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"Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote in message 
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> So I recently returned to the game and have been farming rep and timeless 
> coins + 2 first wings in soo/lfr.  that's it.  But that yu'lon's trinket 
> is a _535_ thing.  And with 31k coins in the wallet so... :)
>
> I know crit isnt a useful stat for arcane mages.  But doesnt it give me a 
> dps increase no matter what even after reforged to mastery or even haste?

Trinkets are really meant for situation, they aren't either/or , swap them 
for current needs.

thats really the only point of the post, the rest is ignorable


Second, since I am here anyway , I know the very old game ,  the numbers are 
vague and possibly very wrong.
I don't know you can reforge procs?

The second reforged gives ~50% less overall int but has a semi regular 
medium length burst if you have good reactions and things to apply.
  Depends how much hit you have and can afford to lose , left as hit it is 
~20% average int not counting using the burst and crits on that.

For consistent and higher int the first seems better.

Personally with lag or a lot of thing happening I would usually go for 
consistency, missing a proc peak is worse loss than a few percent average 
missing.

Den 06-11-2013 01:51, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:

> I don't know you can reforge procs?

My brain was on auto-pilot when I wrote above.  Of course I cant reforge 
the yulon trinket. :)

>
> The second reforged gives ~50% less overall int but has a semi regular
> medium length burst if you have good reactions and things to apply.
>    Depends how much hit you have and can afford to lose , left as hit it is
> ~20% average int not counting using the burst and crits on that.
>
> For consistent and higher int the first seems better.
>
> Personally with lag or a lot of thing happening I would usually go for
> consistency, missing a proc peak is worse loss than a few percent average
> missing.

True.  I just looted the blazing chest and got a timeless curio and the 
almost guaranteed burden of eternity.  But I consider using the the 
burden thing on a timeless signet as my second ring is an upgraded 516 
(522) item.  Everything else besides the 510 wushoolay trinket is pre5.4 
530/543 gear.  Hmmhmmmmm...

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 06-11-2013 07:17, Peter T. skrev:
> Den 06-11-2013 01:51, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:
>
>> I don't know you can reforge procs?
>
> My brain was on auto-pilot when I wrote above.  Of course I cant reforge
> the yulon trinket. :)
>
>>
>> The second reforged gives ~50% less overall int but has a semi regular
>> medium length burst if you have good reactions and things to apply.
>>    Depends how much hit you have and can afford to lose , left as hit
>> it is
>> ~20% average int not counting using the burst and crits on that.
>>
>> For consistent and higher int the first seems better.
>>
>> Personally with lag or a lot of thing happening I would usually go for
>> consistency, missing a proc peak is worse loss than a few percent average
>> missing.
>
> True.  I just looted the blazing chest and got a timeless curio and the
> almost guaranteed burden of eternity.  But I consider using the the
> burden thing on a timeless signet as my second ring is an upgraded 516
> (522) item.  Everything else besides the 510 wushoolay trinket is pre5.4
> 530/543 gear.  Hmmhmmmmm...

Btw!  I've read that I should be able to cross the broken bridge to the 
Ordon Sanctuary when I wear the legendary ilvl600 cloak which I have.  I 
cant cross it.  Why?  Have I misunderstood something?  Do I do something 
wrong?  Do I need a click a big red button or what? :)


-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:27:42 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Btw!  I've read that I should be able to cross the broken bridge to the 
>Ordon Sanctuary when I wear the legendary ilvl600 cloak which I have.  I 
>cant cross it.  Why?  Have I misunderstood something?  Do I do something 
>wrong?  Do I need a click a big red button or what? :)

You should just get flown over when you walk up to the broken end of
the bridge. No need to wear the cloak btw, or even possess it on the
character, so long as *one* of your characters has it - my alts get
flown over as well. You have to walk right up to the end though, so
perhaps you just aren't going close enough to the trigger spot?

