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This is in reference to <MPG.10dfb13e2...@news.demon.co.uk>, in which a
one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> In article <nRed2.3241$961....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> tabmok99....@damnspaz.com says...
> > > So how do you feel about Rosanne Barr?
> > 
> > I never liked her show, I'm glad it was cancelled, and they had way too much
>  
> > gay stuff in it.  In our society (societies, rather) sex sells.  What sells 
> > a lot these days is anything to do with homosexuality (movies like "In &
>  Out"
> > and "The Birdcage").  And that's a Bad Thing.
> 
> Do you not remember that before the sexual revolution the same was 
> thought of heterosexual sex? It was considered taboo. Fuck me only 100 
> years ago you were not allowed to show any flesh beyond you face and 
> hands. Have you seen pictures of bathing suites from the turn of the 
> century? These days we do not even where that many clothes when fully 
> dressed! ;)
> 
> Things change. 

There is Good Change, and Bad Change.  Me finding Change underneath the Couch 
is Good :)  My dog dying is Bad :(

> > It is based on a reason, in fact several of which I gave you.
> > 
> > Besides all the mentionings of it in the Bible, it is a crime against
> > nature.  Why do you think two men (or two women) cannot produce a baby?
> 
> So do you consider sex to be purely about reproduction?
> 
> What about shared intimacy and pleasure?

Shared intimacy and pleasure and all that good stuff is fine - but you must 
remember God (or nature, if you prefer) made sex oureky for reproduction and 
the survival of the species.

> > > > a wonderful occasion, and it's also beautiful to have something to show
> > > > for it (wedding rings) to remind you of your promise.
> > > 
> > > So you think people need reminding? When I commit to another person I do 
> > > not need some reminder of it. I consider my commitment complete without 
> > > needing a token to remind me of it at all times!
> > 
> > Good for you.  Maybe marriage isn't for everyone.  It shows that a man and a
>  
> > woman are willing to stay with each other forever, and it's a celebration of
>  
> 
> Unless they divorce or apply for the marriage to be annulled. 

I look at that stuff as I would any other lie.  There are degrees of lies 
though - not keeping a promise you originally intended is one thing, making a 
promise you never intended to keep is another.  If a marriage or other 
relationship goes bad, that is unfortunate - if someone marries for money or
sex, than that's a lot worse.

> > > > We can do it, and if other humans wanted to, they could also.
> > > 
> > > I don't think they could!
> > 
> > And you think otters could build pipes and sinks and faucets and crap :P
> 
> I think if they needed to then yes they probably could. 
> 
> Want != need.

Then that's the thing - humans can do things just for *wanting* to.  Animals 
have to wait until it's a necessity.

> > > Why? He is not being malicious. He is following his fucked up desires. As 
> > > would you be by killing a homosexual.
> > 
> > But my desires can at least be backed up.
> 
> By what? The bible? What else?

I don't quite know how to defend myself in a situation you created for me.  
Let's turn the tables a bit, let's say YOU decided to kill all the gay people. 
Now explain yourself.

> > > > I could never actually kill someone, so it wouldn't happen anyway.
> > > > I could see myself *charged* with murder, but that doesn't make it so.
> > > 
> > > I would consider you a murderer.
> > 
> > Well, you'd be wrong then.
> 
> Only in your eyes.

Maybe, maybe not.  I bet someone would back me up.

> > > > As for the maliciousness, it's just like some government agents giving
> > > > someone the electric chair.
> > > 
> > > But are they not implemented *God's* law for people like you who do not 
> > > have the courage to do so? :P
> > 
> > It's not so much the courage, it's more squeamishness then anything.
> 
> Yeah I am sure it is ;)

Well it is!  If I moved to some country where it was legal to kill gay people, 
I still couldn't bring myself to do it.

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