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In article <62dr82163a6lqn3pi...@4ax.com>, but only after
serious contemplation, Zealot The Crazy Lui <ktwilson9999@NOSPAM.comcast
.net> put finger to keyboard and produced the following;
>So my prediction? USA manages to be runner-up in Group E only to be
>utterly slaughtered shortly after by Brazil.

LOL

If you think the US has any chance at all against Italy you're living in
a *very* different world to the rest of us. :-}

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> Pathetic game vs Czech Republic. Who is left in the grouping? Italy,
> which could be strong, but lots of turmoil has probably shaken them up
> a bit(they clobbered Ghana 2-0), and Ghana which isn't often worth

Italy didn't "clobber" Ghana. The first half was a surprising 0-0 and
Ghana actually had more posession of the ball in the second half.

> mentioning, but who knows. At this point, Czech Republic looks strong
> enough to grab the winner spot in Group E, while if the US is lucky
> enough to beat Italy and Ghana, they still would only probably be able
> to get the runner up spot, putting them up against the winner of Group
> F who is almost certainly going to be Brazil. There's no way in hell
> USA is going to beat Brazil.

There is no shame in losing to Brazil. Especially not in the World Cup.

> As for other teams, Germany is looking pretty good, as is Mexico
> (though Iran is probably a weaker team than costa rica). Brazil is of
> course Brazil.

Don't forget about Holland. We shall PWNZ0R and R0X0R! 

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:40:20 +0100, The Arcane Chas
<Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>LOL
>
>If you think the US has any chance at all against Italy you're living in
>a *very* different world to the rest of us. :-}

Like Fransy said, Italy looked a bit sloppy in the first half (as did
Ghana, but that was to be expected). I think if the US team can get
itself back together and put energy into the game rather than just
doddling around like they did against Czech Republic, they have a
chance against Italy.

And even if Italy is runner up (I doubt they can handle Czech
Republic), then *they* will be slaughtered by Brazil. Runner up in
group E might as well have just been eliminated before the 16 round.
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"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:40:20 +0100, The Arcane Chas
> <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>LOL
>>
>>If you think the US has any chance at all against Italy you're living in
>>a *very* different world to the rest of us. :-}
>
> Like Fransy said, Italy looked a bit sloppy in the first half (as did
> Ghana, but that was to be expected). I think if the US team can get
> itself back together and put energy into the game rather than just
> doddling around like they did against Czech Republic, they have a
> chance against Italy.

Also, don't forget that Czech Republic has some kickass players.
Tomas Galasek (was captain of Ajax, Amsterdam last season),
Grygera (also Ajax), and ofcourse Nedved (Juventus). They are
not a joke. This is not some smalltime soccer country, world class
players play there.

> And even if Italy is runner up (I doubt they can handle Czech
> Republic), then *they* will be slaughtered by Brazil. Runner up in
> group E might as well have just been eliminated before the 16 round.

Well, I'm looking at Brazil right now, and other than that goal by Kaka,
I really haven't seen much yet. 

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:22:16 +0200, "Frans"
<phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Also, don't forget that Czech Republic has some kickass players.
>Tomas Galasek (was captain of Ajax, Amsterdam last season),
>Grygera (also Ajax), and ofcourse Nedved (Juventus). They are
>not a joke. This is not some smalltime soccer country, world class
>players play there.

I agree, I think Czech Republic is going to beat Italy and Ghana, so I
think they're going to get the winner spot without contest. Ghana put
in a valiant first effort, but I don't think they'll be able to
trounce the USA and they definitely won't be able to beat the Czech
Republic barring some strange occurance. I'm thinking it will really
come down to USA vs Italy to decide the runner up spot. We'll see what
happens Saturday.

>Well, I'm looking at Brazil right now, and other than that goal by Kaka,
>I really haven't seen much yet. 

I just saw the game too... Brazil looked alright, but only 1 goal.
Croatia put up a pretty good fight, but Brazil could've been better, I
guess. I still don't think the US or Italy would be any kind of match
for Brazil. I kinda got the impression that Brazil felt like they
didn't have to try very hard, and croatia was putting everything they
had into defending.
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"Eat a bag of hell." - Cyric The Mad
"Yes - I need red hot gay loving" - LTP

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IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER Zealot The
Crazy Lui <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON
MY COMPUTAR SCREEN!!!!:

Fussball is boring.



