact.
>>
>> The funny thing is that America actually refused any help the first days 
>> after Katrina...
>>
>> -- 
>> Thomas
> No, not Americans in general... some of our damned beurocraps did that. 
> And we The People ain't particularly happy about that.  Nor about our own 
> military NOT being given the order to mobilize help to La., Ms., and Al. 
> affected areas.   We're wondering how many of the 10,000+ dead wouldn't be 
> if our elected officials hadn't had their thumbs up their butts.
> McG.
> 

On 07 Sep 2005 08:55:57 GMT, mcv <mcv...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>
>I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but there are two factual errors
>I'd like to point out:
>
>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Anthony <aeva...@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the 
>> erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other 
>> country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the 
>> Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why 
>> do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
>
>Never heard of Airbus? I think it's the primary competitor of Boeing,
>and it's currently building a new passenger jet that's bigger than the
>747. 

If you actually read it, you'll note it was written during the Vietnam
War.  

"foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote in message 
news:3qITe.426769$5V4.68781@pd7tw3no...
> In article <dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting \(ex\) Cat" <bo...@syme.org> 
> wrote:
>
>>The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US 
>>of
>>�244 million will be in 2006.
>
>
> Good, then they can start paying back Canada for the WWII loans.
>

Done that - the only debts outstanding are too the US - everyone else has 
been paid. 

In article <dfotm9$amn$1$830f...@news.demon.co.uk
>, "Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting \(ex\) Cat" 

>> Good, then they can start paying back Canada for the WWII loans.
>>
>
>Done that - the only debts outstanding are too the US - everyone else has 
>been paid. 


Sorry, but not a penny has been paid.

Jim

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:13:02 +0200, Michael Vondung
<mvon...@gmail.com> wrote:

>America's problem right now is not that there are some morons among those
>millions of people. America's problem is that you have a moron as a
>president.

http://www.assett.co.uk/images/sky12.jpg

Lemming
-- 
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:27:00 GMT, "Arthur Dent"
<arthu...@magrathea.com> wrote:

>I wasted 10 seconds of my life waiting on OE d/l messages from the forum and 
>all I get is this guff.  Then there is the 30 seconds wasted responding.

Come and join us in csipgs-s - that is what we live for.

Lemming
-- 
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:03:30 +0100, Lemming wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:13:02 +0200, Michael Vondung
> <mvondung@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>America's problem right now is not that there are some morons among those
>>millions of people. America's problem is that you have a moron as a
>>president.
> 
> http://www.assett.co.uk/images/sky12.jpg
> 
> Lemming

Heh.  It would be much, much funnier if it were less true.

Bret

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:05:41 +0100, Lemming wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:27:00 GMT, "Arthur Dent"
> <arthurdent@magrathea.com> wrote:
> 
>>I wasted 10 seconds of my life waiting on OE d/l messages from the forum and 
>>all I get is this guff.  Then there is the 30 seconds wasted responding.
> 
> Come and join us in csipgs-s - that is what we live for.
> 
> Lemming

If you type poorly enough, you can sometimes waste as much as 40 or 45
seconds.  And if you happen to be responding to Zan, it seems like even
more.

Bret

"foamy" <bomb...@wahs.ac> wrote in message 
news:ni4Ue.446903$5V4.185991@pd7tw3no...
> In article <dfotm9$amn$1$830f...@news.demon.co.uk
>>, "Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting \(ex\) Cat"
>
>>> Good, then they can start paying back Canada for the WWII loans.
>>>
>>
>>Done that - the only debts outstanding are too the US - everyone else has
>>been paid.
>
>
> Sorry, but not a penny has been paid.
>

Hmm, better take that up with the House of Commons - they don't think anyone 
else is owed anything.

