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goPostal wrote:
> Just curious as to your guys opinion on something that happened yesterday. I 
> was playing on (I think) Nachoes and Beer assault server. My team was behind 
> about 12-3 and we were getting pwned big time. One of the opposers took a 
> ion tank and kept blasting our spawn room and racking up serious frags. I 
> simply asked if he would stop spawn killing as they were already way ahead 
> and we were obviously going to lose. An admin told me that spawn killing was 
> allowed and there was a two second protection (there wasn't). I told him 
> that we were dying as fast as we could spawn. He seemed indifferent, which 
> is fine because it's not my server, but I tried appealing to the 
> sportsmanship aspect of the other team which he took offense to. Anyhow 
> things went sour and I may be banned. Was I OK with getting miffed or should 
> I just have left and went to another server? It just kills me to see rules 
> enforced with an iron fist but good sportsmanship left by the wayside. 

I've learned to just leave. They obviously play by a set of rules (or 
lack thereof) that you're not interested in (and neither would I by the 
sounds of it). If you told them the 2-second spawn protection wasn't 
working, and they didn't care, then there's really no reason to play, as 
they aren't looking for a challenge, they're looking for 
self-gratification. If you are banned, it doesn't sound like you'll be 
missing much. Some people have no real idea of sportsmanship, makes for 
a boring game IMO.

"GTD" <Stoooopid@duuuh.net> wrote in message 
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> goPostal wrote:
>> Just curious as to your guys opinion on something that happened 
>> yesterday. I was playing on (I think) Nachoes and Beer assault server. My 
>> team was behind about 12-3 and we were getting pwned big time. One of the 
>> opposers took a ion tank and kept blasting our spawn room and racking up 
>> serious frags. I simply asked if he would stop spawn killing as they were 
>> already way ahead and we were obviously going to lose. An admin told me 
>> that spawn killing was allowed and there was a two second protection 
>> (there wasn't). I told him that we were dying as fast as we could spawn. 
>> He seemed indifferent, which is fine because it's not my server, but I 
>> tried appealing to the sportsmanship aspect of the other team which he 
>> took offense to. Anyhow things went sour and I may be banned. Was I OK 
>> with getting miffed or should I just have left and went to another 
>> server? It just kills me to see rules enforced with an iron fist but good 
>> sportsmanship left by the wayside.
>
> I've learned to just leave. They obviously play by a set of rules (or lack 
> thereof) that you're not interested in (and neither would I by the sounds 
> of it). If you told them the 2-second spawn protection wasn't working, and 
> they didn't care, then there's really no reason to play, as they aren't 
> looking for a challenge, they're looking for self-gratification. If you 
> are banned, it doesn't sound like you'll be missing much. Some people have 
> no real idea of sportsmanship, makes for a boring game IMO.

Consider yourself justified, UT is still a game. Games are made to be 
enjoyed. Obviously not this case.

So what if you got banned from one server, one whose rules you don't agree 
with. Are you even considering reconnecting ?

I usually play the same server, with the same people. That's why I joined a 
clan, getting involved makes it interesting. But the question is, will that 
server be there a year from now ? I've seen a lot of them come and go. A lot 
of the gonners, are the ones with no sportmanship, who wants to keep 
loosing/fragged ?

My two cents
Noxx 

Walk away mate

If enough do there will be no one left to pawn and the server will slowly 
die.

I agree with Noxx you just have to find a server with players that think as 
you do.  ( thats why i play multiplay in the uk)  A bit far from you i know.

Chin up goPostal and time to move on.

Crysis demo is just days away :-)

http://www.crysisdemo.com/

Vis 

"Visine" <darrend43removethis--Bit@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Walk away mate
>
> If enough do there will be no one left to pawn and the server will slowly 
> die.
>
> I agree with Noxx you just have to find a server with players that think 
> as you do.  ( thats why i play multiplay in the uk)  A bit far from you i 
> know.
>
> Chin up goPostal and time to move on.
>
> Crysis demo is just days away :-)
>
> http://www.crysisdemo.com/
>
> Vis
>

Thanks for the opinions. I guess it just caught me the wrong way. I don't 
mind getting beaten but it just seems uncool for tagged clan players to be 
acting like that. Being a good sport makes a good game. I've even let an 
obviously new player score on me just so I could congratulate them on doing 
a good job. I even try to say something positive after each match about 
someone (or some team) doing well. I figure good will does a lot more to 
retain players than getting killed as soon as you spawn.