And the US has always sucked at it, anyway, why do you care?

IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER Zealot The
Crazy Lui <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON
MY COMPUTAR SCREEN!!!!:
>they have a
>chance against Italy.

No.

Just... no.

Frans wrote:
> "Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
> news:ol1u82lr9nuear21q5jh88jm0c5r7rir3k@4ax.com...
>> And even if Italy is runner up (I doubt they can handle Czech
>> Republic), then *they* will be slaughtered by Brazil. Runner up in
>> group E might as well have just been eliminated before the 16 round.
> 
> Well, I'm looking at Brazil right now, and other than that goal by Kaka,
> I really haven't seen much yet. 
> 
I'd have to agree. Although, I'm yet to see any world cup games (or many 
highlights for that matter - the games are at around 3am, and the 
highlights are at about 3pm, when I'm still at work), Brazil did not 
seam to be themselves when playing us (NZ, before the world cup (Brazil 
won 4-0, but then we're not even in the world cup)). If they don't 
improve, they probably wont get into the quarter finals (and even then, 
they'd have to make a resounding leap to get anywhere decent).

--
Marsh Lion
3 Interviews tomorrow!!

"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> Pathetic game vs Czech Republic.

LOL, Czech Republic is a very strong team and a force to be reckon with.

> Who is left in the grouping? Italy,
> which could be strong, but lots of turmoil has probably shaken them up
> a bit(they clobbered Ghana 2-0), and Ghana which isn't often worth
> mentioning, but who knows.

I doubt that USA is able to beat Italy, sorry.

> At this point, Czech Republic looks strong
> enough to grab the winner spot in Group E, while if the US is lucky
> enough to beat Italy and Ghana, they still would only probably be able
> to get the runner up spot, putting them up against the winner of Group
> F who is almost certainly going to be Brazil. There's no way in hell
> USA is going to beat Brazil.

Perhaps that is why the choose to lose vs Czech? :p

> So my prediction? USA manages to be runner-up in Group E only to be
> utterly slaughtered shortly after by Brazil.

Prediction? That is a known fact actually :p

> If you have no idea what I'm talking about, go to fifa.com or ignore
> this post. :)

If you have no idea what this is all about then you're worst than a 
Desperate Housewife. Nuff said

> As for other teams, Germany is looking pretty good, as is Mexico
> (though Iran is probably a weaker team than costa rica).

Playing in their own soil may give them added pressure. Let's hope all 
strong team crashed out so that the World Cup can be a battle against all 
newbies. That would definitely lighten things up :p

> Brazil is of course Brazil.

Brazil might drown by their arrogant players if they are not willing to work 
as a team but they do have strong players
-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"The Arcane Chas" <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:2ccdnWA0pujEFw1f@the-arcane.demon.co.uk...
> In article <62dr82163a6lqn3pi...@4ax.com>, but only after
> serious contemplation, Zealot The Crazy Lui <ktwilson9999@NOSPAM.comcast
> .net> put finger to keyboard and produced the following;
>>So my prediction? USA manages to be runner-up in Group E only to be
>>utterly slaughtered shortly after by Brazil.
>
> LOL
>
> If you think the US has any chance at all against Italy you're living in
> a *very* different world to the rest of us. :-}

LOL - my thoughts exactly

-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"Marsh_lion" <marsh...@SPAMparadise.net.nz> wrote in message 
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> Frans wrote:
>> "Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
>> news:ol1u82lr9nuear21q5jh88jm0c5r7rir3k@4ax.com...
>>> And even if Italy is runner up (I doubt they can handle Czech
>>> Republic), then *they* will be slaughtered by Brazil. Runner up in
>>> group E might as well have just been eliminated before the 16 round.
>>
>> Well, I'm looking at Brazil right now, and other than that goal by Kaka,
>> I really haven't seen much yet.
> I'd have to agree. Although, I'm yet to see any world cup games (or many 
> highlights for that matter - the games are at around 3am, and the 
> highlights are at about 3pm, when I'm still at work), Brazil did not seam 
> to be themselves when playing us (NZ, before the world cup (Brazil won 
> 4-0, but then we're not even in the world cup)). If they don't improve, 
> they probably wont get into the quarter finals (and even then, they'd have 
> to make a resounding leap to get anywhere decent).


