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On 18-Aug-2009, Lars Uffmann <aral@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:


>
> a) I used to be a mid-level skilled player, at least good enough to be
> able to judge whether someone was playing fair or using an aimbot at
> most times

Some people never quit playing and have gotten *very* good.  And, the cheat
community is much smaller than the UT community. Don't assume any cheating
is happening, but try to stick to actively adminned servers and you won't
have to worry about it much.  I don't know your geographical location, but
check out the multiplay.co.uk servers.  The admins there are well known and
very good at what they do.  Past that, most clan servers are actively
adminned.  You'll just have to look around and find active servers and then
chat a bit to find out who the admins are.

>
> - what do people enjoy in stuff like Monsterhunt?

I don't know what the psychology is behind what makes different people enjoy
different types of gameplay. Personally, I more or less stick to straight
DM, but most of the people I play with/against also seem to like CTF or TDM.
 Why?  You'll probably have to see if there is some sort of a psych study
about things like that at maybe one of the major universities.


> - why did someone try to "improve" such a perfect game mod as instagib?
> that combo-shot addition to instagib is about the lamest stuff ever.

Again, No one can tell you why other people think or feel differently than
you do.  You can delve into psych books, I suppose.  I have to say that I
always hated insta because it doesn't require as much precision.  Hit
another player anywhere in the hit box and they explode...  With a sniper
rifle, you have to be quite precise in the hit box to make a one shot kill.
With something like the pulse, you have to stay in the hit box for more than
one short click, so you need to aim in the opponents hitbox for a longer
period of time while they try to 1) not allow you to kill them, and 2)
attempt to kill you.  - etc etc etc.  Why you see insta differently than I
do is a mystery but also very cool in the fact that people act and feel
differently from each other about everything.

>
> - what gayness rode some asses to NOT label their servers as passworded
> for the server selection, and then demand a password *AFTER* you have
> downloaded all the mods and maps they are currently using and then
> connected to the server only to be kicked again?

I guess if I was looking for servers to play, that might annoy me too.  I
never noticed that server join redirects happened before a passworded server
required credentials for join.  -  Anyway, in a few weeks, you'll probably
have a few servers saved to favorites and it won't matter any more.


> Some changes for the better, some for the worse, as is normal over
> time... Comments welcome! Oh - and I don't really mind people playing
> monsterhunt, it just seems so... boring...


Well, Cheers!  Welcome back to the best game ever written.

"Lars Uffmann" <aral@nurfuerspam.de> wrote in message 
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> Hey everyone!
>
> I have recently installed Linux and since UT99 runs just fine natively on 
> my box, I decided to play some again.
>
> Now I have 2 major problems:
>
> a) I used to be a mid-level skilled player, at least good enough to be 
> able to judge whether someone was playing fair or using an aimbot at most 
> times
>
> Now I am kind of frustrated at how fast I eat a headshot or direct killing 
> hit, and since I have been so out of touch with the game I rather quit the 
> server than suspect anyone of aimbotting. So my question related to this 
> is: How far spread is the use of aimbots on UT99 servers nowadays and if 
> it is a bad problem, is there any server list out there of servers that 
> have the better anti-aimbot mods active?
>
> b) I have seen some interesting and challenging "new" mods, such as Dr. 
> Strangelove (though that's sort of driving me crazy after 5 minutes of 
> screaming), Bunnytrack (though many maps are insanely hard, there seems to 
> be hardly anything for "beginners" to train on with less frustration) and 
> mainly Jailbreak(!). I really enjoyed Jailbreak when I saw it, but sadly 
> it seems to be the least wide spread. So does anyone know some good 
> jailbreak servers? And would you share them?
>
> Then apart from these two problems I have some minor ones, such as:
>
> - what do people enjoy in stuff like Monsterhunt? I mean - In UT2003 and 
> higher it was kinda fun, but then the waves were sort of... well - you 
> could count the mobs in your field of view most of the time, you only had 
> one live (and could save the round and get everyone back to live) and the 
> waves were doable with a normal life. But the UT99 version seems to be 
> nearly infinite health & ammo and about as many monsters, where it's just 
> lame spamming of ammo into them... Zero skills at all...
>
> - why did someone try to "improve" such a perfect game mod as instagib? 
> that combo-shot addition to instagib is about the lamest stuff ever. 
> Either I want precision gibs, then I play instagib, or I want blast 
> radius, then I play rocket arena. Labeling that other mod with "Instagib" 
> just sucks
>
> - what gayness rode some asses to NOT label their servers as passworded 
> for the server selection, and then demand a password *AFTER* you have 
> downloaded all the mods and maps they are currently using and then 
> connected to the server only to be kicked again? That is not only sheer 
> gayness, it is also dumb as shit, since the downloads of people that can't 
> join will slow the server down or at least waste bandwidth somewhere. Plus 
> it pisses people off...
>
> Some changes for the better, some for the worse, as is normal over time... 
> Comments welcome! Oh - and I don't really mind people playing monsterhunt, 
> it just seems so... boring...
>
> Yo!
>
>    Lars

