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"Folk" <Folk@folk.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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> I came across a company that offers older games for sale and low and
> behold they're offering UTGOTY.
> http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/unreal_tournament_goty
>
> They claim they have it patched to 436 and is compatible with XP and
> Vista.  What I'm wondering though is if they have addressed any of the
> issues that plague UT99 on newer hardware such as gamespeed.  Any
> thoughts?

Certain problems can't be fixed externally. When UT installs its engine it 
polls the processor for its running speed and builds all its timing in 
relation to that figure. If you have speed stepping or power saving on and 
your cpu speed is throttled in any way, you will experience the lag and 
stutter. Without source access to the engine, you can't fix that (and I'm 
not sure it could be anyway). The only recourse it to adjust how your 
computer deals with the UT engine, or how it behaves itself. If they did fix 
it to run right, I'm guessing they altered the exe to compensate for certain 
things, but in doing that you might not be able to access a lot of the 
anticheat protected servers that run an md5 check.

Still I am interested, and probably will order one to see. 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:14:39 -0700, "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com>
wrote:

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>"Folk" <Folk@folk.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:r4n4455l8fi2ecsa040msrhb3ih6kntv98@4ax.com...
>>
>> I came across a company that offers older games for sale and low and
>> behold they're offering UTGOTY.
>> http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/unreal_tournament_goty
>>
>> They claim they have it patched to 436 and is compatible with XP and
>> Vista.  What I'm wondering though is if they have addressed any of the
>> issues that plague UT99 on newer hardware such as gamespeed.  Any
>> thoughts?
>
>Certain problems can't be fixed externally. When UT installs its engine it 
>polls the processor for its running speed and builds all its timing in 
>relation to that figure. If you have speed stepping or power saving on and 
>your cpu speed is throttled in any way, you will experience the lag and 
>stutter. Without source access to the engine, you can't fix that (and I'm 
>not sure it could be anyway). The only recourse it to adjust how your 
>computer deals with the UT engine, or how it behaves itself. If they did fix 
>it to run right, I'm guessing they altered the exe to compensate for certain 
>things, but in doing that you might not be able to access a lot of the 
>anticheat protected servers that run an md5 check.
>
>Still I am interested, and probably will order one to see. 

They have support available, but you apparently can't access it unless you
have purchased a game.

I probably would order it too, but I'm still bummed out about how UT sucks
on my LCD monitor.  Maybe if I get that sorted out...

On 25-Jun-2009, Folk <Folk@folk.com.invalid> wrote:

> I probably would order it too, but I'm still bummed out about how UT sucks
> on my LCD monitor.  Maybe if I get that sorted out...


I wish I could see what you are seeing.  I'm running UT at 60 fps on my 22"
LCD and it's smooth.

If we dug through old posts, we could find a lot of people talking about
getting 27 to 32 fps with UTBench on 1 to 1.6Ghz CPUs with a gig of ram and
something like a geforce 3 Ti or a geforce 4 Ti.  -  With my quad core at
3.2, and on my LCD, in game, I get 60... UTBench is 60... everything is 60.
There are no slow downs in heavy action.. no slowdowns where textures used
to mess me up (like the snow outside the window in Zeto).. there are just no
slowdowns at all.

I had a gamespeed issue for a little while because Windows didn't understand
I was running a lower-than-stock multiplier to acheive my overclock (so
windows thought I was running at 3.6ghz instead of 3.2).  I changed my OC
and now there is no gamespeed issue and UT is smooth as butter even Vsync'd
to 60 fps.

I'd be happy to zip up any ut system files you think might be your culprit
and email them to you or post them in the binary group.  

