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On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:33:43 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:42:16 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
><rstow...@nevrhadgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:25:12 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
>><spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I didn't really start having
>>>fun with the game until Area 51, and that's like 90% into the game...
>>
>>To me, that's a sign of a bad game.  The whole point of games is
>>entertainment, and if the first 90% is not entertaining then it's not
>>worth my time to grind through just to see the last 10% that is.
>
>No, it's a sign that I was probably playing a game not suited to me. 

That's what I meant in that context, bad to the player.  It just
seemed like you were being easy on the game (i.e. calling it a game
that took effort to appreciate for example) relative to all the other
games you pan -- just wanted to let you know you don't have to hold
back just for DE or feel obligated to sugar coat things, tell us how
you really feel ;)

>>I always thought it was a highly overrated game.  DE:HR wasn't too
>>bad, but I've just come to accept that there is something about this
>>series that appeals strongly to others that is relatively
>>underwhelming to me.  To each his own I guess.
>
>DE:HR upped the action quotient and made the plot simpler and more
>accessible, doubtlessly because many people agreed with me that the
>original was a bit dry for their taste. Those changes took away from
>the uniqueness of the franchise but on the other hand it sold better
>(and ensured a sequel) so I guess it balances out ;-)

I don't believe a game should be dependent on the plot to be enjoyable
at all.  Games are to be played, which implies the gameplay itself
should be enjoyable first.  Plots can be found in books and movies,
and therefore are not a gameplay component.  They are more like icing
on the cake -- if the story is well executed (production values and
writing) and finds its audience (those who subjectively enjoy the
plot), then the value added can be high.  But, if a game is relying on
the plot as the sole reason the player should get involved with it,
it's on shaky ground.  

Maybe that's why I didn't care for Deus Ex?  I usually play a game
first and start paying attention to the story only if the gameplay has
pulled me in.