Den 06-11-2013 12:07, Catriona R skrev:
>
> On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:27:42 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
>
>> Btw!  I've read that I should be able to cross the broken bridge to the
>> Ordon Sanctuary when I wear the legendary ilvl600 cloak which I have.  I
>> cant cross it.  Why?  Have I misunderstood something?  Do I do something
>> wrong?  Do I need a click a big red button or what? :)
>
> You should just get flown over when you walk up to the broken end of
> the bridge. No need to wear the cloak btw, or even possess it on the
> character, so long as *one* of your characters has it - my alts get
> flown over as well. You have to walk right up to the end though, so
> perhaps you just aren't going close enough to the trigger spot?

Odd.  I cant.  I stay in the middle of the path and keep running to the 
edge.  And dooooooooown. :)  A guildie came by and he jumped over the 
bridge as expected.  But he cant jump back as supposed.  So something 
may be bugged on my realm.  I'll ticket blizzard.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:24:09 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 06-11-2013 12:07, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:27:42 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Btw!  I've read that I should be able to cross the broken bridge to the
>>> Ordon Sanctuary when I wear the legendary ilvl600 cloak which I have.  I
>>> cant cross it.  Why?  Have I misunderstood something?  Do I do something
>>> wrong?  Do I need a click a big red button or what? :)
>>
>> You should just get flown over when you walk up to the broken end of
>> the bridge. No need to wear the cloak btw, or even possess it on the
>> character, so long as *one* of your characters has it - my alts get
>> flown over as well. You have to walk right up to the end though, so
>> perhaps you just aren't going close enough to the trigger spot?
>
>Odd.  I cant.  I stay in the middle of the path and keep running to the 
>edge.  And dooooooooown. :)  A guildie came by and he jumped over the 
>bridge as expected.  But he cant jump back as supposed.  So something 
>may be bugged on my realm.  I'll ticket blizzard.

He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
know the difference!

Could also be worth trying stopping at the edge and not keeping
running, if you're a bit laggy perhaps you're already falling and it
doesn't get a chance to notice you there. You've probably tried that
too though!

Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:

> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
> know the difference!

After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary 
cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)

I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility incoming...


-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On 11/6/2013 9:12 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
>> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
>> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
>> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
>> know the difference!
>
> After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary
> cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)
>
> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility
> incoming...
>
>


ah, yup - that'd do it.  The legendary is the cloak you get at the 
(nearly) end of the wrathion quest line.  Put it in a nut shell, if you 
collected all your sigils, tokens, secrets, thunder forge scenario, the 
spec driven fight with one of the 4 celestials, the collection of 
another 12 somethings, then defeat all 4 celestials on the Waste of 
Time, I mean...Time lost Island  (all with quests that direct you along 
the way) do you go back to Wrathion and get your legendary cloak....

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 15:12:39 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
>> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
>> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
>> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
>> know the difference!
>
>After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary 
>cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)
>
>I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility incoming...

That might explain it :-) Go and talk to Wrathion again, else check
your questlog and see if you're already on the rest of the chain,
hopefully there won't be a whole lot left for you to do!

"Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote in message 
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> Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
>> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
>> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
>> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
>> know the difference!
>
> After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary 
> cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)

You don't just get one, it is Legendary, meaning you have a legendary amount 
of time to spend one it.
I thought that was the case , i,e, you were a grind monkey,  when you said 
you had it after only starting again recently.

>
> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility 
> incoming...

No thats just normal, so many things to do-oh , so little time.

All that happened is you raised a little hope infestation
without realising it you hoped it would be simple ,
with enough hope you slip into a coma of assumption

experience tell us Hope just means you don't understand the situation

:-) 

Den 06-11-2013 23:29, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:
> "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote in message
> news:l5diom$9oo$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>>> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
>>> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
>>> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
>>> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
>>> know the difference!
>>
>> After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary
>> cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)
>
> You don't just get one, it is Legendary, meaning you have a legendary amount
> of time to spend one it.
> I thought that was the case , i,e, you were a grind monkey,  when you said
> you had it after only starting again recently.
>
>>
>> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility
>> incoming...
>
> No thats just normal, so many things to do-oh , so little time.
>
> All that happened is you raised a little hope infestation
> without realising it you hoped it would be simple ,
> with enough hope you slip into a coma of assumption
>
> experience tell us Hope just means you don't understand the situation
>
> :-)

Its a pleasure to read your comments. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 06-11-2013 16:29, IYM skrev:

>> After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary
>> cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)
>>
>> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility
>> incoming...
>
>
> ah, yup - that'd do it.  The legendary is the cloak you get at the
> (nearly) end of the wrathion quest line.  Put it in a nut shell, if you
> collected all your sigils, tokens, secrets, thunder forge scenario, the
> spec driven fight with one of the 4 celestials, the collection of
> another 12 somethings, then defeat all 4 celestials on the Waste of
> Time, I mean...Time lost Island  (all with quests that direct you along
> the way) do you go back to Wrathion and get your legendary cloak....

