🚀 go-pugleaf

u and all the other chumps err id fans out there

(ps ill be upgrading for d3) :DDD im one too.

sno

"Wesley" <�����@������.com> wrote in message
news:dziwa.5204$DP4.60626@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
performance
> but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
> end of my road with PC.
>
> DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>
> I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
TAKE
> OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>
> NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>
> PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
> GAMES...THOUGH.
>
>
>

On Wed, 14 May 2003 03:17:29 GMT, "Wesley" <¤¤¤¤¤@¤¤¤¤¤¤.com> shouted
in AOL fashion:

>I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best performance
>but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
>end of my road with PC.
>
>DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>
Doom 3 on an P3 733 and a GF3 and you get to control it with not just
the worst controller for playing FPS games, a gamepad, but you get to
play it with the worst gamepad ever. I think I will stick to the PC
thanks.

>I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE TAKE
>OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>
There are a lot of good console games I would like to see on the PC,
but I can't handle looking at the crap graphics of the consoles
compared to my PC.

>NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>
You think? No I guess you don't.

DeadDred(ShaMaN)

You dont say what your pc spec`s are but the leak version of
Doom 3 ran ok on mine 2 gig xp with a gf4 ti in it....;-)

--

�-=M�g�mix����=-




"Wesley" <�����@������.com> wrote in message
news:dziwa.5204$DP4.60626@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
performance
> but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
> end of my road with PC.
>
> DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>
> I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
TAKE
> OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>
> NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>
> PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
> GAMES...THOUGH.
>
>
>


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"Wesley" <�����@������.com> wrote in
news:dziwa.5204$DP4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 

> I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
> performance but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal
> II...........DOOM III seem end of my road with PC.
> 
> DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
> 
> I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2
> ARE TAKE OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
> 
> NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
> 
> PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES,
> MULTIPLAYER GAMES...THOUGH.
> 
> 
> 

"-=Megamix=-" <Im_...@home.co.uk> wrote in message
news:J6wwa.312$LO1.208@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> You dont say what your pc spec`s are but the leak version of
> Doom 3 ran ok on mine 2 gig xp with a gf4 ti in it....;-)
>
> --
>
> �-=M�g�mix����=-

My PC

1.3 CELERON
512 RAM
GF 4 MX 440
SB AWE 64

I'm stuck with old motherboard because of ISA (long story)

Heard it all before..  My nephew, "Im gonna get the xbox, and not have to
worry about upgrading...".  Now he has both, couldnt stand the gameplay on
ut2003 and a handful of other fps.  Go ahead, buy it.  You'll eventually be
upgrading your pc if you take your killing serious.  ;-)

~Coyote


"Wesley" <�����@������.com> wrote in message
news:dziwa.5204$DP4.60626@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
performance
> but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
> end of my road with PC.
>
> DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>
> I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
TAKE
> OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>
> NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>
> PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
> GAMES...THOUGH.

"Wesley" <�����@������.com> schreef in bericht
news:dziwa.5204$DP4.60626@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
performance
> but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
> end of my road with PC.
>
> DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>
> I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
TAKE
> OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>
> NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>
> PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
> GAMES...THOUGH.
>

Say`s someone who thinks that this parts makes a gamemachine :

1.3 CELERON
GF 4 MX 440

(Buy another keyboard too ,youre Caps lock-key keeps hanging)

Grtz,
Rob.

"Rob Pronk" <goss...@hotmail.com> dribbled from his mortal lips
[snip]
> 
> (Buy another keyboard too ,youre Caps lock-key keeps hanging)
> 
> Grtz,
> Rob.
> 
> 
> 


funny... 

but i'm also struggling to find why this was crossposted to the ut2003 
group? if only they could make a new keyboard that... nevermind.

-ph (previously meatloaf)

Wesley wrote:
> My PC
>
> 1.3 CELERON
> 512 RAM
> GF 4 MX 440
> SB AWE 64
>
> I'm stuck with old motherboard because of ISA (long story)

Sticking with the last of the great Creative cards? Probably something I
should've done myself instead of buying the utterly, UTTERLY worthless SB128
and SB Live!.

