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"freestone wilson" <frees...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> hi all.
>
> what is the deepest, rpg?
> ---  or even the most complicated or involved?!
>
>  Anthony E. Strozyk , in his remenising about old rpgs, wrote about
> "the good old days".   the old rpgs when "games were Games", a few
> days ago.!
>
> not clickfests.
> not linar paths.
> not dumbed down everythings....
>
> but what ARE they?   what games were like this, or
> maybe...[hope...hope...]
> or maybe, what games are like this today?

I played most CRPGs back in the "old days", and I think there' some
nostalgia clouding memory going on. Bard's Tale, Wizardry, the early
Ultimas, etc. were all very simple games with limited plots and
storytelling. Ultima 3 was somewhat more interesting but even the middle
Ultimas aren't nearly as deep as Fallout (which is relatively recent, all
things considered) or Planescape: Torment. I found Garriott's moralizing
sanctimonious even while I enjoyed the games. There was no grey in the
Ultimas until Black Gate. The only 1980s CRPG that had much depth that I can
remember is Wasteland.

Gameplay wise, Wizardry made good use of classes and level development but
the play was still limited. That is also true of the first Might & Magic
games. They were "involved" only in the sense that they lacked modern
conveniences like automaps.