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmhansrd/vo020228/text/20228w04.htm


Second World War debt

Under a 1945 Agreement the United States Government lent the United Kingdom 
a total of $4,336 million (around �1,075 million at 1945 exchange rates) in 
war loans. These loans were taken out under two facilities: (i) a Line of 
Credit of $3,750 million (around �930 million at 1945 exchange rates); and 
(ii) a Lend-Lease loan facility of $586 million (around �145 million at 1945 
exchange rates), which represented the settlement with the United States for 
Lend-Lease and Reciprocal Aid and for the final settlement of the financial 
claims of each government against the other arising out of the conduct of 
the Second World War.


28 Feb 2002 : Column 1441W


Under the Agreement the loans would be repaid in 50 annual instalments 
commencing in 1950. However the Agreement allowed deferral of annual 
payments of both principal and interest if necessary because of prevailing 
international exchange rate conditions and the level of the United Kingdom's 
foreign currency and gold reserves. The United Kingdom has deferred payments 
on six occasions. Repayment of the war loans to the United States Government 
should therefore be completed on 31 December 2006, subject to the United 
Kingdom not choosing to exercise its option to defer payment.

As at 31 March 2001 principal of $346,287,953 (�243,573,154 at the exchange 
rate on that day) was outstanding on the loans provided by the United States 
Government in 1945. The Government intend to meet its obligations under the 
1945 Agreement by repaying the United States Government in full the amounts 
lend in 1945.

All World War II debts owed to the United Kingdom by other countries have 
either been repaid or settlements have been agreed with the countries 
concerned. Details are provided in the Finance Accounts of the United 
Kingdom and their successor the Supplementary Statements to the Consolidated 
Fund and National Loans Fund Accounts for the financial years 1945-46 to 
1987-88 and the following Command Papers:




  China CM 198;



  Czechoslovakia Cmd 7798 and Cmnds 55, 56 and 2280;



  France Cmnd 6988;



  Netherlands Cmd 7358;



  Poland Cmd 6864 and 7148 and Cmnd 1057;



  Turkey Cmds 6165 and 9120; and



  USSR Cmd 7297.

Bogie, you are a star!

CC

"Bret Ripley" <ripley@olywa.net> wrote in message 
news:6gimy43n4mw6$.1fssn4l8jnoq6.dlg@40tude.net...
> If you type poorly enough, you can sometimes waste as much as 40 or 45
> seconds.  And if you happen to be responding to Zan, it seems like even
> more.

Jackass

*BING*

// Xan, Ph.D.
// I worship His Shadow. 

"Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bo...@syme.org> wrote 
in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> "Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>> America: The Good Neighbor.
>>
>> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>> remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>> Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his 
>> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>
> ...
>
>> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out 
>> of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars 
>> and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today 
>> paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
>
> The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US 
> of �244 million will be in 2006.
>
>

Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we have 
given them since WWII.
FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in today's 
dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the billions.

Bobby

NoNoBadDog! wrote:

>"Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bo...@syme.org> wrote 
>in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>  
>
>>"Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>>    
>>
>>>America: The Good Neighbor.
>>>
>>>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>>>remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>>>Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his 
>>>trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>>>      
>>>
>>...
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out 
>>>of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars 
>>>and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today 
>>>paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
>>>      
>>>
>>The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US 
>>of £244 million will be in 2006.
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we have 
>given them since WWII.
>FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in today's 
>dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the billions.
>  
>

Is this RTS or TBS?

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Quaestor <no-spam@my.place> contributed wisdom to 
news:127j3...@news.supernews.com: 

> NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> 
>>"Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bo...@syme.org>
>>wrote 
>>in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>>"Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>>news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>>>
>>>>America: The Good Neighbor.
>>>>
>>>>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>>>>remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>>>>Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of
>>>>his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>>>>      
>>>...
>>>
>>>>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
>>>>lifted out 
>>>>of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
>>>>dollars 
>>>>and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is
>>>>today 
> 
>>>>paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
>>>>States. 
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the
>>>US 
>>>of �244 million will be in 2006.
>>
>>Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we
>>have 
>>given them since WWII.
>>FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in
>>today's 
> 
>>dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the
>>billions.
> 
> Is this RTS or TBS?