Here's a hint: Dump the souped-up GF2. A GF4 MX is about as good for gaming
as a ripe halibut. Get a REAL GF4, like a Ti4200.

--
DW's PSO Ep1&2 characters
Sasami (L121 REDRIA FOnewearl)
Sakura (L101 PINKAL RAmarl)
Chibi Moon (L36 VIRIDIA HUnewearl)
Minako (L5 ORAN FOnewearl)

> Wesley wrote:
> > My PC
> >
> > 1.3 CELERON
> > 512 RAM
> > GF 4 MX 440
> > SB AWE 64
> >
> > I'm stuck with old motherboard because of ISA (long story)
>
> Sticking with the last of the great Creative cards? Probably something I
> should've done myself instead of buying the utterly, UTTERLY worthless
SB128
> and SB Live!.

WOW!!! You got that right in the head. I've been use with SB128 & SB Live &
SB VIBRA 128 & other PCI cards I'm not happy with them all. I ABSOLUTE LOVE
SB AWE 64!!!

I've got meself got 4 SB AWE 64 :) on my 3 PCs and one for back up :) so
that why I'm stuck with ISA motherboard...

I'm told there NEW mainboard for ISA users - SY-P4I 845PE ISA
http://www.soyousa.com/commerce/proddesc.php?id=194

I'm serious about to buy that :)

"Wesley" <¤¤¤¤¤@¤¤¤¤¤¤.com> sayeth: 

>I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best performance
>but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
>end of my road with PC.
>
>DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>
>I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE TAKE
>OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!

 Just one quick question: How will you use add on
levels and TCs?

>
>NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>
>PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
>GAMES...THOUGH.
>
>

XBOX, PS2 and Gamecube will ALL HAVE Internet adaptors very shortly...

amen

"Educron" <sorry_this_is_not_valid@#.#> wrote in message
news:au9jcvs2ftfgm8flgp2u33jq1qgie5ko67@4ax.com...
> "Wesley" <�����@������.com> sayeth:
>
> >I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
performance
> >but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
> >end of my road with PC.
> >
> >DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
> >
> >I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
TAKE
> >OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>
>  Just one quick question: How will you use add on
> levels and TCs?
>
> >
> >NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
> >
> >PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
> >GAMES...THOUGH.
> >
> >
>

"Revoltix" <revo...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bacm52$rqo$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> XBOX, PS2 and Gamecube will ALL HAVE Internet adaptors very shortly...
>
> amen

yes i believe you....

amen...

Wesley wrote:

>"Revoltix" <revo...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:bacm52$rqo$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>  
>
>>XBOX, PS2 and Gamecube will ALL HAVE Internet adaptors very shortly...
>>
>>amen
>>    
>>
>
>yes i believe you....
>
>amen...
>
>
>
>  
>
If you had a console that would run at high resolutions on an HDTV, had 
an ethernet port in the back and I could use a mouse and KB with I might 
be interested.
I haven't touched one since I had a Sega Genesis, can online console 
gaming be made secure from cheats (for some reason I could see this as 
another big selling point), I'd think it would be somewhat easier than 
on a PC.   It seems less likely one could get some cheesy bot code 
executing in the background on a console, though I don't doubt there's a 
way to do it.

-- 
"It is an easy thing, for men to be deceived, by the specious name of Libertie."

Steve [Inglo]

> If you had a console that would run at high resolutions on an HDTV, had
> an ethernet port in the back and I could use a mouse and KB with I might
> be interested.
> I haven't touched one since I had a Sega Genesis, can online console
> gaming be made secure from cheats (for some reason I could see this as
> another big selling point), I'd think it would be somewhat easier than
> on a PC.   It seems less likely one could get some cheesy bot code
> executing in the background on a console, though I don't doubt there's a
> way to do it.

If someone did anage to work a cheat into the console game then it would
spell disaster for the game especially if it were as net-orientated as Q3.I
guess all the anti-cheatig measures would have to be done server-side, or
else loaded into the clients via disk once the game was loaded.