"§ď×darts" <sixdartsREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On 25-Jun-2009, Folk <Folk@folk.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I probably would order it too, but I'm still bummed out about how UT 
>> sucks
>> on my LCD monitor.  Maybe if I get that sorted out...
>
>
> I wish I could see what you are seeing.  I'm running UT at 60 fps on my 
> 22"
> LCD and it's smooth.
>
> If we dug through old posts, we could find a lot of people talking about
> getting 27 to 32 fps with UTBench on 1 to 1.6Ghz CPUs with a gig of ram 
> and
> something like a geforce 3 Ti or a geforce 4 Ti.  -  With my quad core at
> 3.2, and on my LCD, in game, I get 60... UTBench is 60... everything is 
> 60.
> There are no slow downs in heavy action.. no slowdowns where textures used
> to mess me up (like the snow outside the window in Zeto).. there are just 
> no
> slowdowns at all.
>
> I had a gamespeed issue for a little while because Windows didn't 
> understand
> I was running a lower-than-stock multiplier to acheive my overclock (so
> windows thought I was running at 3.6ghz instead of 3.2).  I changed my OC
> and now there is no gamespeed issue and UT is smooth as butter even 
> Vsync'd
> to 60 fps.
>
> I'd be happy to zip up any ut system files you think might be your culprit
> and email them to you or post them in the binary group.

Yeah, we have a pretty large variety playing in my server group and no one 
has issues that couldn't be resolved. I play on an LCD at 1440X900 and I'm 
very happy with it. I do like CRT better, but the added space on my desk is 
worth the swap. One thing worth mentioning about Six's post is that even 
with a quad cpu UT will only use one core no matter what so gauge your 
performance with that in mind.

BTW six, thanks for the walk down memory lane. I remember bringing my 4200ti 
home and thinking "I can't wait to play!" 

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:14:40 GMT, "§ï×darts" <sixdartsREMOVE@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>On 25-Jun-2009, Folk <Folk@folk.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I probably would order it too, but I'm still bummed out about how UT sucks
>> on my LCD monitor.  Maybe if I get that sorted out...
>
>
>I wish I could see what you are seeing.  I'm running UT at 60 fps on my 22"
>LCD and it's smooth.
>
>If we dug through old posts, we could find a lot of people talking about
>getting 27 to 32 fps with UTBench on 1 to 1.6Ghz CPUs with a gig of ram and
>something like a geforce 3 Ti or a geforce 4 Ti.  -  With my quad core at
>3.2, and on my LCD, in game, I get 60... UTBench is 60... everything is 60.
>There are no slow downs in heavy action.. no slowdowns where textures used
>to mess me up (like the snow outside the window in Zeto).. there are just no
>slowdowns at all.
>
>I had a gamespeed issue for a little while because Windows didn't understand
>I was running a lower-than-stock multiplier to acheive my overclock (so
>windows thought I was running at 3.6ghz instead of 3.2).  I changed my OC
>and now there is no gamespeed issue and UT is smooth as butter even Vsync'd
>to 60 fps.
>
>I'd be happy to zip up any ut system files you think might be your culprit
>and email them to you or post them in the binary group.  

Well, I don't think it's a performance issue since swapping my LCD out for
a CRT fixes everything.

I don't quite recall what hardware I was using when I quit playing UT99,
but I do know that my framerates were locked at 100fps which was the
refresh rate of my CRT.

It could very well be that my LCD just isn't up to snuff.  It's a Dell
1905FP circa Jan of '05.  It was hot stuff back then, but it's a PVA panel
and it's response time would probably be considered very slow by today's
standards.  Maybe it's time for an upgrade.

One question though... I thought that turning off vsync might help, but
that caused UT to run *way* too fast... just like it did before putting
the CPU speed in the shortcut.  Does yours do that too?  If not, then
maybe I do need a bit of tweaking.  I'm currently running Chris Donal's
(http://www.cwdohnal.com/utglr/) OGL renderer.  I've tried D3D too but no
joy.  And oh by the way... back in the day Chris's renderer made the game
look really good.  Now, there are various texture issues during gameplay.
Maybe my config is crap.
 

On 30-Jun-2009, "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com>

I thought I'd spoken to you via email at that account...  It bounces now.

I'm sure we've communicated via email in past times... should I have
something different for you in my address book?

"§ď×darts" <sixdartsREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On 30-Jun-2009, "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com>
>
> I thought I'd spoken to you via email at that account...  It bounces now.
>
> I'm sure we've communicated via email in past times... should I have
> something different for you in my address book?

No, thats a valid email. I use it every day. I think I've had that thing now 
for 20 years :D

If that still wont work, you can use  gopostal@ultimatemonsterhunt.com or 
swing by the site  www.ultimatemonsterhunt.com . I'm sorry for the trouble!