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Re: If it smells like a bot... is it?

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From: Phil Benton
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:00
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SC|Wizard,

Not that I disagree with anything you're saying, since I respect your
opinions on the subject, but how we do things in some eyes [like Chicken's]
may seem alright, were as to others [like SC|Wizard] it's inappropriate.

Everyone plays different based on their environment, and Nostromo is no
exception.  You can't use the tactics you need to play on the Nostromo
Lith-II server at places like Blue Sun James Bond Lithium, or Yoda's Rail
Barn. Simply put, you die a lot faster.

IMHO, I'd like to see the runes "detuned" a bit. The weapons are rather
balanced, but I agree with Wizard in regards to the ammo loadout being
reduced. As an admin on the server, I have the option to change these
settings, but I leave that up to the lead admin. The only change I have made
to the server was to place hook damage back on after it's been gone for over
a year. [suprisingly, it took about 3 days for anyone to notice!]

You're not the only individuals who have noted that our server [especially
as of late] "sucks". Members of my own team have also stated their dismay
over the last week or so. [Not over tactics, but regarding the server in
general] What is amounts to is we're having a daily "clan war" with one of
the other resident Clans on the server, {GDI} [ http://www.clangdi.com ] and
that's where a lot of this "teamplay" has been directed. Up until about 2-3
weeks ago things have always been cordial between us all, but lately there's
been a lot of  tension. Either competition has gotten out of hand, or
something still unspoken of occured. Coupled with the possibility that one
of their guys *may* be running a bot, it's gotten worse.

In either way, we [SS] refrain from teaming up on anyone outside of {GDI} as
practice unless it's warranted. which in reality isn't that often. Our
teamplay has stemmed from observing our opponents actions and compounding on
their tactics, using them against them, and using them every time they make
a showing.

Please don't think we beatdown on everyone that comes on the server or on
just anyone. I'd like to think we're better than that. Although I feel our
tactics as of late are a *lot* more aggressive than what we're used to
doing, I feel we're still within the limits of good taste.

As for "this guy" we've beaten on for a few days... he's in the above
mentioned Clan. Whether that justifies our methods in anyone elses opinion,
I am unsure. In my opinion, it does. I may be wrong for that, but that's a
decision I'll deal with as both team leader of [SS] and as a player. How my
team plays is almost directly dictated by mine and my lieutenants decisions.
They aren't responsible for my choices, but as team players they do honor
them. Don't fault my team for following my decisions. That lies on my
shoulders.
--
Phil Benton
eddi...@home.com


SC|Wizard <anyw...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:37BA3DB6.82807D70@bellsouth.net...
> Heh....
>
> Phil Benton wrote:
>
> > My team [Suicide Squad: http://www.surfnetinc.com/spectre/[ss] ] rarely
uses
> > teamplay unless:
> >
> > There's more than a "few" of the other guys wearing tags.
>
> Not a reason for Teamplay on a FFA server.
>
> >
> > The same guys above start teaming up.
>
> If this is the case then challenge them and take it to a teamplay server,
it
> doesn't belong on a FFA server.
>
> >
> > There's more than a few of the guys talking smack.
>
> Oh puhhhlease.  talking smack is part of the game, no reason to team up on
some
> poor defenseless soul, who probably has a higher ping that your clan
> anyhow...LAME
>
> >
> > There's the possibility that one [or more] of the guys are bots.
>
> If you think they're a bot, call them on it and see what they say.  If
they
> still won't leave, try and beat it yourself.  There's nothing more
satisfying
> than beating an autoaim proxy bot with your own skills.
>
> >
> > That we're asked to play in a match.
>
> This is the only one where teamplay is appropriate, but still should not
be
> condoned on a FFA server.  FFA is just for that, FFA, so if you wanna play
> teams, go to a GXMod or Tourney or Battleground mod server where you're
supposed
> to play in teams.
>
> >
> >
> > Otherwise, it's usually "FFA"
> >
> > As for whether we were intentionally teaming up on him, I'd be a lair if
I
> > said we weren't. And as for him getting the best of us or finding
someone
> > better, I find that unlikely, even though I'd be more than willing to
> > believe that. Guys that play Q2 on a regular basis run a regular
performance
> > in regards to their gameplay. I have yet to find anyone who's game is
off
> > one min and on the next, only to be back off again 20 min later, then
come
> > back unstoppable shortly there after. That kind of inconsistancy is
what's
> > gotten my attention, nothing more.
>
> So you have this guy that you've played on this server before.  Everytime
he
> jumps on this server and decides to play you guys team up on him.  That's
plain
> and simple...LAME.  I'd hate to be a part of your clan and have you out
here
> posting this rubbish on the newsgroup.  To me it's a disgrace to clans
> everywhere.  If I was the guy that you were teaming up on, I'd change
skins to
> match you guys, run past you, then turn around and shoot you in the back.
I
> posted a demo of a clan that did this to me a few months ago on a Rail
only
> server.  It was 5 against 1, and I kept changing my skin to meet theirs.
They
> got pissed off that I realized what they were doing, so they kept changing
> skins, and I just kept changing with them.  Team play on a FFA server is
LAME,
> end of story.
>
> >
> >
> > But hey, the conversation has been good for making aquaintences. =)
>
> No offense, but I don't want to have acquaintances like you if you team up
on
> FFA.  Nope.
>
> --
> SC|Wizard
> anyw...@bellsouth.net
> ICQ#:  21550487
> The StoneCutter's Homepage:
> http://www.baypoint.com/clan
> "VENI, VIDI, FERIO CALCAE PODEX-
> I came, I saw, I kicked ass."
>
>
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Date: 1999/08/18
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