"Geribaldy" <reply@ddress.valid.now> wrote in message
news:uErya.5638$3Y5.43184336@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > If you had a console that would run at high resolutions on an HDTV, had
> > an ethernet port in the back and I could use a mouse and KB with I might
> > be interested.
> > I haven't touched one since I had a Sega Genesis, can online console
> > gaming be made secure from cheats (for some reason I could see this as
> > another big selling point), I'd think it would be somewhat easier than
> > on a PC.   It seems less likely one could get some cheesy bot code
> > executing in the background on a console, though I don't doubt there's a
> > way to do it.
>
> If someone did anage to work a cheat into the console game then it would
> spell disaster for the game especially if it were as net-orientated as
Q3.I
> guess all the anti-cheatig measures would have to be done server-side, or
> else loaded into the clients via disk once the game was loaded.
>
People are already hacking and patching X-Box games so wont be long before
cheats start to flood out.

> I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
TAKE
> OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
Yeah, maybe for you. I guess you aren't the type that likes to modify games?

"Wesley" <�����@������.com> wrote in message
news:dziwa.5204$DP4.60626@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
performance
> but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
> end of my road with PC.
>
> DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>
> I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
TAKE
> OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>
> NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>
> PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
> GAMES...THOUGH.
>
>
>

"Me" <m...@me.com> wrote in message
news:1f4a006c7b7c68f47ae7e87745d748ba@TeraNews...
> > I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
> TAKE
> > OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
> Yeah, maybe for you. I guess you aren't the type that likes to modify
games?

No I have hundred of TC and MAPS for DOOM 1 & II hell even i does still
collect maps for Heretic, Hexen, Descent, Duke NUKEM 3D

but DOOM 3 ? I don't think so...let alone X-BOX!!!!

I would have to upgrade again all new scratch it could me cost for more than
$1500 yet X-BOX under $400

"Wesley" <�����@������.com> wrote in message
news:sBAya.1067$Ac3.12383@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Me" <m...@me.com> wrote in message
> news:1f4a006c7b7c68f47ae7e87745d748ba@TeraNews...
> > > I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2
ARE
> > TAKE
> > > OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
> > Yeah, maybe for you. I guess you aren't the type that likes to modify
> games?
>
> No I have hundred of TC and MAPS for DOOM 1 & II hell even i does still
> collect maps for Heretic, Hexen, Descent, Duke NUKEM 3D
>
> but DOOM 3 ? I don't think so...let alone X-BOX!!!!
>
> I would have to upgrade again all new scratch it could me cost for more
than
> $1500 yet X-BOX under $400

I bought my box for $695 Australian, granted I need a new video card for
doom3 and some ram (Probably ~$300 for all that) but by the time Doom3 comes
out I think your estimate of $1500 to get a pc that runs it is going to be
grossly overstated. The $695 does not include the monitor, keyboard and
mouse, in my case I chose to buy new perphirals (17" monitor $169, keyboard
and mouse under $50 total) but in most cases people can buy a new box on the
cheap and keep their old stuff.

I would suggest it might be a good idea for people to stop crying about the
whole doom3 will make them upgrade their computer issue, it's the same thing
that's been happening for years, people have been forced to get new
boxes/equipment for new games for years, I think it would be safe to say
that since 1995 at a conservative estimate their has been a game at least
every 2 years which has required people to upgrade for them to be able to
run it. As a comparison have a look at what a console from the same time
looks like and see just how far behind current PC technology it looks and
performs, in 5 or so years that will be you and your fantastic plastic xbox,
you get what you pay for, and in the case of the xbox you pay for a low
spec, non-upgradable PC in a crappy plastic box.

-sTiVen
http://www.planetquake.com/sgquake

"Revoltix" <revo...@yahoo.com.au> sayeth: 

>XBOX, PS2 and Gamecube will ALL HAVE Internet adaptors very shortly...

 Like planned a couple years ago? And this still dosen't answer 
my question regarding user levels and TCs. As much as a pain in the
ass a PC may be because of the upgrading, I still choose it over
a console. I also prefer not to be locked into a hardware/political
battle with the likes of Sony who prefer us to *not* modify their
systems.