Brazil, improve? LOL

They are just playing with tactics (or strategies whatever!) and don't want 
to risk losing players this early.

Ps. The kangoos did great against the Japs
-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> wrote 
in message news:d5qu821fppdm1so2d64v5dkif4sboor97f@4ax.com...
> IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER Zealot The
> Crazy Lui <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON
> MY COMPUTAR SCREEN!!!!:
>>they have a
>>chance against Italy.
>
> No.
>
> Just... no.


Correction ... NO!!!! :p
-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:128tr5poebp08e5@corp.supernews.com...
> "Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
> news:62dr82163a6lqn3pil6oj1m2k4rc0mc2ct@4ax.com...
>> Pathetic game vs Czech Republic. Who is left in the grouping? Italy,
>> which could be strong, but lots of turmoil has probably shaken them up
>> a bit(they clobbered Ghana 2-0), and Ghana which isn't often worth
>
> Italy didn't "clobber" Ghana. The first half was a surprising 0-0 and
> Ghana actually had more posession of the ball in the second half.
>
>> mentioning, but who knows. At this point, Czech Republic looks strong
>> enough to grab the winner spot in Group E, while if the US is lucky
>> enough to beat Italy and Ghana, they still would only probably be able
>> to get the runner up spot, putting them up against the winner of Group
>> F who is almost certainly going to be Brazil. There's no way in hell
>> USA is going to beat Brazil.
>
> There is no shame in losing to Brazil. Especially not in the World Cup.
>
>> As for other teams, Germany is looking pretty good, as is Mexico
>> (though Iran is probably a weaker team than costa rica). Brazil is of
>> course Brazil.
>
> Don't forget about Holland. We shall PWNZ0R and R0X0R!

Uhmn... Frans is a Hollander?

....  and he speaks like Overwind! (?)

The plot thickens!
-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> wrote 
in message news:p3qu82p60d4o6bpfn58tu0rurgvqn4rjrp@4ax.com...
> IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER Zealot The
> Crazy Lui <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON
> MY COMPUTAR SCREEN!!!!:
>
> Fussball is boring.
>
> And the US has always sucked at it, anyway, why do you care?

At least they qualified for the WC, which is considered very good 
performance.
-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
news:qbi4m3xaha.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...

> Brazil, improve? LOL

Yes, improve. Not individual player quality, but TEAM quality.
It's just not a team yet. You can clearly see it in the way they play
currently. Just like France. Players like Zidane and Henry, and not
even a goal against friggin Swiss.

> They are just playing with tactics (or strategies whatever!) and don't 
> want to risk losing players this early.

Nonsense.

> Ps. The kangoos did great against the Japs

Pretty well, yes. Nice comeback. That's what the world cup is all
about. Accomplish the impossible. :) 

"MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> wrote 
in message news:d5qu821fppdm1so2d64v5dkif4sboor97f@4ax.com...
> IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER Zealot The
> Crazy Lui <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON
> MY COMPUTAR SCREEN!!!!:
>>they have a
>>chance against Italy.
>
> No.
>
> Just... no.

Italy isn't that good, at the moment. 

"Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
news:35i4m3xofa.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
> "The Arcane Chas" <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:2ccdnWA0pujEFw1f@the-arcane.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <62dr82163a6lqn3pi...@4ax.com>, but only after
>> serious contemplation, Zealot The Crazy Lui <ktwilson9999@NOSPAM.comcast
>> .net> put finger to keyboard and produced the following;
>>>So my prediction? USA manages to be runner-up in Group E only to be
>>>utterly slaughtered shortly after by Brazil.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> If you think the US has any chance at all against Italy you're living in
>> a *very* different world to the rest of us. :-}

Once again, this is not 1982 Italy. This is 2006 Italy, and Italy really
isn't all that at the moment. Those goals against Ghana were pretty lucky
if you ask me. And it should have been 2-1, because Ghana got cheated
out of a penalty. 

"Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
news:hfi4m3xtha.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...

> Uhmn... Frans is a Hollander?

Yes.

> ....  and he speaks like Overwind! (?)

Who? 

"MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> wrote 
in message news:p3qu82p60d4o6bpfn58tu0rurgvqn4rjrp@4ax.com...
> IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER Zealot The
> Crazy Lui <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON
> MY COMPUTAR SCREEN!!!!:
>
> Fussball is boring.
>
>
>
> And the US has always sucked at it, anyway, why do you care?