{My best Homer Simpson voiceover}:  MMMmmmmm.....Crysis......


BTW, you guys been following the mediadefender story? Wow, talk about being 
pwned. 

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:57:15 -0700, "goPostal"
<agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Just curious as to your guys opinion on something that happened yesterday. I 
>was playing on (I think) Nachoes and Beer assault server. My team was behind 
>about 12-3 and we were getting pwned big time. One of the opposers took a 
>ion tank and kept blasting our spawn room and racking up serious frags. I 
>simply asked if he would stop spawn killing as they were already way ahead 
>and we were obviously going to lose. An admin told me that spawn killing was 
>allowed and there was a two second protection (there wasn't). I told him 
>that we were dying as fast as we could spawn. He seemed indifferent, which 
>is fine because it's not my server, but I tried appealing to the 
>sportsmanship aspect of the other team which he took offense to. Anyhow 
>things went sour and I may be banned. Was I OK with getting miffed or should 
>I just have left and went to another server? It just kills me to see rules 
>enforced with an iron fist but good sportsmanship left by the wayside. 

Even if there *were* a two second spawn protection, what are you
supposed to do in that two seconds to prevent being blown away by a
spawn killing tank?

goPostal wrote:
>
> "Visine" <darrend43removethis--Bit@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:Y73Ii.2862$X%4.1084@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>> Walk away mate
>>
>> If enough do there will be no one left to pawn and the server will slowly 
>> die.
>>
>> I agree with Noxx you just have to find a server with players that think 
>> as you do.  ( thats why i play multiplay in the uk)  A bit far from you i 
>> know.
>>
>> Chin up goPostal and time to move on.
>>
>> Crysis demo is just days away :-)
>>
>> http://www.crysisdemo.com/
>>
>> Vis
>>
>
> Thanks for the opinions. I guess it just caught me the wrong way. I don't 
> mind getting beaten but it just seems uncool for tagged clan players to be 
> acting like that. Being a good sport makes a good game. I've even let an 
> obviously new player score on me just so I could congratulate them on doing 
> a good job. I even try to say something positive after each match about 
> someone (or some team) doing well. I figure good will does a lot more to 
> retain players than getting killed as soon as you spawn.
>

It's not just games, sportsmanship is becoming a thing of the past. I
blame end-zone dances and wrestling. There's a whole generation who
thinks "in your face" and "trash talk" are more important than manners.
You're just one of the few who remember a well behaved world. But then
again, who was it, Plato that spent a lot of time lamenting the decline
of youth? A sure sign of getting old.

-- 
{AGUT}DeadMan
loyalty above all, save honor
<http://68.197.144.194:7776/index.html>

goPostal wrote:
> Just curious as to your guys opinion on something that happened yesterday. I 
> was playing on (I think) Nachoes and Beer assault server. My team was behind 
> about 12-3 and we were getting pwned big time. One of the opposers took a 
> ion tank and kept blasting our spawn room and racking up serious frags. I 
> simply asked if he would stop spawn killing as they were already way ahead 
> and we were obviously going to lose. An admin told me that spawn killing was 
> allowed and there was a two second protection (there wasn't). I told him 
> that we were dying as fast as we could spawn. He seemed indifferent, which 
> is fine because it's not my server, but I tried appealing to the 
> sportsmanship aspect of the other team which he took offense to. Anyhow 
> things went sour and I may be banned. Was I OK with getting miffed or should 
> I just have left and went to another server? It just kills me to see rules 
> enforced with an iron fist but good sportsmanship left by the wayside. 
> 
> 
Sound like you did just like I would have.