>
>amen
>
>"Educron" <sorry_this_is_not_valid@#.#> wrote in message
>news:au9jcvs2ftfgm8flgp2u33jq1qgie5ko67@4ax.com...
>> "Wesley" <¤¤¤¤¤@¤¤¤¤¤¤.com> sayeth:
>>
>> >I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
>performance
>> >but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III seem
>> >end of my road with PC.
>> >
>> >DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
>> >
>> >I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2 ARE
>TAKE
>> >OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
>>
>>  Just one quick question: How will you use add on
>> levels and TCs?
>>
>> >
>> >NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
>> >
>> >PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES, MULTIPLAYER
>> >GAMES...THOUGH.
>> >
>> >
>>
>

You missed my point. IF THEY ARE ON-LINE, (ie connected to the internet)
MORE THAN LIKELY YOU CAN DOWNLOAD SKINS, MODS, WHATEVER THE F**K YOU LIKE.

"Educron" <sorry_this_is_not_valid@#.#> wrote in message
news:s22mcvgpe1dr121k0e6ek6ujvat7bvsq63@4ax.com...
> "Revoltix" <revo...@yahoo.com.au> sayeth:
>
> >XBOX, PS2 and Gamecube will ALL HAVE Internet adaptors very shortly...
>
>  Like planned a couple years ago? And this still dosen't answer
> my question regarding user levels and TCs. As much as a pain in the
> ass a PC may be because of the upgrading, I still choose it over
> a console. I also prefer not to be locked into a hardware/political
> battle with the likes of Sony who prefer us to *not* modify their
> systems.
>
> >
> >amen
> >
> >"Educron" <sorry_this_is_not_valid@#.#> wrote in message
> >news:au9jcvs2ftfgm8flgp2u33jq1qgie5ko67@4ax.com...
> >> "Wesley" <�����@������.com> sayeth:
> >>
> >> >I spend so much money upgrade on my PC computers for trying best
> >performance
> >> >but still struggle with slow FPS like in Uneal II...........DOOM III
seem
> >> >end of my road with PC.
> >> >
> >> >DOOM III make me want to buy X-BOX DEFINITLEY!!!
> >> >
> >> >I'm afraid to say so called ALL console like...X-BOX, GAMECUBE, PS2
ARE
> >TAKE
> >> >OVER THE PC COMPUTER FOR FUN GAMES!!!
> >>
> >>  Just one quick question: How will you use add on
> >> levels and TCs?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
> >> >
> >> >PC COMPUTER IS NICE FOR WORK, NETWORK, SOME RPG, SLOW GAMES,
MULTIPLAYER
> >> >GAMES...THOUGH.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Revoltix wrote:

>You missed my point. IF THEY ARE ON-LINE, (ie connected to the internet)
>MORE THAN LIKELY YOU CAN DOWNLOAD SKINS, MODS, WHATEVER THE F**K YOU LIKE.
>
>  
>

Not necessarily.  If you don't have access to the file system inside the 
console and utilities that would allow you to add and customize the 
files, all that being online would enable is you being able to play 
other people who have exactly the same game.  AFAIK the console makers 
really don't like people modding there games right now. 
If you're talking about a console that has the ability to do all that 
plus possibly compile code, maybe run a 3d modeling program or 
photoshop.... oh wait a second that would start to be a PC wouldn't it.

-- 
"This is a public service announcement... with Guitar!"

Steve [Inglo]

>  AFAIK the console makers
> really don't like people modding there games right now.

Console makers don't like people modding their games or consoles. The reason
for this is that the only thing a console has over a PC from their point of
view is that it is a closed environment, they know the exact hardware that
will be available and the exact software that will be loaded.

-sTiVen
http://www.planetquake.com/sgquake

Just do what I do - stay far enough behind the times that every game you 
buy runs on your system like an absolute dream...

Example: by the time Halo comes out for the PC on the budget range, I'll 
have a machine which'll run it as easily as my current machine runs 
Tetris.

Plus, buying a game when it's been out that long means you can pretty 
well guarantee being able to get all the patches and mods you could ever 
need for it.