So everyone is better than you now and you hate the popular mods? Welcome 
back!!...(this ought to be quick) 

§ï×darts wrote:
> Some people never quit playing and have gotten *very* good.  And, the cheat
> community is much smaller than the UT community. Don't assume any cheating
> is happening, but try to stick to actively adminned servers and you won't
> have to worry about it much.  I don't know your geographical location, but
> check out the multiplay.co.uk servers.  The admins there are well known and
> very good at what they do.  Past that, most clan servers are actively
> adminned.  

Thanks for the feedback, I am in the Cologne area / Germany - And I 
mostly try to find nice servers by ping - though it doesn't seem to be 
very stable anymore when I join any of the servers that show up as < 30ms...


>  Why?  You'll probably have to see if there is some sort of a psych study
> about things like that at maybe one of the major universities.
 > [..]
> attempt to kill you.  - etc etc etc.  Why you see insta differently than I
> do is a mystery but also very cool in the fact that people act and feel
> differently from each other about everything.

Yayaya I get it :p

> required credentials for join.  -  Anyway, in a few weeks, you'll probably
> have a few servers saved to favorites and it won't matter any more.

Ya the favouriting already started and it definitely helps.


> Well, Cheers!  Welcome back to the best game ever written.
I indeed still enjoy it more than I did UT2003 and 2k4 - but I 
definitely need to have a look at Unreal Tournament 3 still...

Cheers,

    Lars / tIGerLiLy

goPostal wrote:
> So everyone is better than you now and you hate the popular mods? Welcome 
> back!!...(this ought to be quick) 

Everyone -> many people - and their numbers are going down as I get back 
into training :p


And I doubt that the mods I dislike are the only popular ones... but 
thanks for the fullquote & trolling :)

*headshot*

   Lars

"Lars Uffmann" <aral@nurfuerspam.de> wrote in message 
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> goPostal wrote:
>> So everyone is better than you now and you hate the popular mods? Welcome 
>> back!!...(this ought to be quick)
>
> Everyone -> many people - and their numbers are going down as I get back 
> into training :p
>
>
> And I doubt that the mods I dislike are the only popular ones... but 
> thanks for the fullquote & trolling :)
>
> *headshot*
>
>   Lars

Trolling? Dude, you put "Comments welcome" in your post.

You listed five paragraphs of things you dislike and one must search your 
post for a positive comment on something. All I'm saying is it doesn't bode 
well for your entertainment value. I can appreciate opinion but you come off 
as unhappy right out of the gate. I don't think it will be much fun for you 
with your attitude towards how the community sits.

Headshot? My God you have been gone a while. That was mildly funny when you 
first played. Now.... not so much.

