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Hordur Kvaran (hor...@rhi.hi.is) writes:
> In <30f346c2...@news2.ios.com> lhsy...@gramercy.ios.com (Brian Tunning) writes:
> 
> I'd like to comment on only one thing:
> 
>>	Multiplayer using:	
>>		Modem Dialups
>>		Networks
>>		Serial Link (aka poor man's network)
>>		TCP/IP is under consideration, but i doubt it, due to thespeed
>>		and instability of the protocol.
>>		I'm sure quake will eventually support the new cable-modems
>>		in development, providing receive bandwidth up to
>>		36 megs a second! (though your system will only be able to
>>		handle between 300k/sec, to 10mb/s for now.)
> 
> TCP/IP under consideration???? What are you? A complete dimwit? TCP/IP is
> THE protocol to support and a must if you want internet play.  This protocol
> has been in from day one.  Has been there, is there and will be there.
> 
> Haven't you been listening to anything.  Don't you know anything.
> 
> And cable-modems.  Talking about ISDN?  If not please elaborate.  Give us

Haven't you been listening to anything? Don't you know anything?  I have
two words for you 'coaxial cable'.  Hopefully you can muster the brain
power to figure it out there...


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: 		TCP/IP is under consideration, but i doubt it, due to thespeed
: 		and instability of the protocol.

There are workarounds.  Have you heard of AlphaWorld - it uses vector motion
technology instead of (X,Y,Z) position updates, and due to its predictive
logic, its lag time is SHORTER than the lag time of the network itself.
Due to hints in Quake rumors, I belive iD software is using this approach.

While there will be slightly more erratic movements over the Internet in
Quake - as is the problem with predictive vector motion systems, which
degrade when lag time increase.  (iD did say network data would degrade,
which suggests the use of this technology).

Lag time should be very small in Internet Quake, a lot less than using
IHHD in DOOM for example (Internet Head to Head Daemon program)

For more info on AlphaWorld, connect to www.worlds.net/alphaworld/
Make sure you have a Pentium 90 with 16MB to use it, though!
You'll be impressed at its buildable, shared world, currently
with about 16,000 members....Sort of like a huge DOOM wad built by
1000 people....Unfortunately you can only see 30 meters ahead, since
the 3D layout data is stored on the server..

: 		I'm sure quake will eventually support the new cable-modems
: 		in development, providing receive bandwidth up to
: 		36 megs a second! (though your system will only be able to
: 		handle between 300k/sec, to 10mb/s for now.)

It's 36 mega BITS per second, not 36 megabytes per second.
Otherwise, you are talking about 288 megabit per second cable modems,
which have not been invented  ( 8 bits = 1 byte )

On top of that, cable modems are shared networks.  There will be many 
network segments (sorta like Ethernet) for now, so if 100 users are using
the same segment as you are on at the same time, you only get 1/100th the
speed...like 360 kilobit per second.   I've read this in several 
telecommunications magazines, and through my job.

Still, a lot faster than telephone modems!

Mark

Wow Horedump, as I read your postings I am overtaken by a sense of 
sparkling clarity....

It is clear you do not know what you are talking about.

1. Local cable companies are starting to offer internet access 
through their existing cable infrastructure.  Using the correct 
adapter, you can connect with speeds of at least 10mbps.This could 
easily be increased.  This service is currently availiable in some 
areas of Lansing, MI and will undoubtedly expand as cable companies 
get bought out by large telecom companies.

2. Real-time gaming over the internet as we know it will NEVER be 
feasible because of the lag times involved.  This will not be much of 
an issue because many access providers are offering dial-up 28.8 and 
ISDN access so you can play locally (Concentric is one.  By local I 
mean a 300 mile radius minimum)

3. You do not have to be rich to get ISDN.  Rates are under $40 a 
month for 2b+d access in most areas and prices will continue to drop 
as usage increases.  ISDN modems can be had for under $300 
(Motorola's Bitsurfer) and NT1's that allow you to plug in a serial 
cable as well as an analog phone are under $500 (remember, with this 
last option you would no longer need standard POTS)  ISDN is 
availiable in most urban areas and will rapidly expand (It will 
probably never get to the log you are under, Horedupe.)


Read some books instead of rolling and smoking them Hordur.