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JORDAN  SPENSER AARON wrote:
] >You know a provider that doesn't agree to Microsoft's deals? 
] >Please Tell!

] Well, heres a company that does agree to Microsoft; not because
] they have too, but because they wouldn't sell very many computers
] without Windows pre-installed: IBM.

So, IBM is a provider that doesn't agree to MS's preloading deals? 
Were you trying to answer the question or just dilly-dallying?

] Now if IBM were smart, they would have some Aptivas there with OS/2
] on it.  Then [...]

You think IBM wouldn't have done this, if it would work?

] >] Look, the obvious thing to most people is that Gateway is just
] >] one of hundreds of suppliers of PC's.  You don't like the fact
] >] that they bundle Windows with the computers?  You look for
] >] another manufacturer.
] >
] >One of hundereds, that all agree to Microsoft's terms --so you can
] >still shop around on the best deal, but it's still a deal where MS
] >gets the money for something you didn't buy (or whatever their
] >scam is now that the Justice Department has "warned" them).
] >
] >As in, you can move to a different part of the country, but you
] >still have city water (just a different city!). Duh.
] >
] >] If I don't like the water they city provides or the eletricity
] >] supplied by CMP, realistically speaking, I *don't* have a choice
] >] in the matter (except by byzantine ways involving a ballot box,
] >] and even that doesn't usually work!).

] The public water/electricity is a close analogy, but I don't think
] correct.  Hey, if you don't want to buy a PC with Windows because,
] "YOUR BEING FORCED TO," buy a fucking MAC.

No, that's like saying I should buy bottled water --a MAC just isn't
what I want, because it doesn't run the pc games I want to play, it
doesn't run OS/2 or Linux or FreeBSD or NetBSD or Mach or Plan 9 or
386BSD or NeXTstep, each of which I might want to use.  I want an IBM
PC-style computer, but I don't want Windows --why should I be made to
pay for it, even if it doesn't come preloaded?
  Back to my analogy, I want water that comes out of the faucet, that
gets to my house through pipes instead of me going out to the store
and buying it --but if the water company says they won't give me
water unless I agree to let them put a camera in my home (replace
with any other unreasonable demand), why should that be okay?

] Or, like in my case, I could have asked DELL to pre-install OS/2
] with my P90.

And pay for Windows, even if you don't have it pre-installed.

] >Again, for computers you don't realistically have a choice either,
] >because the vendors don't realistically have a choice.  Microsoft is
] >the monopoly, like city water.  If Gateway refuses to drink water,
] >they die.  Because they have no choice (realistically) neither do
] >you.

] No Microsoft isn't a monopoly, but yes Gateway would die if they didn't 
] pre-install Windows.  Because many OS/2 idiots like you don't understand 
] that most people in this world prefer Windows over OS/2.

Oh?  You know me pretty well, huh?  If anything, you could call me a
Plan 9 freak, but not an OS/2 idiot, anyhow! (Plan 9 is a new OS
developed by At&t Bell Labs that is really good, unlike the movie). 
So anyway, Gateway would die if they didn't install windows --they
have no choice (after all, why in God's name would a company agree to
MS's unreasonable demands if they didn't have to?).  And if the
people you buy from have no choice in the matter, how can you?

] >] It's not that hard to find a vendor who will accomodate your
] >] special need in the PC world.

Yet nobody can think of an example?  Nobody knows of a vendor that
doesn't agree to MS's demands?  Looks like I was right!

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