Apparently he thinks this makes the US look good in the eyes of the 
world. How very american of him.

Gandalf  Parker

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>
> "Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bo...@syme.org> wrote 
> in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> "Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
>> news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>>> America: The Good Neighbor.
>>>
>>> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>>> remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>>> Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his 
>>> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted 
>>> out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of 
>>> dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is 
>>> today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United 
>>> States.
>>
>> The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US 
>> of �244 million will be in 2006.
>>
>>
>
> Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we 
> have given them since WWII.
> FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in today's 
> dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the 
> billions.
>
> Bobby
>
>
>
Prick! Welcome to my killfile ya dickhead. 

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Gandalf  Parker <gan...@the.dead.isp.of.community.net> wrote:
> Quaestor <no-spam@my.place> contributed wisdom to 
> news:127j3...@news.supernews.com: 
>> NoNoBadDog! wrote:
>>>"Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bo...@syme.org>
>>>wrote 
>>>in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>>"Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>>>news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>>>>
>>>>>America: The Good Neighbor.
>>>>>
>>>>>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>>>>>remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>>>>>Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of
>>>>>his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
>>>>>lifted out 
>>>>>of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
>>>>>dollars 
>>>>>and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is
>>>>>today 
>> 
>>>>>paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
>>>>>States. 
>>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the
>>>>US 
>>>>of ?244 million will be in 2006.
>>>
>>>Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we
>>>have 
>>>given them since WWII.
>>>FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in
>>>today's 
>> 
>>>dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the
>>>billions.
>> 
>> Is this RTS or TBS?
> 
> Apparently he thinks this makes the US look good in the eyes of the 
> world. How very american of him.

What I'd like to know is how the Americans are ever going to pay back
the loans with which China is trying to lift them out of the debris
of the Reagan and Bush jr. administrations.


mcv.

"Andy H" <anyw...@nowhere.baby.com> wrote in message 
news:rPleg.4350$O7.2572@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <Diesp...@notme.com> wrote in message 
> news:y_2dnYLqvKFJg-TZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net...
>>
>> "Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bo...@syme.org> 
>> wrote in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> "Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>>>> America: The Good Neighbor.
>>>>
>>>> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>>>> remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>>>> Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his 
>>>> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted 
>>>> out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of 
>>>> dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is 
>>>> today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United 
>>>> States.
>>>
>>> The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US 
>>> of �244 million will be in 2006.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we 
>> have given them since WWII.
>> FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in today's 
>> dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the 
>> billions.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>>
>>
> Prick! Welcome to my killfile ya dickhead.
>
yawn

Bobby

On 28 May 2006 18:25:55 GMT, mcv wrote:

> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Gandalf  Parker <gandalf@the.dead.isp.of.community.net> wrote:
>> Quaestor <no-spam@my.place> contributed wisdom to 
>> news:127j3i0m1rnk2c0@news.supernews.com: 
>>> NoNoBadDog! wrote:
>>>>"Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bogie@syme.org>
>>>>wrote 
>>>>in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>"Anthony" <aevansjr3@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>>>>news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>>>>>
>>>>>>America: The Good Neighbor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>>>>>>remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>>>>>>Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of
>>>>>>his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>>>>>...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
>>>>>>lifted out 
>>>>>>of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
>>>>>>dollars 
>>>>>>and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is
>>>>>>today 
>>> 
>>>>>>paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
>>>>>>States. 
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the
>>>>>US 
>>>>>of ?244 million will be in 2006.
>>>>
>>>>Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we
>>>>have 
>>>>given them since WWII.
>>>>FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in
>>>>today's 
>>> 
>>>>dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the
>>>>billions.
>>> 
>>> Is this RTS or TBS?
>> 
>> Apparently he thinks this makes the US look good in the eyes of the 
>> world. How very american of him.
> 
> What I'd like to know is how the Americans are ever going to pay back
> the loans with which China is trying to lift them out of the debris
> of the Reagan and Bush jr. administrations.

Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll get
China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.  

My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the time I'm
President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.

Bret

In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley 
<ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll get
>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>
>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the time I'm
>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>
>Bret
You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by 
coincidence, is now led by ....
-- 
John Secker

On Mon, 29 May 2006 00:06:47 +0100, John Secker wrote:

> In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley 
> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll get
>>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>>
>>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the time I'm
>>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>>
>>Bret
> You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by 
> coincidence, is now led by ....

Four small dots?  Cheeky little bastards.

Bret

"NoNoBadDog!" <Diesp...@notme.com> wrote in message 
news:y_2dnYLqvKFJg-TZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net...
>
> "Bogie, The Black and White Spam-Fighting (ex) Cat" <bo...@syme.org> wrote 
> in message news:dfmb1l$6sk$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> "Anthony" <aeva...@cox.net> wrote in message 
>> news:21wTe.180702$E95.168289@fed1read01...
>>> America: The Good Neighbor.
>>>
>>> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
>>> remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a 
>>> Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his 
>>> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted 
>>> out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of 
>>> dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is 
>>> today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United 
>>> States.
>>
>> The UK has being repaying the US since 1950. The final payment to the US 
>> of �244 million will be in 2006.
>>
>>
>
> Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we 
> have given them since WWII.
> FWIW, they are paying the bill at the rate set in 1946...not in today's 
> dollars. With inflation and interest, the loan would now be in the 
> billions.
>
> Bobby
>
>
>
King George and I are still waiting for our tea taxes.  Boston?

"John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:HA3nf7AH0ieEFw7S@secker.demon.co.uk...
> In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley 
> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll get
>>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>>
>>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the time 
>>I'm
>>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>>
>>Bret
> You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by 
> coincidence, is now led by ....
> -- 
> John Secker

It is lead by four little dots, two dashes, and John Secker. 

On Tue, 30 May 2006 13:49:34 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:

> "John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:HA3nf7AH0ieEFw7S@secker.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley 
>> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll get
>>>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>>>
>>>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the time 
>>>I'm
>>>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>>>
>>>Bret
>> You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by 
>> coincidence, is now led by ....
>> -- 
>> John Secker
> 
> It is lead by four little dots, two dashes, and John Secker.

Duly noted.  When I am President, I may very well be the only person on
earth to have both Bono and John Secker on speed dial.

Bret

Loans? From China? To the US? LOL.

-- 
Doug
"mcv" <mcv...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message 
news:4479eb33$0$31638$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> What I'd like to know is how the Americans are ever going to pay back
> the loans with which China is trying to lift them out of the debris
> of the Reagan and Bush jr. administrations.
>
>
> mcv. 

In message <whibfz8gbiun.ji7jg2ntvpki$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley 
<ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>On Tue, 30 May 2006 13:49:34 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:
>
>> "John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:HA3nf7AH0ieEFw7S@secker.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley
>>> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>>>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll get
>>>>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>>>>
>>>>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the time
>>>>I'm
>>>>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>>>>
>>>>Bret
>>> You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by
>>> coincidence, is now led by ....
>>> --
>>> John Secker
>>
>> It is lead by four little dots, two dashes, and John Secker.
>
>Duly noted.  When I am President, I may very well be the only person on
>earth to have both Bono and John Secker on speed dial.
>
But only Bono will return your calls. If you are lucky, one of the 
dashes might get back to you.
-- 
John Secker

On Tue, 30 May 2006 23:32:17 +0100, John Secker wrote:

> In message <whibfz8gbiun.ji7jg2ntvpki$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley 
> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>On Tue, 30 May 2006 13:49:34 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:
>>
>>> "John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:HA3nf7AH0ieEFw7S@secker.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley
>>>> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>>>>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll get
>>>>>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the time
>>>>>I'm
>>>>>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bret
>>>> You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by
>>>> coincidence, is now led by ....
>>>> --
>>>> John Secker
>>>
>>> It is lead by four little dots, two dashes, and John Secker.
>>
>>Duly noted.  When I am President, I may very well be the only person on
>>earth to have both Bono and John Secker on speed dial.
>>
> But only Bono will return your calls. 