Two celestials down so far.  Im on a small server so the worldbosses 
here has their pretty long breaks between the fights. :)  But youre 
right.  After spending maybe 15 hours on waste of time I have realized 
this island IS an unavoidable waste of time.  Geez...  I cant see any 
reason to farm rep for Shaohao unless there are better rewards than the 
rep oddities from the Shaohao QM.  I hit friendly status with Shaohao 
yesterday.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 07-11-2013 07:31, Peter T. skrev:

> Two celestials down so far.  Im on a small server so the worldbosses
> here has their pretty long breaks between the fights. :)  But youre
> right.  After spending maybe 15 hours on waste of time I have realized
> this island IS an unavoidable waste of time.  Geez...  I cant see any
> reason to farm rep for Shaohao unless there are better rewards than the
> rep oddities from the Shaohao QM.  I hit friendly status with Shaohao
> yesterday.

Oh well.  I will keep farming coins for the 535 crit trinket unless I 
get a better in this friday's flexi party.  And the other trinket with a 
free teleport to the island is a target too so I can set my HS to 
another place (meh are mage, you know). :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 07:31:52 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

> I cant see any 
>reason to farm rep for Shaohao unless there are better rewards than the 
>rep oddities from the Shaohao QM.  I hit friendly status with Shaohao 
>yesterday.

It's just one for completists I reckon... which is why I can't
understand why it's 100% permacamped to the point where it's a waste
of time even trying on my server lol. I know it's a high pop server
and we have a few collectors, but I don't get why there's so very
many, even over a month in! My plan is to do it sometime next
expansion, when it quietens down a bit (and I can manage to kill the
elites without getting one-shot :-P)

Den 07-11-2013 11:22, Catriona R skrev:

>> I cant see any
>> reason to farm rep for Shaohao unless there are better rewards than the
>> rep oddities from the Shaohao QM.  I hit friendly status with Shaohao
>> yesterday.
>
> It's just one for completists I reckon...

Thats my thought too.  Once I have my trinkets I wont visit the island 
again unless someone is forming a raid for the worldbosses there.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 12:15:48 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 07-11-2013 11:22, Catriona R skrev:
>
>>> I cant see any
>>> reason to farm rep for Shaohao unless there are better rewards than the
>>> rep oddities from the Shaohao QM.  I hit friendly status with Shaohao
>>> yesterday.
>>
>> It's just one for completists I reckon...
>
>Thats my thought too.  Once I have my trinkets I wont visit the island 
>again unless someone is forming a raid for the worldbosses there.

Don't blame you :-) I'm a completist type so I have plenty reasons to
still go, but I'm taking a break atm, been playing with alts and
transmog sets this week, because there's limits to how long I can
spend camping rares for pets which never drop before I go mad ;-)

Den 07-11-2013 13:00, Catriona R skrev:

>> Thats my thought too.  Once I have my trinkets I wont visit the island
>> again unless someone is forming a raid for the worldbosses there.
>
> Don't blame you :-) I'm a completist type so I have plenty reasons to
> still go, but I'm taking a break atm, been playing with alts and
> transmog sets this week, because there's limits to how long I can
> spend camping rares for pets which never drop before I go mad ;-)

Im not really a completist.  Nonetheless I have hit exalted on every 
faction in Panda World.  But this isle... :)
Well.  Its different for me now.  Before I took a break in august I was 
online like 5-12 hours a day.  Now I maybe play 1-3 hours every second 
day.  Tomorrow its flexi raid (new for me) and Im actually quite fine 
with not playing that much.  A "slight" change in my priorities. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 06-11-2013 15:12, Peter T. skrev:
> Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
>> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
>> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
>> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
>> know the difference!
>
> After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary
> cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)
>
> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility
> incoming...