I have run into games with spawnkillers and/or clans on open servers 
insisting that even with 8 people on the server they would stick to the 
one side since they were a clan. Sometimes asking for some fairness for 
the greater good works but often it does not.

This kind of thing has ruined some games for me. Like for example I had 
some fun playing Strike Force (a UT mod kindda like Counter Strike only 
more realistic) but eventually gave up since the number of players was 
small and most games got ruined by unsportsmanlike gamers.

Somewhat alarming it's my experience that the ratio of sportsmanships 
goes down when games are played on consoles and especially if there are 
some global rankings involved. This makes me worry about UT3 as I have 
heard rumors of consoles players and PC players being able to play on 
the same servers!

Kind regards
Bruno

Nice to see all the old hands are of a like opinion :-)

We are of a gamer generation and things have changed for the worse with a 
now all to common win at any cost attitude.

Its all a bit Endzone, WWF, UFC, in your face.

Greets to all AGUT from way back

Visine 

Herc's are a bit small :-)

I work 17's out of the UK Myself

o//

Vis 

"{AGUT}DeadMan" <oldman1961@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> It's not just games, sportsmanship is becoming a thing of the past. I
> blame end-zone dances and wrestling. There's a whole generation who
> thinks "in your face" and "trash talk" are more important than manners.
> You're just one of the few who remember a well behaved world. But then
> again, who was it, Plato that spent a lot of time lamenting the decline
> of youth? A sure sign of getting old.
>
> -- 
> {AGUT}DeadMan
> loyalty above all, save honor
> <http://68.197.144.194:7776/index.html>

You are so right (and you too Vis from on down). It's all about personal 
gain over group. We idolize people who present the worst possible examples. 
I probably should have not wasted y'alls time with the original post but it 
just really pissed me off and I wanted to vent.  *-note to self: buy a small 
dog to kick*


(kidding! I love dogs. I'm a mailman.)


To end on a positive note, this afternoon I played another assault server 
where a guy came on just spewing curse words. He was asked to stop, you know 
he just can't, no admin was around and the coolest thing happened:  One guy 
just stood still and said he'd wait. Then another and finally everyone was 
just standing until this guy left. Once he left, the game picked right back 
up but stopped twice more when he came back. Guess there is good and bad 
everywhere.

BTW DeadMan, is that you I see from time to time on the AS servers? There's 
a guy tagged with your name but no second capital letter.

"goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Visine" <darrend43removethis--Bit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:Y73Ii.2862$X%4.1084@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
| > Walk away mate
| >
| > If enough do there will be no one left to pawn and the server will
slowly
| > die.
| >
| > I agree with Noxx you just have to find a server with players that
think
| > as you do.  ( thats why i play multiplay in the uk)  A bit far
from you i
| > know.
| >
| > Chin up goPostal and time to move on.
| >
| > Crysis demo is just days away :-)
| >
| > http://www.crysisdemo.com/
| >
| > Vis
| >
|
| Thanks for the opinions. I guess it just caught me the wrong way. I
don't
| mind getting beaten but it just seems uncool for tagged clan players
to be
| acting like that. Being a good sport makes a good game. I've even
let an
| obviously new player score on me just so I could congratulate them
on doing
| a good job. I even try to say something positive after each match
about
| someone (or some team) doing well. I figure good will does a lot
more to
| retain players than getting killed as soon as you spawn.
|


Your comments are quite on point gopostal.

Back when competition was face-to-face athletics directed by a mature
coach, the athletes knew they would most certainly see their
competitor again in a future event and good sportsmanship was
typically the norm.  Though I can recall some minor unsportsmanlike
behavior while participating in high school athletics, this was an
unusual event, and I recall making many good friends on opposing
teams.  Further, back then, coaches were less influenced by parents
and a misbehaving athletes would be punished by sitting the bench.

Today, in addition to the idiot pro athletes whose behavior is the
worst of examples, too many of the youth athletic coaches (and
parents) have adopted the "in your face" approach to competition, a
terribly unfortunate development imho.  In addition, the internet, and
its built-in anonymity, seems to promote "assholeism" so often seen in
competitive arenas.

