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Trent <Drumm...@REMOVETHISaol.com> escribi� en el mensaje de noticias
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> F r e e wrote:
> >
> > 1) Many role and FPS games use nazi-like or nazi symbolism: power,
magic,
> > blood&honor, aggresive eagles, skulls, runes and signs. In (more or
less)
> > historical games this doesn't matter. (BTW, i don't understand a f**k
why in
> > Germany and elsewhere they have troubles with Mortyr, where you have to
kill
> > the nazis).
>
> I'll bet a game where you kill KKK members wouldn't do well in southern
> United States.  It's not that people sympathize with Nazis or the klan,
> they just don't like to be reminded of it.  A lot of people in germany
> are very disturbed by their past.  I don't think the typical 75 year old
> German likes to think about what happened in their country 55 years
> ago.

I never thought about a Kill the KKK game, could be fun, but at least a game
like SWAT could have a mission...

Germany: many people try to forget, others think and talk more or less about
those times. With time the emotions will fade away, but nazi-germany will
always be a warning for the excesses of totalitarism. BTW, all countries
were founded with crime and bloodshed...! So people should start to think
like *individuals* not like nations, faiths or races!

>
> > 2) But i see a disgusting influence from those games that make the gamer
> > identify him/herself with those stupid simbolsim. That's creating
sympathy
> > for very unsympathic fantasies.
>
> Hmmm.  Except for some war sims where you play as Germans, I don't know
> of any games where you actually portray a Nazi.  Certainly no popular
> games have done this.  It would be VERY unpopular in any country.
>

Well, as anyone can read in "The culture of the right" of Furi, various
elements which were part of the fascist/far right/nationalism/nazism/church
etc., doctrine are still part of our western culture, because they parted
from the nastiest side of it. Many are not so obvious, but certainly they
exist. It depends on enveryone's own appreciation. This is not the place to
turn upside down our culture. Just consider that many people talk about
Starship Troopers or Star Wars E1, as a bit racist films. And Westerns...
Help!


> > 3) Specially, i don't like at all that the guys of Unreal have chosen
such a
> > svastika-like logo for Tournament.
> > 3 bis) I just remember Age of Empires, where some kinda priests had a
role,
> > which Hitler (and the Popes) would have loved (dominate by the power of
> > words). Unbelievable, Bil Gates the Atheist sells it!
>
> Lots of people besides Hitler have used propoganda to further their
> cause.

Are you saying: Unreal calls to buy it with the 'propaganda power' and
fascination of the svastika!!?? In my case, it's the contrary! I would have
liked something nicer than an "U" with 'hakenkreuz'.


> > 4) Considering that the *real* heroes that won the WWII and knew the
enemy
> > are getting very old, and considering the lack of historical
> > education/interest and evaluation of the youngest generation, the number
of
> > people that find the SS stuff, etc., fancy could increase, right?
>
> Probably.  Once all the people who were alive during the 1940's are
> dead, the Holocaust won't be so taboo.  And the stage will be set for it
> to happen all over again....
>

There should be no taboo to TALK, but a taboo to discriminate people for
their inexistent 'race'.

> >
> > I think we should email those game companies and tell them to put more
> > creativity in their games and to stop repeating old, disgusting fascist
> > symbols!
> >
>
> What companies?  Like I said, except for a war sims, I can't think of a
> single game that glorifies Nazis.  In Wolf3D, you kill them.  In Hidden
> and Dangerous, you kill them.  In the Indiana Jones games, you kill
> them.  In Commandos, you kill them.  In Red Alert, you try to kill
> Hitler.

Sure. These games are alright. I never reffered to *them*.