Oh, and monsterhunt rules  :P 

On Aug 21, 12:38 pm, "goPostal" <agutgopos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Lars Uffmann" <a...@nurfuerspam.de> wrote in message
>
> news:7f88lcF2jvp9rU2@mid.dfncis.de...
>
> > goPostal wrote:
> >> So everyone is better than you now and you hate the popular mods? Welcome
> >> back!!...(this ought to be quick)
>
> > Everyone -> many people - and their numbers are going down as I get back
> > into training :p
>
> > And I doubt that the mods I dislike are the only popular ones... but
> > thanks for the fullquote & trolling :)
>
> > *headshot*
>
> >   Lars
>
> Trolling? Dude, you put "Comments welcome" in your post.
>
> You listed five paragraphs of things you dislike and one must search your
> post for a positive comment on something. All I'm saying is it doesn't bode
> well for your entertainment value. I can appreciate opinion but you come off
> as unhappy right out of the gate. I don't think it will be much fun for you
> with your attitude towards how the community sits.
>
> Headshot? My God you have been gone a while. That was mildly funny when you
> first played. Now.... not so much.
>
> Oh, and monsterhunt rules  :P

I used to be an admin on a sniper server, been called cheater so many
times, it's not the aimbots that were the problem, but the inhability
of a lot of player to admit they didn't know it all, and couldn't
accept they could actually improve playing better players, instead of
complaining.

As for mods, Well in my "UT retirement" I have to agree with postal
monsterhunt rocks. The only improvement I'd suggest, more
translocators :)

Later,
Noxx-Zema

"Noxx" <noxx_zema@yahoo.ca> wrote in message 
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I used to be an admin on a sniper server, been called cheater so many
times, it's not the aimbots that were the problem, but the inhability
of a lot of player to admit they didn't know it all, and couldn't
accept they could actually improve playing better players, instead of
complaining.

As for mods, Well in my "UT retirement" I have to agree with postal
monsterhunt rocks. The only improvement I'd suggest, more
translocators :)

Later,
Noxx-Zema

Noxx, I run a private MH server you are welcome to play on if you want (as 
are all you guys). Ding me and I'll send you the access info. BTW, I made a 
no-telefragging trans that works well on MH servers if your admin dislikes 
them. It simply won't trans you if there is a monster nearby. 
www.gopostals.com  has some of my work. You are welcome to any of it.

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:53:03 +0200, Lars Uffmann <aral@nurfuerspam.de>
wrote:


>I indeed still enjoy it more than I did UT2003 and 2k4 - but I 
>definitely need to have a look at Unreal Tournament 3 still...

If you enjoy UT99 more than 2k3 and 2k4, then you won't like UT3.  

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:38:13 -0700, "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Lars Uffmann" <aral@nurfuerspam.de> wrote in message 
>news:7f88lcF2jvp9rU2@mid.dfncis.de...
>> goPostal wrote:
>>> So everyone is better than you now and you hate the popular mods? Welcome 
>>> back!!...(this ought to be quick)
>>
>> Everyone -> many people - and their numbers are going down as I get back 
>> into training :p
>>
>>
>> And I doubt that the mods I dislike are the only popular ones... but 
>> thanks for the fullquote & trolling :)
>>
>> *headshot*
>>
>>   Lars
>
>Trolling? Dude, you put "Comments welcome" in your post.
>
>You listed five paragraphs of things you dislike and one must search your 
>post for a positive comment on something. All I'm saying is it doesn't bode 
>well for your entertainment value. I can appreciate opinion but you come off 
>as unhappy right out of the gate. I don't think it will be much fun for you 
>with your attitude towards how the community sits.
>
>Headshot? My God you have been gone a while. That was mildly funny when you 
>first played. Now.... not so much.

Dude, methinks you missed the irony.  I read that as headshot on *you*,
not the gametype.  But then I've been wrong before...

And to add my .02, I agree with Six that DM/TDM/CTF in their pristine form
are still the best way to enjoy UT.  IMHO, comparing the original
gametypes to the heavily-modded gametypes is like comparing a six foot
breaking putt at the Open championship to hitting the ball between
windmill blades at your local putt-putt.

*headshot*  :)

"Folk" <Folk@folk.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> Dude, methinks you missed the irony.  I read that as headshot on *you*,
> not the gametype.  But then I've been wrong before...
>
> And to add my .02, I agree with Six that DM/TDM/CTF in their pristine form
> are still the best way to enjoy UT.  IMHO, comparing the original
> gametypes to the heavily-modded gametypes is like comparing a six foot
> breaking putt at the Open championship to hitting the ball between
> windmill blades at your local putt-putt.
>
> *headshot*  :)

Let me refactor for the revised headshot victim then.......Nope. Still lame 
;)

The makers really did hit a home run with the original game types. Mods come 
and go but the originals keep chugging along and they are still fun after 
all these years. Nice analogy too. I was stationed in Augusta for a couple 
of Masters, those guys are simply amazing.