USA: Current FIFA world ranking: 5

Italy ranks at THIRTEEN. 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> 
> wrote in message news:p3qu82p60d4o6b...@4ax.com..
>> And the US has always sucked at it, anyway, why do you care?
>
> USA: Current FIFA world ranking: 5
>
> Italy ranks at THIRTEEN.

Fifa ranking means shit.... you get points for each win... so if you play 30 
easy sides you get ranked high, but it doesn't say anything about your teams 
actual skills compared to countries who actually played against good 
sides...

Italy's Luca Toni proved he can score against the best defenders in the 
world (golden boot winner last season)... and i don't exactly rate USA's 
defensive skills very high.

Cheers,
Low Profile 

"Low Profile" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in message 
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> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:128vnqu3anner44@corp.supernews.com...
>> "MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> 
>> wrote in message news:p3qu82p60d4o6b...@4ax.com..
>>> And the US has always sucked at it, anyway, why do you care?
>>
>> USA: Current FIFA world ranking: 5
>>
>> Italy ranks at THIRTEEN.
>
> Fifa ranking means shit.... you get points for each win... so if you play 
> 30 easy sides you get ranked high, but it doesn't say anything about your 
> teams actual skills compared to countries who actually played against good 
> sides...
>
> Italy's Luca Toni proved he can score against the best defenders in the 
> world (golden boot winner last season)... and i don't exactly rate USA's 
> defensive skills very high.
>
> Cheers,
> Low Profile


LMAO, what the hell are you doing here?! Only World Cup is qualified to 
bring you back from the dead, eh?
-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
> news:hfi4m3xtha.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>
>> Uhmn... Frans is a Hollander?
>
> Yes.
>
>> ....  and he speaks like Overwind! (?)
>
> Who?

Someone we know and he is quite a pretty good Terraner.
-- 
Steven Ung
The Ignorant Asian 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
> news:hfi4m3xtha.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>
>> Uhmn... Frans is a Hollander?
>
> Yes.

ahhh!! i'm not alone anymore! :D

>> ....  and he speaks like Overwind! (?)
>
> Who?

the r0x0ring w0x0r from Denmark!

Cheers,
Low Profile

"Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
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>
> LMAO, what the hell are you doing here?! Only World Cup is qualified to 
> bring you back from the dead, eh?
> -- 
> Steven Ung
> The Ignorant Asian

yeah sorry about that :P  .... i DO still lurk here once in a while ;)

Cheers,
Low Profile 

"Low Profile" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in message 
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>> USA: Current FIFA world ranking: 5
>>
>> Italy ranks at THIRTEEN.
>
> Fifa ranking means shit.... you get points for each win... so if you play 
> 30 easy sides you get ranked high, but it doesn't say anything about your 
> teams actual skills compared to countries who actually played against good 
> sides...

It's a benchmark, at least. In recent history, the USA have won from
Costa Rica and Mexico, both competing in this final tournament.
And if FIFA ranking means shit, why is Brazil #1?

> Italy's Luca Toni proved he can score against the best defenders in the 
> world (golden boot winner last season)... and i don't exactly rate USA's 
> defensive skills very high.

Luca Toni is just one player. He cannot win matches by himself. Del Piero
seems to be quite pissed off so I'm not expecting much out of him either,
other than yellow or red cards. 

IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER "Steven
Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON MY COMPUTAR
SCREEN!!!!:
>
>> Don't forget about Holland. We shall PWNZ0R and R0X0R!
>
>Uhmn... Frans is a Hollander?
>
>....  and he speaks like Overwind! (?)

No.

Unlike dutch people, Danes speak an almost sensible and understandable
language.

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "Low Profile" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in message 
> news:448feff9$0$31940$e4fe514c@dreader24.news.xs4all.nl...
>>> USA: Current FIFA world ranking: 5
>>>
>>> Italy ranks at THIRTEEN.
>>
>> Fifa ranking means shit.... you get points for each win... so if you play 
>> 30 easy sides you get ranked high, but it doesn't say anything about your 
>> teams actual skills compared to countries who actually played against 
>> good sides...
>
> It's a benchmark, at least. In recent history, the USA have won from
> Costa Rica and Mexico, both competing in this final tournament.
> And if FIFA ranking means shit, why is Brazil #1?

