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This is in reference to <MPG.113d2ad34...@news.demon.co.uk>, in
which a one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> In article <bazA2.4747$pE6....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> tabm...@geoshitties.com says...

> > No, because they are not learned behaviours.  
> 
> Nor is homosexuality. If it is then so is heterosexuality.

Yes, heterosexuality can be.  Being black is not a behaviour
though.  You see the difference?
 
> > Views on 
> > homosexuality are not comparable to sex and race
> > discrimination, but are comparable to views on stealing,
> > rape, killing, etc.  
> 
> Not at all. 

[snip murder, rape, homosexuality, race, sex, etc.]

> Now these obviously compare since they have a victim of discrimination 
> and perpetrator(s) who are abusing them. 
> 
> You have claimed that homosexuality can be cured. It cannot.

There is more evidence suggesting it can be cured than there is
evidence that a gene is involved with it.

> You have claimed homosexuality is wrong because homosexuals invite 
> discrimination by their acts. This is comparable to any form of 
> discrimination based on sex, religion, ability, race, etc. It is not the 
> victim(s) that needs to change it is the perpetrator(s) of the abuse.
> 
> Discriminating against homosexuality is as bad as discriminating against 
> someone who has blue eyes. They are both genetic. They are both natural. 
> They are both immutable.

Obesity is genetic.  Alcoholism is genetic.  
Genetic != Good

[snip rape scenario]

> Now, can you honestly say that your feelings of hatred are only for what 
> he did and not against him? 

Yes, if he honestly really changed then I wouldn't hold it against him.
I wouldn't stop others from holding it against him though.

> And what do you do about the child?

Give it up for adoption.  (My mother is too old to have any more
children BTW.)

> If you met the guy in a bar would you buy him a beer and "shoot some 
> pool". During the conversation you could drop in, "Look I like you as 
> a person but you ought to get help with your rape problem". 

All this from someone who said homosexuality couldn't be compared
to rape :P

> > > > > What exactly is it you hate or fear?
> > > > 
> > > > Fear = nothing relevant to the conversation
> > > > Hate = Homosexuality.  Not homosexuals, homosexuality.
> > > 
> > > What is a homosexual? It is a person who is attracted to their own sex. 
> > > What is the problem with that? Nothing. 
> > > 
> > > I hate golf, I do not demand all golfers seek medical aid. Some people 
> > > are so inclined. 
> > > 
> > > As you can see from the above, I see your point, but your are talking 
> > > about a characteristic that cannot be "fixed" or "cured" and is as 
> > > natural as inter sex attraction and saying you hate it. Why if you love 
> > > the person so much must you demand they change? If you love the person 
> > > you accept them for everything that they are and everything that they do. 
> > > You cannot pick and choose which bits you will "allow". 
> > 
> > Oh, so it's all or nothing now. You either have to love someone
> > and support them on everything they do or hate them and be opposed
> > to everything they do.  Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.
> 
> Reading what you will again. If you cannot accept someone for everything 
> that they are, you do not accept them. Love is accepting someone for 
> everything that they are and therefore is all or nothing. Even if there 
> are things you do not like, you accept them. You do this not just with a 
> lover but with friends as well. If not then your are a bad lover/friend 
> and should look elsewhere.

If your brother/friend/son/whatever had a mental problem would you
want to help him get better?  Why or why not?

> > > > > The action makes the person what they are. 
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think so.  A non-smoker is still the same person they are
> > > > when they start smoking.  And then still the same person after that
> > > > when they stop.
> > > 
> > > Disagree.
> > 
> > They are the same person doing different things.  
> > If a murderer was sentenced to prison, and then he stopped,
> > he is still the same man he was when he killed someone.
> > He is also the same guy he was before he killed someone.
> 
> Wrong.

And you call it childish of me when I say similar things not
marked with an IMHO :P

He's the same guy, he has all the same memories, the same
DNA, the same wardrobe, the same adress, so unless he has
one of those multiple or split personality disorders, I
don't see how you can say he's a different person.

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