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This is in reference to <MPG.113cbb344...@news.demon.co.uk>, in
which a one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> In article <YanA2.4505$pE6....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> tabm...@geoshitties.com says...
> > > > There's no fear there, not even hatred.  I "love the sinner,
> > > > hate the sin".  
> > > 
> > > Are you saying you love all homosexuals without question? 
> > > If so why do you hate the "sin"? 
> > 
> > I hate the sin because it gets the *person* in trouble
> > (discrimination at the very least) when they could go and
> > seek professional help, get rid of it, and go on living
> > a normal life.
> 
> Do you hate coloured skin because the skin colour attracts discrimination 
> through racism? Would you prefer skin colour was always white so that 
> they would not have to suffer in this way? 
> 
> Do you hate female qualities because they attract discrimination through 
> sexism? Would you prefer females had only male qualities so that they 
> would not have to suffer in this way?
> 
> Hypocritical response expected :P

No, because they are not learned behaviours.  Views on 
homosexuality are not comparable to sex and race
discrimination, but are comparable to views on stealing,
rape, killing, etc.  I don't hate thieves, rapists,
homosexuals, and what have you but I *do* hate what they
do.

> > > What exactly is it you hate or fear?
> > 
> > Fear = nothing relevant to the conversation
> > Hate = Homosexuality.  Not homosexuals, homosexuality.
> 
> What is a homosexual? It is a person who is attracted to their own sex. 
> What is the problem with that? Nothing. 
> 
> I hate golf, I do not demand all golfers seek medical aid. Some people 
> are so inclined. 
> 
> As you can see from the above, I see your point, but your are talking 
> about a characteristic that cannot be "fixed" or "cured" and is as 
> natural as inter sex attraction and saying you hate it. Why if you love 
> the person so much must you demand they change? If you love the person 
> you accept them for everything that they are and everything that they do. 
> You cannot pick and choose which bits you will "allow". 

Oh, so it's all or nothing now.  You either have to love someone
and support them on everything they do or hate them and be opposed
to everything they do.  Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.

> > > The action makes the person what they are. 
> > 
> > I don't think so.  A non-smoker is still the same person they are
> > when they start smoking.  And then still the same person after that
> > when they stop.
> 
> Disagree.

They are the same person doing different things.  
If a murderer was sentenced to prison, and then he stopped,
he is still the same man he was when he killed someone.
He is also the same guy he was before he killed someone.

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