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"chocolatemalt" <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> wrote:

> There is nothing in a DHK system that would prevent the massive 
> dishonorable behavior that you describe.  In a sense, it rewards it... 
> if you want to play the evil character, the game adjusts your "honor" to 
> show that.  It could even go into negative territory and generate 
> faction rewards for whoever kills you.  What confuses me is your 
> insistence on keeping all your "honor points" when ganking players 40 
> levels below you.  I'm inclined to insert a Meriam-Webster definition of 
> "honor" here.

Killing a level 20 as a level 60 _can_ be honorful. For example: When I'm
doing a raid and charge into the defenders and kill a level 20 that's is
whacking me (along with 20 other people), there's nothing unhonorable in
that. Should I have to worry about it and stop charging into enemy lines
as soon as there's a low level?
Just think about how to determine whether killing a low level is
dishonorable or honorable. If you're realistic, there's no way an
algorithm can do it.

> More questions I have to ask:  Do you think the current system of 
> variable honor points based on level, and < lvl 48 being zero honor for 
> lvl 60's is a mistake?  Perhaps all players should be worth bigtime 
> honor to all other players, regardless of level difference?  Afterall, 
> isn't the current system "robbing players their entire freedom" to earn 
> HK's by killing any other players?
> 
> Also, there is a DHK system now for killing low level NPC's.

Civilians, not low levels. It has been implemented to keep people
from killing quest giving or vendoring NPCs, not to keep them from
killing low level NPCs.

> This is 
> clearly another onerous restriction, no?  Is it ruining the game that 
> Blizzard put this in?  I want to be able to slaughter all those lvl 15 
> quest givers and innkeepers without any DHK because it's restricting my 
> freedom of choice to decide whether or not to be dishonorable.
> 
> Or maybe, just maybe... the "honor" score I have is a *measure* of that 
> behavior?  Huh, what an idea!  Kill even-level or higher-level players, 
> earn HK.  Gank much lower-level players, i.e. act dishonorably, lose 
> Honor Points.  It seems almost too logical.

The honor points system is, sorry, bullshit. It's nice to engage people
in PvP, but it has nothing to do with honor and it's far away from
being accurate. It's basically a body count system with some
restrictions. If you think it reflects a players "honor", you're wrong.
If you think it should be able to do this, well... good luck. I'd be
very interested in seeing how blizzard would want to figure out whether
a kill is honarable or dishonarable.

> I think Blizzard had this idea all along and are still working out the 
> game machanics.  I wouldn't be surprised to see player-DHK implemented 
> in an upcoming patch, just as NPC DHK's were.

Ok, if your imagination isn't good enough, I'll help it a bit:
- You will see low levels raid and zerg enemy towns
- You will see high levels completely retreating from any PvP outside
  of Battlegrounds
- You won't see anyone with a rank higher > 6 after some weeks
IF that would be implemented. But that would seriously surprise me.

Chris

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