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Gabriel Knight wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> im somewhere in the middle of playing Riven heres my
> problem....
> 
> I have been using the submarine to goto the diferent places I
> didnt goto the school yet, I got to the hanging contraption
> the one that is a sacrifice for the big fish and went up the
> cable but now I cant get back down it, the submarine is at the
> bottom of it and there is no other way to get to it. the 
> walkthrough here says I cant go back down, is this true? Is
> there a way down?
> 
> http://www.computerhope.com/wriven.htm
> 
> if not I will have to start over......that I dont want to do..
> 

I'm afraid I think your misgivings are correct.
A serious flaw in the logic of dad or granddad or whomever 
/wrote/ that underwater rail-system. But the whole family is all 
screwed up, ain't they?

You can't take anything with you when you go, so if you just want 
to access the school to learn what you need to learn there, you 
can load [005_I02_InSchool.rvn] from my savegames i've just 
uploaded here:

<http://rapidshare.com/files/374660650/MystIISaveGames.zip.html>

Then you can reload and continue on from your own temp savegame.
The 'Save as ...' option is a Good thing.


-- 
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    "Build it and they will come and break it"

Thanks for that Etal but while I was waiting for a reply I restarted the 
game from the begining and got all the way to the end I only had to cheat 
once because of the numbering system, it was for the number 15 I had trouble 
with.

Has anyone here actually learnt the D'ni language, its very complex to read 
it from the Myst 5 End of Ages book I got with my collectors edition, I 
should of read the book for the numbering system as it is there!

GK :)

> I'm afraid I think your misgivings are correct.
> A serious flaw in the logic of dad or granddad or whomever /wrote/ that 
> underwater rail-system. But the whole family is all screwed up, ain't 
> they?
>
> You can't take anything with you when you go, so if you just want to 
> access the school to learn what you need to learn there, you can load 
> [005_I02_InSchool.rvn] from my savegames i've just uploaded here:
>
> <http://rapidshare.com/files/374660650/MystIISaveGames.zip.html>
>
> Then you can reload and continue on from your own temp savegame.
> The 'Save as ...' option is a Good thing.
>
>
> -- 
>    Proverbs Unscrolled #37
>    "Build it and they will come and break it" 

Gabriel Knight wrote:

> Thanks for that Etal but while I was waiting for a reply I
> restarted the game from the begining and got all the way to
> the end I only had to cheat once because of the numbering
> system, it was for the number 15 I had trouble with.
> 

Yeah, it (and most adventure-games) goes much quicker going 
through a second time when one knows what to do. For me, i had to 
consult walkthrough-help at the stone-circle puzzle shortly after 
where you were. Many animals looked interchangeable, also hadn't 
been able to locate one of the stones.


> Has anyone here actually learnt the D'ni language, its very
> complex to read it from the Myst 5 End of Ages book I got with
> my collectors edition, I should of read the book for the
> numbering system as it is there!
> 

Not me anyway. I haven't played Myst V yet, nor do i have any 
book. I'm on a long hiatus from the series, got stopped in my 
progress while in some contraption underneath the planet-fragment 
in Myst IV. Too difficult, (was it another sound-puzzle?,) got 
too frustrated, so i moved on to other games ... but i should go 
back and get through it, even if i'll have to cheat. Someday..


-- 
"You're going down the road, baby, and you can't come back.
  Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry for me any more."

You mean you were able to play myst 4?? No matter what I do I cant get it to 
play smoothly enough, I get the 3 second wait when moving around the myst 
world so it makes playing it very slow and uncomfortable, what version are 
you playing and what is your pc specs? Mine is the 2 disk DVD set. I love 
the look of this game but sadly it wont play good on my rigs - some 4 
different pcs ive tried - they should make a patch. My main pc is a quad 
core.

GK

> Not me anyway. I haven't played Myst V yet, nor do i have any book. I'm on 
> a long hiatus from the series, got stopped in my progress while in some 
> contraption underneath the planet-fragment in Myst IV. Too difficult, (was 
> it another sound-puzzle?,) got too frustrated, so i moved on to other 
> games ... but i should go back and get through it, even if i'll have to 
> cheat. Someday..
>
>
> -- 
> "You're going down the road, baby, and you can't come back.
>  Someday baby, you ain't gonna worry for me any more." 

Gabriel Knight wrote:

> You mean you were able to play myst 4?? No matter what I do I
> cant get it to play smoothly enough, I get the 3 second wait
> when moving around the myst world so it makes playing it very
> slow and uncomfortable, what version are you playing and what
> is your pc specs? Mine is the 2 disk DVD set. I love the look
> of this game but sadly it wont play good on my rigs - some 4 
> different pcs ive tried - they should make a patch. My main pc
> is a quad core.
> 

I have one of these too now. I just re-installed the game on that 
machine to have a look-see.

2*DVD release of the game (Red Disk + Blue Disk)(2004-09-05). 
Probably version 1.00, but i didn't start the game before 
updating. Anyway, option during install i chose 'Complete' and i 
have just over 7 GB installed in the chosen install-directory.

While the 1.01 & 1.02 updates are about 40 MB each, the third 
1.03 update ([myst4_v1.0_to_v1.03_pc.exe] as downloaded from 
Ubisoft) is less then 16 MB and as their names suggests any one 
of them updates from the 1.0 (logically 1.00) base game. Today i 
used only the 1.03 one and it installed fine and ingame it says 
'v1.03' in the lower left on the menu screens.

Thus updated the game plays quite smoothly for me, even without 
installing the No-DVD update. There is a transition of something 
like a second or so when i move to a new node, but i think of it 
as that i'm walking there (not light-speed teleport there) so i 
think it works ok. (You have a distinct graphics-card on your 
main game-machine i take it, and not (only) an integrated variant?)

( Now, had you asked about Myst III without a No-DVD update, 
*that* was totally unplayable for me. Take one step then having 
to wait for the disk to spin up, look around from the new 
location and meanwhile the disk stopped spinning. Repeat this for 
every step in the game. Gee!, and the wear and tear... 
thankfully, we don't have to play it like that. )


> 
> ( someone unnamed wrote: )
> 
>> Not me anyway. I haven't played Myst V yet, nor do i have
>> any book. I'm on a long hiatus from the series, got stopped
>> in my progress while in some contraption underneath the
>> planet-fragment in Myst IV. Too difficult, (was it another
>> sound-puzzle?,) got too frustrated, so i moved on to other 
>> games ... but i should go back and get through it, even if
>> i'll have to cheat. Someday..
>> 

Someday apparently was/is today.

On reinstalling today, when  upping all the graphics-settings and 
checking other options i notice one can access a 'help map' with 
several hint-levels.. Never remembered that last time when i got 
sick of being stuck, will see if i need it now .. if i continue 
playing this game now.


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"Gabriel Knight" <fakeemail@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:4bc224ae$0$78573$c30e37c6@exi-reader.telstra.net...
> You mean you were able to play myst 4?? No matter what I do I cant get it 
> to play smoothly enough, I get the 3 second wait when moving around the 
> myst world so it makes playing it very slow and uncomfortable, what 
> version are you playing and what is your pc specs? Mine is the 2 disk DVD 
> set. I love the look of this game but sadly it wont play good on my rigs - 
> some 4 different pcs ive tried - they should make a patch. My main pc is a 
> quad core.
>
> GK
>

Dual or Quad core makes no difference if the program wasn't designed for it. 
I just got a new computer and for one the my games I had to alter the ini 
file to tell it to ignore multi-cores just to get it to run.

Chuck
 

Etal wrote:

> Gabriel Knight wrote:
> 
>> im somewhere in the middle of playing Riven heres my
>> problem....
>>
>> I have been using the submarine to goto the diferent places I
>> didnt goto the school yet, I got to the hanging contraption
>> the one that is a sacrifice for the big fish and went up the
>> cable but now I cant get back down it, the submarine is at the
>> bottom of it and there is no other way to get to it. the 
>> walkthrough here says I cant go back down, is this true? Is
>> there a way down?
>>
>> http://www.computerhope.com/wriven.htm
>>
>> if not I will have to start over......that I dont want to do..
>>
> 
> I'm afraid I think your misgivings are correct.
> A serious flaw in the logic of dad or granddad or whomever 
> /wrote/ that underwater rail-system. But the whole family is all 
> screwed up, ain't they?
> 

     Well, i happened to replay 'Myst II' the other day and 
noticed that the above answer is incorrect.

     The answer is to simply get off this island-fragment and 
come right back. Any time one return to this island-fragment from 
any of the other islands the submersible vehicle will have been 
reset back onto it's original perched position.

     So, ¿why does this happen?
   First i was thinking that one might imagine that while i, the 
player, is off on one of the other island-fragments that Gehn, 
somehow can access, uses the vehicle and then place it back up on 
its parked location.
   But that can't be, because it also happens if one later in the 
game, with the submersible in the inaccessible position, use the 
linking-book in the mini-dome to go to the lava-filled 
linking-hub world... where Gehn is just outside the building you 
link into and where you can call him to come inside. When one 
link back to the 'village-island' the location of the submersible 
will have been reset.
   I also don't think the natives, the villagers, have been 
taught/are allowed to use access/use the submersible, so i don't 
believe that 'resetting' is done by them.

     So, as i see it, there is an internal flaw in the 
game-logic, and it is this unlogic that allows us, the 
gameplayers, to always have access to the school, to be able to 
learn that which we need to learn there, without having to 
'cheat' either by reloading a savegame or by replaying from the 
start.


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