>
> *headshot*  :)

oh, that's *SO* it. I'm getting Melt. You have had it now..... 

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:06:03 -0700, "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Folk" <Folk@folk.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:clr295l91imtn7e1pi71eqr7curc6vr0uo@4ax.com...
>>
>> Dude, methinks you missed the irony.  I read that as headshot on *you*,
>> not the gametype.  But then I've been wrong before...
>>
>> And to add my .02, I agree with Six that DM/TDM/CTF in their pristine form
>> are still the best way to enjoy UT.  IMHO, comparing the original
>> gametypes to the heavily-modded gametypes is like comparing a six foot
>> breaking putt at the Open championship to hitting the ball between
>> windmill blades at your local putt-putt.
>>
>> *headshot*  :)
>
>Let me refactor for the revised headshot victim then.......Nope. Still lame 
>;)
>
>The makers really did hit a home run with the original game types. Mods come 
>and go but the originals keep chugging along and they are still fun after 
>all these years. Nice analogy too. I was stationed in Augusta for a couple 
>of Masters, those guys are simply amazing.
>
>>
>> *headshot*  :)
>
>oh, that's *SO* it. I'm getting Melt. You have had it now..... 

Better bring some real help.  ;)

"goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Noxx" <noxx_zema@yahoo.ca> wrote in message 
> news:72f2f407-7333-4fc3-9b7d-449652af1596@y10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> I used to be an admin on a sniper server, been called cheater so many
> times, it's not the aimbots that were the problem, but the inhability
> of a lot of player to admit they didn't know it all, and couldn't
> accept they could actually improve playing better players, instead of
> complaining.
>
> As for mods, Well in my "UT retirement" I have to agree with postal
> monsterhunt rocks. The only improvement I'd suggest, more
> translocators :)
>
> Later,
> Noxx-Zema
>
> Noxx, I run a private MH server you are welcome to play on if you want (as 
> are all you guys). Ding me and I'll send you the access info. BTW, I made 
> a no-telefragging trans that works well on MH servers if your admin 
> dislikes them. It simply won't trans you if there is a monster nearby. 
> www.gopostals.com  has some of my work. You are welcome to any of it.
>
is that offer open to me GoP  mind you the transatlantic ping will likely 
result in an early demise contact via website?
Nick-Dastardly 

"DerekW" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
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> is that offer open to me GoP  mind you the transatlantic ping will likely 
> result in an early demise contact via website?
> Nick-Dastardly
>

Sure buddy. Any of you guys are welcome. Drop me an email and I'll ship you 
the IP and password. I just try to keep out the public riff-raff. I dont 
mind people playing, even logging in and summoning things. I run a 
completely custom suite of stuff and I like to see the logs from people 
playing, not trying to fuck over the server (which happened yesterday, that 
group is history now though). I'm not an elitist by any means, and you guys 
are welcome to play around on the server pretty much as you like. I just ask 
that you don't use any "set" commands or try to trash the place.
If you see anyone playing they are certified "cool" by me so it will always 
be a good group if someone is on. One thing if you guys hop on, my main 
player is named Scify and she has dyslexia. Her chat is often hard to read 
and it takes her a while to type it out so give her time. I do run a 
teamspeak server dedicated for this so let me know if you want that too and 
I'll send you that info. You'll find Scify and the others are a lot of fun 
to talk to. 

Lars Uffmann wrote:

Takes me a while, but I check in here now and then :)

> rather quit the server than suspect anyone of aimbotting. So my question 
> related to this is: How far spread is the use of aimbots on UT99 servers 
> nowadays and if it is a bad problem, is there any server list out there 
> of servers that have the better anti-aimbot mods active?

There's a lot of botters around. I run the Multiplay cluster and we're 
banning around 40-50 unique identified cheaters a day. Of those, perhaps 
3-5 a day are new to us. Anth is about the anti anti-cheat author still 
working.

Naturally, any admins that aren't spending a lot of time checking 
manually will have more botters.