Damn and blast.  And also bugger.

> If you are lucky, one of the dashes might get back to you.

Not likely, as I've decided not to be President after all.  I'm going to
ask Bill Huffman to serve in my place.  Or maybe Al Gore.

Bret

http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html


"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote in message 
news:951fg.103009$dW3.3805@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> Loans? From China? To the US? LOL.
>
> -- 
> Doug
> "mcv" <mcv...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message 
> news:4479eb33$0$31638$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>> What I'd like to know is how the Americans are ever going to pay back
>> the loans with which China is trying to lift them out of the debris
>> of the Reagan and Bush jr. administrations.
>>
>>
>> mcv.
>
> 

"Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.com> wrote in message 
news:ms41mdxh3hyd$.sdbur5p1kj06.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 23:32:17 +0100, John Secker wrote:
>
>> In message <whibfz8gbiun.ji7jg2ntvpki$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley
>> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>>On Tue, 30 May 2006 13:49:34 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:
>>>
>>>> "John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:HA3nf7AH0ieEFw7S@secker.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley
>>>>> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>>>>>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll 
>>>>>>get
>>>>>>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the 
>>>>>>time
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bret
>>>>> You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by
>>>>> coincidence, is now led by ....
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Secker
>>>>
>>>> It is lead by four little dots, two dashes, and John Secker.
>>>
>>>Duly noted.  When I am President, I may very well be the only person on
>>>earth to have both Bono and John Secker on speed dial.
>>>
>> But only Bono will return your calls.
>
> Damn and blast.  And also bugger.
>
>> If you are lucky, one of the dashes might get back to you.
>
> Not likely, as I've decided not to be President after all.  I'm going to
> ask Bill Huffman to serve in my place.  Or maybe Al Gore.

You don't want me in charge. I'd start doing stuff like pulling out of Iraq 
and sending them all over to Afganistan to dig Osama out the hole that he's 
hiding in. Or better yet just blowing up the hole and burying his pieces 
under 200 megatons of earth and rock. 

On Wed, 31 May 2006 01:01:45 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:

> "Bret Ripley" <ripley@gotsky.com> wrote in message 
> news:ms41mdxh3hyd$.sdbur5p1kj06.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 30 May 2006 23:32:17 +0100, John Secker wrote:
>>
>>> In message <whibfz8gbiun.ji7jg2ntvpki$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley
>>> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>>>On Tue, 30 May 2006 13:49:34 GMT, Bill Huffman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "John Secker" <john@secker.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:HA3nf7AH0ieEFw7S@secker.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>> In message <oyoalw02np1b$.17j89ynbl3vst$.dlg@40tude.net>, Bret Ripley
>>>>>> <ripley@gotsky.com> writes
>>>>>>>Debt with China?  No prob.  When it's my turn to be President, I'll 
>>>>>>>get
>>>>>>>China on the phone and offer to flip them for it: double or nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My fallback position is to beg for debt-relief.  Hopefully, by the 
>>>>>>>time
>>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>President, I'll have Bono on speed-dial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bret
>>>>>> You could always ask for a loan from the World Bank. Which, by
>>>>>> coincidence, is now led by ....
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John Secker
>>>>>
>>>>> It is lead by four little dots, two dashes, and John Secker.
>>>>
>>>>Duly noted.  When I am President, I may very well be the only person on
>>>>earth to have both Bono and John Secker on speed dial.
>>>>
>>> But only Bono will return your calls.
>>
>> Damn and blast.  And also bugger.
>>
>>> If you are lucky, one of the dashes might get back to you.
>>
>> Not likely, as I've decided not to be President after all.  I'm going to
>> ask Bill Huffman to serve in my place.  Or maybe Al Gore.
> 
> You don't want me in charge. I'd start doing stuff like pulling out of Iraq 
> and sending them all over to Afganistan to dig Osama out the hole that he's 
> hiding in. Or better yet just blowing up the hole and burying his pieces 
> under 200 megatons of earth and rock.