My approach is simply go find another server to play on since trying
to educate today's youths about things such as good sportsmanship
seems to fall on deaf ears.  Hmmmm, do ya suppose our parents said the
same things? (lol).

I do note that in-game voice capability seems to add more
"friendliness" or "humanism" to the game, particularly in
Counterstrike (Source) since one typically has a spell of idle time
during online play in which voice comments are quite common.
-- 
Best regards,
Kyle (now in the over 50 gaming crowd)

Kyle wrote:
> "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0PbIi.15$Ez7.14@newsfe05.lga...
> |
> | "Visine" <darrend43removethis--Bit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:Y73Ii.2862$X%4.1084@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
> | > Walk away mate
> | >
> | > If enough do there will be no one left to pawn and the server will
> slowly
> | > die.
> | >
> | > I agree with Noxx you just have to find a server with players that
> think
> | > as you do.  ( thats why i play multiplay in the uk)  A bit far
> from you i
> | > know.
> | >
> | > Chin up goPostal and time to move on.
> | >
> | > Crysis demo is just days away :-)
> | >
> | > http://www.crysisdemo.com/
> | >
> | > Vis
> | >
> |
> | Thanks for the opinions. I guess it just caught me the wrong way. I
> don't
> | mind getting beaten but it just seems uncool for tagged clan players
> to be
> | acting like that. Being a good sport makes a good game. I've even
> let an
> | obviously new player score on me just so I could congratulate them
> on doing
> | a good job. I even try to say something positive after each match
> about
> | someone (or some team) doing well. I figure good will does a lot
> more to
> | retain players than getting killed as soon as you spawn.
> |
> 
> 
> Your comments are quite on point gopostal.
> 
> Back when competition was face-to-face athletics directed by a mature
> coach, the athletes knew they would most certainly see their
> competitor again in a future event and good sportsmanship was
> typically the norm.  Though I can recall some minor unsportsmanlike
> behavior while participating in high school athletics, this was an
> unusual event, and I recall making many good friends on opposing
> teams.  Further, back then, coaches were less influenced by parents
> and a misbehaving athletes would be punished by sitting the bench.
> 
> Today, in addition to the idiot pro athletes whose behavior is the
> worst of examples, too many of the youth athletic coaches (and
> parents) have adopted the "in your face" approach to competition, a
> terribly unfortunate development imho.  In addition, the internet, and
> its built-in anonymity, seems to promote "assholeism" so often seen in
> competitive arenas.
> 
> My approach is simply go find another server to play on since trying
> to educate today's youths about things such as good sportsmanship
> seems to fall on deaf ears.  Hmmmm, do ya suppose our parents said the
> same things? (lol).
> 
> I do note that in-game voice capability seems to add more
> "friendliness" or "humanism" to the game, particularly in
> Counterstrike (Source) since one typically has a spell of idle time
> during online play in which voice comments are quite common.

Another layer that seems to add to poor sportsmanship is the growing 
cost of higher education, thus the necessity for scholarships and such. 
It seems many schools, especially in less-fortunate areas, seem to 
striving for attention, sportsmanship be dammed. It's not just a matter 
of winning, but on top of a win, they try for "the big hit" for the 
highlight reel. Weather it be a smashing tackle, a grand slam home run, 
a vicious runner-catcher collision at home plate, a hard drive through 
the lane, as long as it gets attention of people, it has the chance of 
getting the attention of someone looking to hand out a scholarship.

It doesn't help that so much of television promotes, as you aptly put it 
, "assholeism". I can't think of a single "reality" television show that 
doesn't feed into it. As much as I like dirt-biking and such, I can't 
watch even a few minutes of the "Crustys Dirt Demons" because they are 
just such assholes to each other. People try and justify it by calling 
them "competitive", but that's not it, the personalities I see are 
identical to those of the inmates that I see at the prison I work at. 
what a bunch of douchebags.