Brazil is #1 because they win most matches.... but that doesn't mean the 
table isn't rigged... USA mostly played 'easy opponents' ...
Holland's B-team beat the mexican team with relative ease... and Costa Rica 
is not exactly considered a strong team.
On that same list:  Egypt is above Germany (vice world champions) and above 
Greece (european champions)... just to show how imba that list is. :P

>> Italy's Luca Toni proved he can score against the best defenders in the 
>> world (golden boot winner last season)... and i don't exactly rate USA's 
>> defensive skills very high.
>
> Luca Toni is just one player. He cannot win matches by himself. Del Piero
> seems to be quite pissed off so I'm not expecting much out of him either,
> other than yellow or red cards.

Have you seen the match Italy vs Ghana? Italians are lethal, play as a real 
team, and they've set up their strikers many times... their only weakness is 
they tend to slow down/stop attacking once they have a 1 goal lead. And they 
beat the crap out of the dutch in a friendly  (dutch are ranked #3 as you 
probably know)

Cheers,
Low Profile

"MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> wrote 
in message news:4j809292cd2k7hn6anrbnkeaifvsh5vfsv@4ax.com...
> Unlike dutch people, Danes speak an almost sensible and understandable
> language.

It takes supernatural intelligence to speak Dutch. 

"Low Profile" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in message 
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>
> Brazil is #1 because they win most matches.... but that doesn't mean the 
> table isn't rigged... USA mostly played 'easy opponents' ...
> Holland's B-team beat the mexican team with relative ease... and Costa 
> Rica is not exactly considered a strong team.

They're still better than say... Belgium. The fact that they have entered 
the
final tournament says that they are strong enough to get there. And anything
can happen in the final tournament. Who would have thought that Turkey
would get to the semi-finals 4 years ago. Or South-Korea.

> On that same list:  Egypt is above Germany (vice world champions) and 
> above Greece (european champions)... just to show how imba that list is. 
> :P

Germany may have been world champions, their current team isn't strong
at all, and you probably know that. Uruguay has been world champion as
well, and they are practically non-existent now. Greece was a fluke, which
is proven by the fact that they are not even in this tournament.

>> Luca Toni is just one player. He cannot win matches by himself. Del Piero
>> seems to be quite pissed off so I'm not expecting much out of him either,
>> other than yellow or red cards.
>
> Have you seen the match Italy vs Ghana? Italians are lethal, play as a 
> real team, and they've set up their strikers many times... their only 
> weakness is they tend to slow down/stop attacking once they have a 1 goal 
> lead. And they beat the crap out of the dutch in a friendly  (dutch are 
> ranked #3 as you probably know)

I have seen Italy vs Ghana and I have already commented on that. I was
not impressed at all by Italy's play and Ghana even had more possession of
the ball in the second half. Also, they got cheated out of a penalty.
It was Ghana's first time in the world championships, and if Italy is that
good, they would have won by a larger margin and with more dominance.

Oh, and friendly games do not count. :D 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "Low Profile" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in message
> Germany may have been world champions, their current team isn't strong
> at all, and you probably know that. Uruguay has been world champion as
> well, and they are practically non-existent now. Greece was a fluke, which
> is proven by the fact that they are not even in this tournament.

But that current team beat 'your' Costa Rica 4-2... that's why i meant Costa 
Rica isn't a strong side... they play against poorly performing germans, and 
still lose with big numbers.
Besides, Germany will at least reach the semi finals... mark my words... I 
mean... they're GERMANS, they always come far... no matter how crappy they 
might have performed up till now :P  (and yes, we dutch hate them for that)
I agree Greece was a fluke, but so is the FIFA ranking system ;D

>
> Oh, and friendly games do not count. :D

They do in the FIFA ranking :P

Cheers!
Low Profile 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> 
> wrote in message news:4j809292cd2k7hn6anrbnkeaifvsh5vfsv@4ax.com...
>> Unlike dutch people, Danes speak an almost sensible and understandable
>> language.
>
> It takes supernatural intelligence to speak Dutch.

And according to Overwind 'a serious throat disease' :D

I disagree with him on that though :)

Cheers,
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> And according to Overwind 'a serious throat disease' :D
>
> I disagree with him on that though :)

They're jealous that they can't ask directions for "Scheveningen". :D

In article <ol1u82lr9nuear21q...@4ax.com>, but only after
serious contemplation, Zealot The Crazy Lui <ktwilson9999@NOSPAM.comcast
.net> put finger to keyboard and produced the following;
>On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:40:20 +0100, The Arcane Chas
><Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>LOL
>>
>>If you think the US has any chance at all against Italy you're living in
>>a *very* different world to the rest of us. :-}
>
>Like Fransy said, Italy looked a bit sloppy in the first half (as did
>Ghana, but that was to be expected). I think if the US team can get
>itself back together and put energy into the game rather than just
>doddling around like they did against Czech Republic, they have a
>chance against Italy.

What's the weather like in your world?

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

In article <128vnm4...@corp.supernews.com>, but only after serious
contemplation, Frans <phasysn...@yahoo.com> put finger to keyboard
and produced the following;
>"Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
>news:35i4m3xofa.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>> "The Arcane Chas" <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
>> news:2ccdnWA0pujEFw1f@the-arcane.demon.co.uk...
>>>
>>> If you think the US has any chance at all against Italy you're living in
>>> a *very* different world to the rest of us. :-}
>
>Once again, this is not 1982 Italy. This is 2006 Italy,

Which means that they're only guaranteed to beat the US without any
difficulty rather than absolutely annihilate them. ;-}

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

In article <128vnqu...@corp.supernews.com>, but only after serious
contemplation, Frans <phasysn...@yahoo.com> put finger to keyboard
and produced the following;
>
>USA: Current FIFA world ranking: 5
>
>Italy ranks at THIRTEEN. 

ROTFLMAO

I think that says more about the FIFA rankings than it does about either
team.

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

"Low Profile" <bl...@blah.com> wrote in message 
news:44902b57$0$432$e4fe514c@dreader24.news.xs4all.nl...
> But that current team beat 'your' Costa Rica 4-2... that's why i meant 
> Costa Rica isn't a strong side... they play against poorly performing 
> germans, and still lose with big numbers.

It is not "my" Costa Rica. Big numbers? A 2 goal diff isn't that much. And
the Germans did not perform poorly. I never said that. I said that their 
current
team isn't that good, but a team can grow in a tournament. Look at Holland
in the European Youth Championship. And a sidenote to that, van Basten
is an idiot that he didn't bring Huntelaar along.

> Besides, Germany will at least reach the semi finals... mark my words... I 
> mean... they're GERMANS, they always come far... no matter how crappy they 
> might have performed up till now :P  (and yes, we dutch hate them for 
> that)
> I agree Greece was a fluke, but so is the FIFA ranking system ;D

You're probably right about the Germans. They have this chauvinistic 
attitude
that makes them overcome huge barriers. It wasn't for nothing that one 
German
in WW2 was as effective as TWO allied soldiers.

>> Oh, and friendly games do not count. :D
>
> They do in the FIFA ranking :P

Not in the tournament. :D What I meant was, van Basten used those friendly 
games
to experiment a lot. And if you experiment, you're prepared, and often 
expect, to
lose. 

"The Arcane Chas" <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:rhHKYsAF6DkEFw9s@the-arcane.demon.co.uk...
> In article <128vnqu...@corp.supernews.com>, but only after serious
> contemplation, Frans <phasysn...@yahoo.com> put finger to keyboard
> and produced the following;
>>
>>USA: Current FIFA world ranking: 5
>>
>>Italy ranks at THIRTEEN.
>
> ROTFLMAO
>
> I think that says more about the FIFA rankings than it does about either
> team.

that's what I said...

just compare the teams that compete in the CONCACAF and the UEFA.
UEFA has 20 teams in the FIFA top 40 ...  CONCACAF only 3....

top10 UEFA:
1 Czech Republic
2 Netherlands
3 Spain
4 Portugal
5 France (ranked 8)
..
23 Ukraine (ranked 45)

top10 CONCACAF
1 Mexico
2 USA
3 Costa Rica
4 Honduras
5 Jamaica (ranked 46)

See the difference? enough said ^_^

Cheers,
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>"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>news:12909a0t7n19a06@corp.supernews.com...
>> "MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi> 
>> wrote in message news:4j809292cd2k7hn6anrbnkeaifvsh5vfsv@4ax.com...
>>> Unlike dutch people, Danes speak an almost sensible and understandable
>>> language.
>>
>> It takes supernatural intelligence to speak Dutch.
>
>And according to Overwind 'a serious throat disease' :D
>
>I disagree with him on that though :)
>
No, he is 100% correct.