Don't generally like to advertise, but myself and the other admins here 
take pride in being able to accurately identify and more importantly - 
keep out identified cheaters. http://unreal.multiplay.co.uk/servers

> b) I have seen some interesting and challenging "new" mods, such as Dr. 
> Strangelove (though that's sort of driving me crazy after 5 minutes of 
> screaming), Bunnytrack (though many maps are insanely hard, there seems 
> to be hardly anything for "beginners" to train on with less frustration) 
> and mainly Jailbreak(!). I really enjoyed Jailbreak when I saw it, but 
> sadly it seems to be the least wide spread. So does anyone know some 
> good jailbreak servers? And would you share them?

SLV's frustrate me too - can't drive the bloody things, but we have a 
good and solid SLV community server here. BT - sometimes you can get one 
with translocator enabled. Ours was until recently. Gives mortals a 
chance... I love jb but it seems to have fallen out of fashion, sadly.

> - what do people enjoy in stuff like Monsterhunt? I mean - In UT2003 and 
> higher it was kinda fun, but then the waves were sort of... well - you 
> could count the mobs in your field of view most of the time, you only 
> had one live (and could save the round and get everyone back to live) 
> and the waves were doable with a normal life. But the UT99 version seems 
> to be nearly infinite health & ammo and about as many monsters, where 
> it's just lame spamming of ammo into them... Zero skills at all...

The unlimited stuff is from a mutator, normally UTJMH - but sometimes 
all you want is a spamfest that can be played by any level. We run one 
MH as you describe, and one with Insta-Combo gun, which makes it even 
easier :)  Each to their own I guess...

> - why did someone try to "improve" such a perfect game mod as instagib? 
> that combo-shot addition to instagib is about the lamest stuff ever.

Again, taste. Insta was dying across the board. Insta-combo adds a 
significantly different style of play and our combo-ctf server gets a 
lot of players regularly. (Alas, our combo-dm seems to have lost its 
inertia recently) I think combo's appeal is that a really good player is 
less untouchable to the lower skilled players. The extra spam factor 
levels the field somewhat.

> - what gayness rode some asses to NOT label their servers as passworded 
> for the server selection, and then demand a password *AFTER* you have 
> downloaded all the mods and maps they are currently using and then 
> connected to the server only to be kicked again? That is not only sheer 
> gayness, it is also dumb as shit, since the downloads of people that 
> can't join will slow the server down or at least waste bandwidth 
> somewhere. Plus it pisses people off...

Can't argue with you there! Unfortunately that's an issue with ut99 
itself - game password is prompted on the final stage of connection.

"Flash" <NOSPAM@digdilem.org> wrote in message 
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> The unlimited stuff is from a mutator, normally UTJMH - but sometimes all 
> you want is a spamfest that can be played by any level. We run one MH as 
> you describe, and one with Insta-Combo gun, which makes it even easier :) 
> Each to their own I guess...
>

Flash (and all), I'm getting ready to release true invasion for UT as a 
gametype. Details are here:
http://utsurvival.com/   and we have a release date of the 16th. Been 
working pretty hard on this
and im quite proud of it. It's a very simple, solid, cofigurable game with a 
bunch of native mutators
but very balanced. Great mindless fun with little to "figure out".

Yell at me Flash and I'll let you access the testing server we are using. 
Also is it cool if I post about it
at Multi? This is mainly created for server admins and not so much as an 
offline game. 

Hey gp

> Flash (and all), I'm getting ready to release true invasion for UT as a 
> gametype. Details are here:
> http://utsurvival.com/   and we have a release date of the 16th. Been 
> working pretty hard on this
> and im quite proud of it. It's a very simple, solid, cofigurable game with a 
> bunch of native mutators
> but very balanced. Great mindless fun with little to "figure out".

Sounds just up my alley :)

> Yell at me Flash and I'll let you access the testing server we are using. 

Yes please, would like a looksee. Replace NOSPAM with my nick for proper 
email.

> Also is it cool if I post about it
> at Multi? This is mainly created for server admins and not so much as an 
> offline game. 

Sure - although not if it advertises any other servers, we're pretty 
tight about that. :)