Now excuse me while I go back to my game of The Incredible Machine :-)

Andy

OK - so I exaggerate a little. My machine can run a lot of the really 
modern games - but Unreal II, for example, would kill it. But there's a 
lot of older games out there, cheap and plentiful, which I haven't 
played, and which are absolute classics. Why go for the latest and 
greatest, if you can have just as much fun on something older & 
tried'n'tested?

> OK - so I exaggerate a little. My machine can run a lot of the really
> modern games - but Unreal II, for example, would kill it. But there's a
> lot of older games out there, cheap and plentiful, which I haven't
> played, and which are absolute classics. Why go for the latest and
> greatest, if you can have just as much fun on something older &
> tried'n'tested?

yes you are right...many old games i haven't play yet...FORGET Unreal II
CRAP!!!

On Fri, 23 May 2003, Andy Lewis wrote:

> Just do what I do - stay far enough behind the times that every game you
> buy runs on your system like an absolute dream...

This is a very good and sound approach. There are almost only
advantages to this "tactic". Other advantages other than those you
mention is that when you buy the games, you often get a stable, fixed
version, and not version 1.0 which always hits the shelves too early
(rushed for the holidays and what not) and therefore is buggy and
messy. These bugs are then later fixed, and the people who bought the
game early are forced to upgrade several times over the net.

Whereas you pick up a clean, stable version 1.21 (or whatever) 1½
years later for $9.99... ;-D

And it's not like you just sit around and *wait* for that time to go
buy, because you're quite busy playing titles now that were released
some time ago. :-)

I've also seen games and their major add-ons/mods being thrown into
one package for a low-low price (Take Half-life,CS and Blue Shift in
one pack, for example, for roughly $15!). Kick-ass.

The only downside, as I see it, is that the online communities might
have "moved on" by the time you start playing the game.

OTOH, there are still a lot of people who play for example DooM and
Quake online, so that risk is perhaps slim, other than for
non-quality titles? You at least get to play very devoted (read
"fanatic") people! :-D

My $0.02,
-- 
Kristian Ronge |zuc...@bigfoot.com|d99...@nada.kth.se
d99, Computer Science, Royal Institute of Technology
"One short sleep past, we wake eternally, and Death shall
 be no more; Death, thou shalt die." -- John Donne

Andy Lewis wrote:
> OK - so I exaggerate a little. My machine can run a lot of the really
> modern games - but Unreal II, for example, would kill it.

Unreal II is a bad example. It kills higher-spec machines too. I've got an
AthlonXP 2000+ with a 128MB GF4 Ti4400 and 512MB DDR RAM and Unreal 2 still
runs like crap half the time.

--
DW's PSO Ep1&2 characters
Sasami (L123 REDRIA FOnewearl)
Sakura (L107 PINKAL RAmarl)
Chibi Moon (L40 VIRIDIA HUnewearl)
Minako (L5 ORAN FOnewearl)

HEY

I'm making it up as I go along okay!!??

KIDDING. Just going off what I heard

"Steve Gordon" <s405...@spamsucks.student.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:bakm7t$b73$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
>
> >  AFAIK the console makers
> > really don't like people modding there games right now.
>
> Console makers don't like people modding their games or consoles. The
reason
> for this is that the only thing a console has over a PC from their point
of
> view is that it is a closed environment, they know the exact hardware that
> will be available and the exact software that will be loaded.
>
> -sTiVen
> http://www.planetquake.com/sgquake
>
>

I'd say thats a medium spec machine

       .pRot3us.

"Da Wrecka" <daSPAM...@GONEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:n3Lza.1773$vc7.12619847@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Andy Lewis wrote:
> > OK - so I exaggerate a little. My machine can run a lot of the really
> > modern games - but Unreal II, for example, would kill it.
>
> Unreal II is a bad example. It kills higher-spec machines too. I've got an
> AthlonXP 2000+ with a 128MB GF4 Ti4400 and 512MB DDR RAM and Unreal 2
still
> runs like crap half the time.
>
> --
> DW's PSO Ep1&2 characters
> Sasami (L123 REDRIA FOnewearl)
> Sakura (L107 PINKAL RAmarl)
> Chibi Moon (L40 VIRIDIA HUnewearl)
> Minako (L5 ORAN FOnewearl)
>
>

pRot3us wrote:
> I'd say thats a medium spec machine

It's much higher than the recommended specs though. MUCH higher. (except in
the RAM stakes where it's just a third higher)

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Minako (L5 ORAN FOnewearl)

I was talking in general, minimum/recommended specs on game boxes are ALWAYS
a joke.