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:46:30 +0100, The Arcane Chas
<Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>What's the weather like in your world?

Pretty nice. And the US is ranked #5 in the world (8 places ahead of
Italy). :)
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:59:27 +0800, "Steven Ung"
<ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote:
>LOL, Czech Republic is a very strong team and a force to be reckon with.

Of course they are. They're the highest ranked European team and #2
overall just behind Brazil. That doesn't mean USA's performance in the
game wasn't uncharacteristically pathetic (it was). They seriously
lacked energy and organization, and the Czech Republic took advantage
of it. If the USA was playing their top game, I still wouldn't be
surprised if they lost to Czech Republic, but I'd expect a closer
margin and some better playing.

>I doubt that USA is able to beat Italy, sorry.

We'll see Saturday. I think it can happen. 

>Perhaps that is why the choose to lose vs Czech? :p

That wouldn't make sense, as the winner of Group E (rather than the
runner up) wouldn't have to face Brazil at least until the final match
if ever.

>Prediction? That is a known fact actually :p

You just said you thought USA couldn't beat Italy, which would
probably make Italy the runner up and knock USA out in the first
round. I think Brazil will beat whoever is the runner up so it doesn't
really even matter that much.

>If you have no idea what this is all about then you're worst than a 
>Desperate Housewife. Nuff said

lolz.

>Playing in their own soil may give them added pressure. Let's hope all 
>strong team crashed out so that the World Cup can be a battle against all 
>newbies. That would definitely lighten things up :p

Heh. That would be funny. It wouldn't surprise me to see Germany in
the final though.

>Brazil might drown by their arrogant players if they are not willing to work 
>as a team but they do have strong players

Yeah... you can never count them out though.
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> IN TEH PALECE KNOWEN AS alt.games.starcraft, TEH FAGGORTER "Low
> Profile" <bl...@blah.com> DUMPED HIS GHEYE SHIET ON MY COMPUTAR
> SCREEN!!!!:
>>"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:12909a0t7n19a06@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "MuuMiMan" <ihatespamandyoumustremov...@mbnet.fi>
>>> wrote in message news:4j809292cd2k7hn6anrbnkeaifvsh5vfsv@4ax.com...
>>>> Unlike dutch people, Danes speak an almost sensible and understandable
>>>> language.
>>>
>>> It takes supernatural intelligence to speak Dutch.
>>
>>And according to Overwind 'a serious throat disease' :D
>>
>>I disagree with him on that though :)
>>
> No, he is 100% correct.

In other news, Holland is through to the second round. :D

"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:59:27 +0800, "Steven Ung"
> <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote:
>>LOL, Czech Republic is a very strong team and a force to be reckon with.
>
> Of course they are. They're the highest ranked European team and #2
> overall just behind Brazil. That doesn't mean USA's performance in the
> game wasn't uncharacteristically pathetic (it was). They seriously
> lacked energy and organization, and the Czech Republic took advantage
> of it. If the USA was playing their top game, I still wouldn't be
> surprised if they lost to Czech Republic, but I'd expect a closer
> margin and some better playing.
>
>>I doubt that USA is able to beat Italy, sorry.
>
> We'll see Saturday. I think it can happen.

Nope it did not happen, sorry. It was quite a wishful thinking though :p

>>Perhaps that is why the choose to lose vs Czech? :p
>
> That wouldn't make sense, as the winner of Group E (rather than the
> runner up) wouldn't have to face Brazil at least until the final match
> if ever.
>
>>Prediction? That is a known fact actually :p
>
> You just said you thought USA couldn't beat Italy, which would
> probably make Italy the runner up and knock USA out in the first
> round. I think Brazil will beat whoever is the runner up so it doesn't
> really even matter that much.

Italy kinda sucks nowadays :(

>>If you have no idea what this is all about then you're worst than a
>>Desperate Housewife. Nuff said
>
> lolz.
>
>>Playing in their own soil may give them added pressure. Let's hope all
>>strong team crashed out so that the World Cup can be a battle against all
>>newbies. That would definitely lighten things up :p
>
> Heh. That would be funny. It wouldn't surprise me to see Germany in
> the final though.

Well, like they always say (in our country at least) that the ball is round 
and anything can happen.

