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Article #2072Re: *** HUGE NEWS ABOUT WINDOWS 95 ***
From: dav... Dave Glue
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 00:00
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 00:00
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King Neptune <dmo...@globalx.net> wrote: >I think it would be a cold day in hell before you and your industry pundits are proved >correct. Sure MS may have some problems with P6 performance, but don't doubt that Bill >Buddy could lull Big Blue to sleep again, and slip out Cairo. This is still up in the air. I was surprised to hear this, but instead of spamming the net in a "P6 Panic", I went to the Intel conference and asked an Intel representative. 16 bits apps will not take advantage of the P6's speed, on 95 or NT. 32 bit apps I was told however, DO take advantage of the P6 _under 95_. I think the PC Week article may have been speculation, Intel stated that the P6 does not run 16-bit code well, and since it is known that Win95 contains some 16 bit code, they may have assumed that Win95 will run poorly. Anyways, the Intel rep stated 32-bit apps under 95 and NT do show significant speed gains with the P6. With 95 however, it depends on the application. Some may call more 16-bit code, some may call less. To say Windows 95 is "mostly" 16 bit is riduclous however, it's actually mostly 32-bit. But the 16-bit portions can be critical in terms of speed. We'll see. To sum up: Lets wait until we get some actual benchmarks to panic. I don't hold the reasoning that this isn't a problem because you can "just go to NT", as NT resource requirements are still quite high compared to 95 and there is no guarantee it will run all 95 apps, specifically games. P6 may be priced for NT systems with 16 megs NOW, but as always, it will drop. And from past experience, I wouldn't be surprised to see RAM prices stay the same while the P6 costs half as much as its introduction. >interface. It is already in Beta from what I have heard. MS is also looking at the To clarify: Windows NT with the _95_ interface is in beta, and likely will be released very early '96. As for the object-oriented NT, MS stated some time ago that it would be a series of add-ons, rather than a large "Cairo" roll-out. >Bill buddy doesn't have the best marketing analyists working for him - because he does. >Bill is going to grab a major chunk of cash with this forward and backward WIN95 OS by >serving it up to the home market, and then tweek-up NT for the next generation of chips. What I don't get is how some people see this as a "conspiracy". Of course MS would like you to move to NT, it's a more robust OS, and its ability to work across Power PC/Mips/Alpha/Intel machines just widens MS's market. But MS's realizes it needs apps, and people just can't make the _large_ jump to NT. So 95 is created. It has compromises, but it works, and works well for most machines where NT wouldn't. You want to upgrade to NT? Do it when you get the hardware. There's nothing backhanded about this, it's serving your target markets while giving them an upgrade path they don't even have to _wait for_. Want a better Windows 95 when you get the hardware? No need to wait, it's already here! >the Bible...however, I find it hard to understand why an OS with portions of GDI and USER >in 16 bit having only 10% performance gain on a chip with twice the transistors? The # of transistors does not necessarily translate into performance gain. The problem is that by changing _modes_ of memory "prediction" in the P6 causes a large speed hit because of it's 14 pipelines, as compared to 6 in the P5. Don't quote me on any technical details however. >same problem, if it runs 16 bit apps on a P6 and yes 16 bit apps will dominate for >sometime. I question this actually. With MS releasing a 32-bit version of office with 95, and 16-bit apps performing (already) quite poorly under NT, it's not in a companies best competitive interests to release a 16-bit app when it likely will be raked through the coals in PC reviews and suffer against the competitions 32-bit apps. MS sets the standard here, and they'll be the ones out the door first with 32-bit apps. Others will follow if they want to survive.
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