    .pRot3us.



"Da Wrecka" <daSPAM...@GONEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> pRot3us wrote:
> > I'd say thats a medium spec machine
>
> It's much higher than the recommended specs though. MUCH higher. (except
in
> the RAM stakes where it's just a third higher)
>
> --
> DW's PSO Ep1&2 characters
> Sasami (L126 REDRIA FOnewearl)
> Sakura (L108 PINKAL RAmarl)
> Chibi Moon (L45 VIRIDIA HUnewearl)
> Minako (L5 ORAN FOnewearl)
>
>

pRot3us wrote:

>I was talking in general, minimum/recommended specs on game boxes are ALWAYS
>a joke.
>
>    .pRot3us.
>
>
>  
>
There's a lot more spread nowadays between top and bottom so I'd think 
an XP 2000 plus a GF4 would have to be considered at the lowish end of a 
high end machine.
There are still lots of people gaming out there with 600 MHz machines.
I'd say:
up to 1200 MHz or up to GF2 low end.
up to XP1800/P4 1.8 GHz GF4 Ti4200 medium brew.
above XP2000/P4 2.0 GHz GF4 Ti/ATI 9500 high end.
above XP3000/P4 3.0 GHz FX5900/ATI 9700 ultra high.

I've got a BartonXP 2500@2.1GHz/NForce2/512PC3200/GF3Ti500... and I'd 
like to think that if I pick up a new video card this summer it would be 
considered a high end rig for at least a month :-)

-- 
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Steve [Inglo]

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pRot3us wrote:
>> Unreal II is a bad example. It kills higher-spec machines too. I've got
>> an AthlonXP 2000+ with a 128MB GF4 Ti4400 and 512MB DDR RAM and Unreal 2
>> still runs like crap half the time.
> I'd say thats a medium spec machine

Hm. I played Unreal II from start to finish on an XP1900+ with a GF3Ti200.
I did turn details down somewhat to maintain reasonable framerates on some
levels with lots of reflections etc going on, but apart from that it played
decent enough. The details I removed didn't change anything that I could
see, while I got the framerate I needed, so it was fair. Having said that,
I don't think I would've recommended anything less than my machine. As a
min spec, yes, but my machine would definitely be the lowest spec I would
say label "recommended". When I think of a recommended spec I consider that
to be the lowest spec machine you can play with decent framerates and
graphics at least halfway up the "lookin' pretty" scales. I sorta miss a
third spec on game boxes: "Perfect". A "perfect" spec machine should play
consistently at 30+ FPS with all details maxed out at 1280x1024.


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In alt.games.half-life Da Wrecka <daSPAM...@goneblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Andy Lewis wrote:
>> OK - so I exaggerate a little. My machine can run a lot of the really
>> modern games - but Unreal II, for example, would kill it.

> Unreal II is a bad example. It kills higher-spec machines too. I've got an
> AthlonXP 2000+ with a 128MB GF4 Ti4400 and 512MB DDR RAM and Unreal 2 still
> runs like crap half the time.


I have a similar setup, just with a 2100 and it does Unreal II highest settings with a breeze. Do you have latest drivers/etc? What kind of motherboard?

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MG42 wh0re

In alt.games.half-life Inglo <speh...@flapjacksrus.net> wrote:
> There's a lot more spread nowadays between top and bottom so I'd think 
> an XP 2000 plus a GF4 would have to be considered at the lowish end of a 
> high end machine.
> There are still lots of people gaming out there with 600 MHz machines.
> I'd say:
> up to 1200 MHz or up to GF2 low end.
> up to XP1800/P4 1.8 GHz GF4 Ti4200 medium brew.
> above XP2000/P4 2.0 GHz GF4 Ti/ATI 9500 high end.
> above XP3000/P4 3.0 GHz FX5900/ATI 9700 ultra high.
> I've got a BartonXP 2500@2.1GHz/NForce2/512PC3200/GF3Ti500... and I'd 
> like to think that if I pick up a new video card this summer it would be 
> considered a high end rig for at least a month :-)

Looks like I'm medium-ultra low. I have a 1300 Duron but have paired it 
with a humble TNT2 M64. Ohwell...never was a hardware junkie....

JKK
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		Mark Knopfler / Pets: Cats

> I sorta miss a
> third spec on game boxes: "Perfect". A "perfect" spec machine should play
> consistently at 30+ FPS with all details maxed out at 1280x1024.

different ideas people have different ideas

I'd class that as normal performance (resolution that I require), however I
couldn't stand 30fps, way too low

As for my version of perfect I'd say :

1600x1200 6xFSAA, 16-tap Ansitropic filtering, 120+fps

;�)

       .pRot3us.

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pRot3us wrote:
>> I sorta miss a
>> third spec on game boxes: "Perfect". A "perfect" spec machine should
>> play consistently at 30+ FPS with all details maxed out at 1280x1024.
> different ideas people have different ideas
> I'd class that as normal performance (resolution that I require), however
> I couldn't stand 30fps, way too low

Point being to give the spec of a box that would run the game at a given
resolution with all details in-game at max. The "recommended" specs they
give often means little more than "able to run game at some resolution or
another with details at 50%".

> As for my version of perfect I'd say :
> 1600x1200 6xFSAA, 16-tap Ansitropic filtering, 120+fps

You gotto have the fastest eyes in the west :P


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Frode wrote:

> > As for my version of perfect I'd say :
> > 1600x1200 6xFSAA, 16-tap Ansitropic filtering, 120+fps
> 
> You gotto have the fastest eyes in the west :P

Pleeeeeeeease don't start another thread which claims our eyes can't
notice the difference in games with framerates above 30fps.

Hail! For Jarkko K <mog...@iki.fi> hath spoken thusly:
>
> Looks like I'm medium-ultra low. I have a 1300 Duron but have paired
> it with a humble TNT2 M64. Ohwell...never was a hardware junkie....
>

I'm at the bottom of the heap myself, especially in the RAM stakes.
Duron 1200, 128Mb, GF2. Damn I miss having huge amounts of RAM... had
512 megs in my old P233 but this box won't accept the old RAM.

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"EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilb...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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> Hail! For Jarkko K <mog...@iki.fi> hath spoken thusly:
> >
> > Looks like I'm medium-ultra low. I have a 1300 Duron but have paired
> > it with a humble TNT2 M64. Ohwell...never was a hardware junkie....
> >
>
> I'm at the bottom of the heap myself, especially in the RAM stakes.
> Duron 1200, 128Mb, GF2. Damn I miss having huge amounts of RAM... had
> 512 megs in my old P233 but this box won't accept the old RAM.
>
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>

Lo and behold, Revoltix <revo...@yahoo.com.au> sayeth:
> Don't feel bad, I'm only running 900 myself :(
>

Heh, I'm OK with a 1200mhz, I've not seen a game yet that requires
more than 800.
It's the low RAM that sucks. <g>

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> Heh, I'm OK with a 1200mhz, I've not seen a game yet that requires
> more than 800.
> It's the low RAM that sucks. <g>

Then you haven't seen any new games :)

At 1024 x 768, Unreal II (demo) plays a little bit jerky on my P3-800 w/
512ram, but it does play.


"SoS" <n...@no.dk> wrote in message
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> > Heh, I'm OK with a 1200mhz, I've not seen a game yet that requires
> > more than 800.
> > It's the low RAM that sucks. <g>
>
> Then you haven't seen any new games :)
>
>

> At 1024 x 768, Unreal II (demo) plays a little bit jerky on my P3-800 w/
> 512ram, but it does play.

Demo? There's a demo now?
Don't know how the demo runs, but you wouldn't want to play the full game
with a 800MHz box :\

SoS

"SoS" <n...@no.dk> wrote in message
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> > At 1024 x 768, Unreal II (demo) plays a little bit jerky on my P3-800 w/
> > 512ram, but it does play.
>
> Demo? There's a demo now?
> Don't know how the demo runs, but you wouldn't want to play the full game
> with a 800MHz box :\

Lucky you don't have to isn't it, I agree with the guy, I own an 1800+
system and I don't think there is much out there that will be unplayable on
an 800Mhz - 1Ghz machine.

-sTiVen
http://www.planetquake.com/sgquake

Look on the bright side people, DooM I & II work great :D



"Steve Gordon" <s405...@spamsucks.student.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
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>
> "SoS" <n...@no.dk> wrote in message
> news:3ee4e879$0$83066$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> > > At 1024 x 768, Unreal II (demo) plays a little bit jerky on my P3-800
w/
> > > 512ram, but it does play.
> >
> > Demo? There's a demo now?
> > Don't know how the demo runs, but you wouldn't want to play the full
game
> > with a 800MHz box :\
>
> Lucky you don't have to isn't it, I agree with the guy, I own an 1800+
> system and I don't think there is much out there that will be unplayable
on
> an 800Mhz - 1Ghz machine.
>
> -sTiVen
> http://www.planetquake.com/sgquake
>
>

athlon xp 2800+ 1gig ddr333 my mohterboard is MSI K7N2-L delta i have a
radeon 9500 pro and i run unreal 2 at 800x600 and everything cracnked up i
dont have any problems but right b4 i had athlon xp 2400+ and only 512mb
ddr333 i had a biostar m7vik motherboard i could only run it at about
640x480 to get a decent fps thats with eyecandy still up.the biggest thing i
think that helped the game out was mainly the new cpu it has larger L2 cach
plus the 333MHz FSB,but also i got a nFORCE2 motherboard as well with the
dual memory controller so 333MHz FSB+1gig ddr333=better performance =o)

i doubt this has helped any but i figured id ad my 2 cents

Matt

"Matt Wells" <well...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> athlon xp 2800+ 1gig ddr333 my mohterboard is MSI K7N2-L delta i have a
> radeon 9500 pro and i run unreal 2 at 800x600 and everything cracnked up i
> dont have any problems but right b4 i had athlon xp 2400+ and only 512mb
> ddr333 i had a biostar m7vik motherboard i could only run it at about
> 640x480 to get a decent fps thats with eyecandy still up.the biggest thing
i
> think that helped the game out was mainly the new cpu it has larger L2
cach
> plus the 333MHz FSB,but also i got a nFORCE2 motherboard as well with the
> dual memory controller so 333MHz FSB+1gig ddr333=better performance =o)
>
> i doubt this has helped any but i figured id ad my 2 cents
>
> Matt
>
>
>

That's because it's an ALPHA, it runs like crap on EVERY COMPUTER.

>
> That's because it's an ALPHA, it runs like crap on EVERY COMPUTER.
>

Exactly, it's getting really stupid now, I mean the leaked alpha has been
out for what 6 months, longer (much longer me thinks)? And yet still people
are biatching about the frame rates etc. they are getting in 'Doom III',
with an extra 6 months development work on the game methinks carmack will
have produced a much better optimised engine and will have stuck to the
system requirements that were originally being talked about.

-sTiVen
http://www.planetquake.com/sgquake

"Da Wrecka" <daSPAM...@GONEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Wesley wrote:
> > My PC
> >
> > 1.3 CELERON
> > 512 RAM
> > GF 4 MX 440
> > SB AWE 64
> >
> > I'm stuck with old motherboard because of ISA (long story)
>
> Sticking with the last of the great Creative cards? Probably something I
> should've done myself instead of buying the utterly, UTTERLY worthless
SB128
> and SB Live!.
>
> Here's a hint: Dump the souped-up GF2. A GF4 MX is about as good for
gaming
> as a ripe halibut. Get a REAL GF4, like a Ti4200.
>

And for Gods sake, get rid of that Celeron!