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On 29 Jul 2004 09:57:53 -0700, laszlo_...@freemail.hu wrote:

>Simon Nejmann wrote:
>> The Paladin levels bring several things to the table; hit points,
>> weapon proficiencies, armor + shield proficiencies, saving throws
>+cha
>> mod, Lay on Hands and immunity to disease. At second level they get
>> Smite Evil and Aura of Courage.
>
>No offense, but for a powergamer, you sure seem to miss the point of a
>Paladin/Sorcerer.
>
>The #1 advantage for taking a level of Paladin is none of the things
>you mentioned. NONE of them. The #1 advantage is simply...
>
>getting the Holy Avenger quest.

Ok, the Holy Avenger is a great weapon (arguably the best in the
game), but why is it soo good for the Sorceror?

It gives spell resistance and allows unlimited castings of dispel
magic - yup, that is cool. But wouldn't it be better in the hands of
some fighter type that actually could use it as a weapon?

Sure if the Sorc is the only Paladin in the party, but IMHO it would
be better in the hands of just about any other type of Pally - and
Yenkaz, the original questioner, just happened to want a full pally in
his party - irrelevant here perhaps, but I guess it was on my mind).

>Also, your other "powergaming" advice is somewhat competent, but it's
>all been done before, much better than what you suggest.
>
>http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/IWD2/icewind_dale_ii_jupp.zip
>
>Read. Marvel. Abase yourself before the powergaming genius of Jukka.

Read, marveled and abased myself.

Though I must add, I merely called myself a powergamer, I never
proclaimed to be the best - not even by a longshot. So my abasement
wasn't all that painfull. :)

Hmm, I noticed that he has a Drow Paladin(1)/Sorceror(29) as an
optional character in his melee party, that is supposed to use the
Holy Avenger both for its spell resistance and in order to have
something to do when all enemies are stunned.
But notice also that this character has been designed to use it; 18
str, 5 dex and 9 wis - he is banking on the extra saves from the
Paladin level to save him from his bad saves, while using the extra
points to make it worthwhile to swing. It may be good powergaming, but
it's certainly not something I would recommend for a newbie/first go
through the game.

Also Jukka's goal is to get super powerfull characters at the end of
HOF, this sometimes leaves them weak throughout the beginning of (and
sometimes even far into) normal mode - again not for the beginner.

Ps. In his second party the Holy Avenger goes to a Deep Gnome Rogue(2)
/ Monk of the Old Order(1) / Sorceror(1) / Fighter(2) / Paladin(1) /
Ranger(2) / Cleric of Helm(1) / Illusionist(20) over a Aasimar
Paladin(1) / Sorceror(29).

-- 
Regards
   Simon Nejmann