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Article #353262Re: Lightspeed constant...
From: ber... Danny Bersch
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:00
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:00
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In article <SHESS.96N...@howard.one.net>, sh...@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: #]The speed of light is not a "humans will never break the speed of #]light". The speed of light in a vacuum, c, is a property of our #]universe, like pi or e. You _cannot_ go faster than the speed of #]light while remaining in our universe. <SNIP> Perhaps more correctly stated, "The speed of light in a vacuum, c, *appears to be* a property of our universe, like pi or e. Current popular theory predicts that one _cannot_ go faster than the speed of light while remaining in our universe." #]To be even more specific, back when the speed of sound was fast, all #]velocity and acceleration equations worked fine past the speed of #]sound. It's just that nobody figured you could actually ever _go_ #]that fast. They could still figure out what accelerations would be #]necessary to push a given mass past the speed of sound, at least in #]theory. Yup. And they could calculate the energy necessary to push a given mass past the speed of light as well ...... at least in the theory of the day. #]This isn't really a matter of opinion. <SNIP> #]I can just prove that YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE! Can you *really* prove it? If so, let's send all those erudite physics weenies home. The job is done. Or is it that what you can do is to derive the current theory and spread your derivations (complete with all the required assumptions) before us for our perusal? Science seeks to understand and predict, and to that end, we create models (theories) that we believe will let us extrapolate from what we know to what we would like to understand. As such, our theories are molded as much by that which we would like to understand as by the nature of the physical universe. Newton was exactly correct, for his day, as was Ptolemy. Both modeled what was known and predicted what was needed. *Proof*, we must remember, has a temporal aspect to it. #][I had a roomate who once would start a conversation with something #]like "But let's say you _could_ go faster than the speed of light." #]How can you start a conversation by invoking magic? Yeah, it would be like starting a conversation around the turn of the century with, "let's say there was a limit to the speed of light...." How could you have started a conversation by invoking magic? What use could it possible have been. But, ya know, there were some folks doing just that: Einstien, Planck, Bohr, ..... #]I just wonder why people so seldom say things like "What if pi was #]exactly 3.5?" or "What if e was 3.1415926...?" or "What if i was not #]imaginary?" Yeah, imagine where we'd be ..... Actually, these are not that absurd. The semiconductor industry, for years, used the equivalence (1 mil) = (0.025 micron). When device geometries were on the order of a mil or two and error was 5%, this was close enough. Pi comes from the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. The ancients could have chosen the inverse ratio and given pi a value nearer 0.31831, and the universe would still have unfolded as it should. EE's tend to use 'j' for the "imaginary" axis, rather than 'i'. Who knows, perhaps the theory would be easier to learn if we considered the axis to be the frequency axis rather than a "make-believe" axis. To paraphrase Asimov, "The great discoveries of the world are seldom heralded by a cry of "Eureka!!" (I have found it) but by a phrase more like, "Gee, that's funny." Historically, the world has advanced more from the discoveries of those who questioned the popular wisdom than by those who had accepted it. Danny -- ======================================================================== Danny Bersch | There is only one basic human right, the right Motorola | to do as you damn well please. And with it SPS, LATG, ATO, SST | comes the only basic human duty, the duty to ber...@sst.sps.mot.com | take the consequences. -P.J. O'Rourke ========================================================================
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From: ber...@sst.sps.mot.com (Danny Bersch) Subject: Re: Lightspeed constant... Date: 1996/11/12 Message-ID: <56ae8o$fb3@newsgate.sps.mot.com> X-Deja-AN: 196031175 references: <SHESS.96Nov12094002@howard.one.net> organization: Motorola Strategic Systems Technology, LATG reply-to: ber...@sst.sps.mot.com newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup,comp.multimedia,comp.graphics.animation,alt.games.doom,alt.games.descent,alt.games.warcraft,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,alt.fan.bill-gates,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.security.misc,comp.security.unix,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,news.admin.policy,fr.comp.windows.drivers,alt.windows95,soc.culture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit