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In article <D0B81...@uceng.uc.edu>, cjoh...@uceng.uc.edu (Christopher Meem Jo
hnson) writes:
>In article <3bl8i9$2...@homer.alpha.net> jay...@earth.execpc.com (Jim Vieira) wr
ites:
>>Alistair Brown (A.D....@bradford.ac.uk) wrote:
>>
>>: The Hermit <s010...@cc.ysu.edu> writes:
>>: >The real question is, why does the Guardian want the avatar left alive?
>>: >There must be some reason why, when he has the avatar in the palm of his
>>: >hand, he doesn't just squeeze.


Assuming that IS his hand, and not just some inter-dimensional gate spell
disguised to LOOK like a hand (remember, we saw Big REd at the end of U7;
he was big, but not that huge).

>>
>>: Perhaps because that would be no fun at all?  Wouldn't the guardian really
>>: enjoy putting the avatar in a position where they think they're able to
>>: defeat the guardian... before bringing on his mother?
>>
>>I agree.  It seemed to me that the Guardian didn't want to kill the
>>Avatar, he just wanted to dump him off somewhere while he destroyed
>>Britannia.  I also think the Guardian knew that the Avatar would achieve
>>ultimate power on Pagan, and WANTED him to do so.  This way the Avatar
>>could return to Britannia (endgame U8) and see the destruction.  It also
>>would then allow for a more evenly matched final battle in U9.  This
>>is the type of logic I see in villians in stories and movies now and
>>then.  The bad guy is so confident that he is willing to risk it all just
>>to gloat over his victim.  But in the end, the victim outdoes him and wins.
>>

I agree that the Guardian wanted the Avatar to escape, but not for those
reasons. Remember, he was unable to enter Britannia without someone elses help.
(i.e. the Fellowship had to make him a black gate in u7, Batlin was supposed
to open the wall of lights for him in u7.5. There is no evidence that he
truely entered Britannia in Uw2 or during u8 -except at the end of the latter,
of course).
So he gets the Avatar to do it for him (nice evil twist there; make the HERO
do your dirty work for you). Since the Avatar is in limbo at the
end of u7.5, there's no problem capturing him. Big Red dumps him down into
Pagan, taunts the Avatar about how he is "destroying Britannia" and the
Avatar, the heroic little fool he is, opens a black(rock) gate to Britannia.
The Avatar gets through, but so does the Guardian.

(what about Uw2, you ask...when the Guardian fought his war on Britannian soil?
 No one opened the gate then! Of course, in UW2's endgame, Britannia looks
 fine, and no mention of the destruction in u7.5. The Guardian lied.)
(okay, fine, you say...But Britannia WAS destroyed by the end of U8!
Yeah, but we don't know how long the Avatar wandered about in the Hall of
Pillars; possibly enough time for the Guardian to get through and destroy the
Britannia. Besides, Britannia had already suffered cataclysm during U7.5)
(Finally, What about Pagan? Perhaps that world was worthless, drained to the
Guardian; no loss to him if the few survivors no longer worship him).

Comments?
>>--
>>                                              Jim Vieira
>>                                              jay...@earth.execpc.com
>>
>It's called meglomania (spelling?) absolutely everything has to be a grand
>scheme (Including Killing the Avatar).
>
>--Chris
>
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