I'm flyyyyiiiing!  And then I almost landed in the middle of a Ordos 
fight.  Just won gold though.  But at least I have the legendary cloak 
now. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:26:13 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 06-11-2013 15:12, Peter T. skrev:
>> Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>>> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
>>> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
>>> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
>>> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
>>> know the difference!
>>
>> After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary
>> cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)
>>
>> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility
>> incoming...
>
>I'm flyyyyiiiing!  And then I almost landed in the middle of a Ordos 
>fight.  Just won gold though.  But at least I have the legendary cloak 
>now. :)

Congrats! :-D Hopefully he'll give you something better next week - I
got bracers my first ever time fighting him and double gold every week
since lol (given his gear's ilvl compared with LFR gear it's a
nobrainer to use a coin on him every week for me :-)), only exception
was the week he gave me... another pair of bracers. *Sigh* :-P

Den 13-11-2013 14:54, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:

>>> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility
>>> incoming...
>>
>> I'm flyyyyiiiing!  And then I almost landed in the middle of a Ordos
>> fight.  Just won gold though.  But at least I have the legendary cloak
>> now. :)
>
> I was wrong.
> You are not just any grind monkey.
> I see now you you are SunWuKong   King of all grind monkeys!
> Genuflect, bow , abase, scrape, scrabble away backwards averting gaze lest
> the magnificence wither our eyes..
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong#Havoc_in_the_Heavenly_Kingdom
>
> Kind of appropriate in Pandaria :-)
> Seriously, a week?

hehe..  More like 2 weeks.  I went back to panda world oct 31th. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

"Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote in message 
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> Den 06-11-2013 15:12, Peter T. skrev:
>> Den 06-11-2013 15:08, Catriona R skrev:
>>
>>> He's not supposed to jump back I don't think, at least I've never been
>>> able to, it's a one-way thing. Are you sure you have the legendary 608
>>> cloak and not the epic lvl 600? Probably a really stupid question, but
>>> it's the only obvious explanation I can see, although I'm sure you do
>>> know the difference!
>>
>> After a closer look.  Its the epic 600 one I have.  Is there a legendary
>> cloak too? ^^  Whats the name of it and where do I get one? :)
>>
>> I was pretty damn sure it was the legendary one I had.  senility
>> incoming...
>
> I'm flyyyyiiiing!  And then I almost landed in the middle of a Ordos 
> fight.  Just won gold though.  But at least I have the legendary cloak 
> now. :)

I was wrong.
You are not just any grind monkey.
I see now you you are SunWuKong   King of all grind monkeys!
Genuflect, bow , abase, scrape, scrabble away backwards averting gaze lest 
the magnificence wither our eyes..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong#Havoc_in_the_Heavenly_Kingdom

Kind of appropriate in Pandaria :-)
Seriously, a week?

Den 13-11-2013 14:20, Catriona R skrev:

> Congrats! :-D

Thanks, Cat. :)

> Hopefully he'll give you something better next week - I
> got bracers my first ever time fighting him and double gold every week
> since lol (given his gear's ilvl compared with LFR gear it's a
> nobrainer to use a coin on him every week for me :-)), only exception
> was the week he gave me... another pair of bracers. *Sigh* :-P

Well I joined a raid for the celestials for the first time last week. 
The tier gloves dropped for me so I spent a coin and hoped for the 
panties.  Got another pair of tier gloves.  And today I got a third pair 
of gloves and gold on my coin roll!  So...  Oh well.  That was 4 pieces 
of the new spirit of wars when I DEed them. :)
Anyway!  This legendary cloak really is a true dps increase.  As an 
arcane mage I wont lie if I talk about maybe 25% increase in dps.  I 
talked to one of my old guildies about the cloak (pala dps) and he told 
me he got a rough 10% dps increase.  I dont have much empirical data so 
as I only have played for 2 weeks.  So 25% increase is maybe a bit too 
much.  But it feels like it.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>