Perhaps the upside is that we both make Al Gore look like a scintillating
alternative.

Bret

"pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> writes:

> Loans? From China? To the US? LOL.


You are joking I assume?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic pigdos <N...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Loans? From China? To the US? LOL.

Really. The more money China loans to the US, the more cheap goods the
US can buy from China, and the more the Chinese economy grows. It's a
short-sighted, unstable, yet mutually beneficial relationship. Ofcourse
this can't go on forever, and when it stops, the US economy and the dollar
will collapse and drag much of the rest of the world with it.

Ofcourse the collapse of the dollar will mean that much of the US debt
will evaporate, and foreign moneylenders don't want that. So the big
question is how long they will dare to lend money to the US. The more
they lend, the less the chance they'll get it back, but when they stop,
they'll lose much of the outstanding loans. And so far, it looks like
China cares the least about that risk. They probably hope their booming
economy will make up for it.


mcv.

In article <447d61c5$0$31638$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl>, mcv...@xs4all.nl 
says...
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic pigdos <N...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > Loans? From China? To the US? LOL.
> 
> Really. The more money China loans to the US, the more cheap goods the
> US can buy from China, and the more the Chinese economy grows. It's a
> short-sighted, unstable, yet mutually beneficial relationship. Ofcourse
> this can't go on forever, and when it stops, the US economy and the dollar
> will collapse and drag much of the rest of the world with it.
> 
> Ofcourse the collapse of the dollar will mean that much of the US debt
> will evaporate, and foreign moneylenders don't want that. So the big
> question is how long they will dare to lend money to the US. The more
> they lend, the less the chance they'll get it back, but when they stop,
> they'll lose much of the outstanding loans. And so far, it looks like
> China cares the least about that risk. They probably hope their booming
> economy will make up for it.

In short, China and the US are looking after their own interests, and 
Europe et al would so much prefer if they did what was better for 
them...

- Gerry Quinn

re: Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we 
have
given them since WWII.

I wonder if they will use some of the Brit money to pay towards reparations 
they were supposed to give to Vietnam? 

In article <fpSdnVZHCsD...@bt.com>, Carl says...
> re: Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we 
> have
> given them since WWII.
> 
You mean the ones that have been repaid?

And what about the US repaying the $750million per year it borrows from 
the rest of the world that is to increase to over $1trillion this next 
year?


-- 
Conor,
Grumpy Old Man.
Same shit, different day.

Conor wrote:

>In article <fpSdnVZHCsD...@bt.com>, Carl says...
>  
>
>>re: Good...then they can start repayment on the hundreds of other loans we 
>>have
>>given them since WWII.
>>
>>    
>>
>You mean the ones that have been repaid?
>
>And what about the US repaying the $750million per year it borrows from 
>the rest of the world that is to increase to over $1trillion this next 
>year?
>

Don't like it?  Stop lending it.

-- 
Godwin is a net-nazi
Learn about spam: http://www.seige-perilous.org/spam/spam.html

On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:52:49 -0700, Quaestor <no-spam@my.place> wrote:

>Godwin is a net-nazi

I win.

Lemming
-- 
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

"Lemming" <thiswillbounce@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:vi5982d3gb8k1beu1es1tcvtd44djnp691@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 16:52:49 -0700, Quaestor <no-spam@my.place> wrote:
>
>>Godwin is a net-nazi
>
> I win.
>
> Lemming
> -- 
> Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

I wondered what you were doing slumming-it in CSIPN, but it seems you've 
spammed half of usenet! :)

Dan