>>Brazil might drown by their arrogant players if they are not willing to 
>>work
>>as a team but they do have strong players
>
> Yeah... you can never count them out though.

The stronger they are the harder they fall
--
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The Ignorant Asian 

"Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
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>> We'll see Saturday. I think it can happen.
>
> Nope it did not happen, sorry. It was quite a wishful thinking though :p

They didn't lose either. 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
> news:9pjhm3xdih.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>>> We'll see Saturday. I think it can happen.
>>
>> Nope it did not happen, sorry. It was quite a wishful thinking though :p
>
> They didn't lose either.


We didn't say they would lose in the first place, so we were right <g>
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"Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
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> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:129crehg3q9tc5c@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
>> news:9pjhm3xdih.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>>>> We'll see Saturday. I think it can happen.
>>>
>>> Nope it did not happen, sorry. It was quite a wishful thinking though :p
>>
>> They didn't lose either.
>
>
> We didn't say they would lose in the first place, so we were right <g>

*YOU* said that they had NO (capitals in your post) chance against Italy.
That does not imply a tie. It implies losing. You could always argue 200 
posts
over it, but I'm sure you'll understand my meaning. 

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:48:10 +0200, "Frans"
<phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>*YOU* said that they had NO (capitals in your post) chance against Italy.
>That does not imply a tie. It implies losing. You could always argue 200 
>posts
>over it, but I'm sure you'll understand my meaning. 

Now the US has to beat Ghana and Italy has to beat the Czech Republic
for the US to advance. Hmmm. I almost would rather Ghana win the group
than have that happen....
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"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwils...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:48:10 +0200, "Frans"
> <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>*YOU* said that they had NO (capitals in your post) chance against Italy.
>>That does not imply a tie. It implies losing. You could always argue 200
>>posts
>>over it, but I'm sure you'll understand my meaning.
>
> Now the US has to beat Ghana and Italy has to beat the Czech Republic
> for the US to advance. Hmmm. I almost would rather Ghana win the group
> than have that happen....

That would be great (Ghana winning the group). A typical World Championship
accomplishment.Playing in such a tournament makes players and teams rise
above themselves. Italy vs. Czech = good match I'd say. 

"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> "Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
> news:4jbim3xnfn.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>> "Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>> news:129crehg3q9tc5c@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "Steven Ung" <ste...@nodomainname.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:9pjhm3xdih.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>>>>> We'll see Saturday. I think it can happen.
>>>>
>>>> Nope it did not happen, sorry. It was quite a wishful thinking though 
>>>> :p
>>>
>>> They didn't lose either.
>>
>>
>> We didn't say they would lose in the first place, so we were right <g>
>
> *YOU* said that they had NO (capitals in your post) chance against Italy.

... and a ":p" at the back of the post. That means something :p

> That does not imply a tie. It implies losing. You could always argue 200 
> posts
> over it, but I'm sure you'll understand my meaning.

The initial post was saying that if US beats Italy and we said no. Well of 
course Chas made a bolder statement in saying this statement and I quote

"Which means that they're only guaranteed to beat the US without any
difficulty rather than absolutely annihilate them. ;-}"

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".
-Unquote
BTW, English men (Chas especially) have a hard time to admit when they are 
wrong :p
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keyboard and produced the following;
>"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>news:129d3nqaboqij73@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> That does not imply a tie. It implies losing. You could always argue 200 
>> posts
>> over it, but I'm sure you'll understand my meaning.
>
>The initial post was saying that if US beats Italy and we said no. Well of 
>course Chas made a bolder statement in saying this statement and I quote
>
>"Which means that they're only guaranteed to beat the US without any
>difficulty rather than absolutely annihilate them. ;-}"

I did indeed make that statement and it demonstrates once again why one
should never put faith in Italians. ;-}

>BTW, English men (Chas especially) have a hard time to admit when they are 
>wrong :p

I *never* have a problem admitting making a mistake. The only reason you
might have for believing that to be true is that you weren't alive the
last time I made one. ;-}

-- 
Cheers,

Chas.

"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination".

"The Arcane Chas" <Ch...@the-arcane.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> I *never* have a problem admitting making a mistake. The only reason you
> might have for believing that to be true is that you weren't alive the
> last time I made one. ;-}

Who cares! England will kix0r t3h butz0r!