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This is in reference to <MPG.10de4669e...@news.demon.co.uk>, in which a
one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> In article <NgVc2.2562$961....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> tabmok99....@damnspaz.com says...
> > This is in reference to <MPG.10de24032...@news.demon.co.uk>, in
> > which a one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> > > In article <Z%Sc2.2527$961....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> > > tabmok99....@damnspaz.com says...
> > > > This is in reference to <MPG.10dd4275...@news.demon.co.uk>, in
> > >  which a
> > > > one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > So taking it a step further, we can safely say gay people in our 
society
> > >  feel 
> > > > imprisoned.  
> > > 
> > > Only by bigots such as yourself. 
> > 
> > You're missing the point.  Re-read the post and try to think what I had in 
> > mind.
> 
> Why don't you just clarify? I'd hate to jump to the wrong conclusion 
> here.

Would you agree that our society is imprisoning gay people (at least from
their perspective)?  And would you also agree that in a prison, people
practice gay sex?

Then it is obvious that it is unnatural in either case.

> > > > It doesn't.  Genetic defects that affect appearance, or mind, I have no 
> > > > problem with.  Ones that affect someone's behaviour patterns are
>  different, 
> > > > and it's important that people get treatment for it.  (And important
>  that 
> > > > someone find a treatment, if one doesn't exist.)
> > > 
> > > Why? Did you never hear of something called discrimination? It is when a 
> > > person or persons discriminate against one or more other persons. We have 
> > > it with race and with sex. There are also a multitude of other forms. 
> > > Basically by picking on one small characteristic of a person and calling 
> > > them unnatural is discrimination. If it is so unnatural how come there 
> > > are so many instances of it?
> > 
> > How come there are so many instances of drug abuse, rape, and murder?
> > Are these things okay also since there are so many instances of it?
> 
> And you were complaining about Alex comparing Apples with Oranges!

I'm not, I'm comparing red apples with green apples.

> > It is also very annoying when someone puts homosexuality in the same
> > class as race and sex.
> 
> Tough. :P
>
> I do not see why we should make a distinction. Maybe you would tell me 
> why you think I should.

I do not see why we should make a distinction between rapists and homos
either.

> > OK, but the option is there for you to get married in a courtroom by
> > signing a paper.
> 
> So what. Why do we *have* to declare it as a contract. Marriage is 
> supposed to be about the love between two people. Why does standing in a 
> Church or any other establishment make it better? 

Because it's a promise that you'll spend the rest of your life with her.
Marriage between a man and a woman is a beautiful thing.

> > I think God made us able to reason, and it's not just a dumb luck.
> 
> Sorry I forgot who I was talking to :P
> 
> Although, were you not earlier agreeing with "Origin of the Species"? Are 
> you now saying that the millions of years of evolution were shaped by 
> God's hand? 

Yes.  It is God's will that we have the ability to do these things.

> > > > > Yes - because it *is* very *smart* to blow the world up!
> > > > 
> > > > We haven't blown it up yet, so nyeh! :P  Just the fact that we could if
> > > 
> > > But we *have* blown up *parts* and tested blowing up others. 
> > > 
> > > > we wanted shows that we are better, because animals *can't* (unless they
> > > 
> > > No it is just everyone who can, knows they won't live to tell the tale. 
> > > It is fear that stops us launching not respect or brains.
> > 
> > Whatever it is that sops us, we are smart enough to get to that stage.
> 
> Fear is not commensurate with intelligence. An animal will run from fire 
> because it is afraid. Would you claim them superior for realising the 
> threat to their life? Why credit us with superiority cos we are too shit 
> scared to use our creation?

Animals aren't smart enough to *create* the fire though.  When I said "that 
stage," I didnt mean the stage of "not pushing the button", I meant the stage 
of having "the button" around.  I see now that I wasn't being real clear on 
that.

> > > > > Apes do not always eat with their hands. They may not have fashioned 
> > > > > tools from base metals but the will use wooden implements that they
>  will 
> > > > > hand make into a useable extraction and/or eating tool for say honey.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh.  Well we still have beter silverware.
> > > 
> > > I am sure they would disagree. What good is an ornate fork for eating 
> > > from a honeycomb?
> > 
> > You missed the point again.  Their silverware is very crude and primitive.
> 
> So is tribal cutlery. Are they inferior to us? :P

No, because they at least have the *potential* that animals don't have!

> > > > > Otters are very good plumbers!
> > > > 
> > > > What?
> > > 
> > > You know the creatures that live in rivers and build damns. They can also 
> > > direct the water in such a way as to limit the potential of damage during 
> > > floods etc. 
> > 
> > Great, but could they build a system of pipes that goes into their homes
> > and release water with the turning of a knob?
> 
> Do they need one? If they did I am sure they could.

I'm just as sure they couldn't.

> > > > But ants and bees cannot think for themselves - except for the queen.
> > > 
> > > "Soldiers" will defend the nest without direction. It is their job. 
> > > Workers work without the overseeing of every single task by the fat slug 
> > > ruling them. They have enough free thought to carry out their task and 
> > > ensure the future of their species and the protection of their home. They 
> > > work together. 
> > 
> > They wrok together but they work as one - the queen bee is guiding them
> > every step of the way.
> 
> They work to one aim as any group in any species. Look at a factory. 
> Shits loadsa people ultimately working towards one aim for *one* overall 
> boss/owner!

I'm not being clear again.  Ants and bees communicate with each other 
psychically.  It's not like how see in the sci-fi movies, where one
ant would think a question, the next would think an answer, etc.
With ants, there's a queen bee thinking which way they should go for food,
how to do this and that, etc.  The worker ant pretty much has no thought
of his own, he can walk around, and do basic things but not much else.

> Murder is the "unlawful" taking of another persons life. Do you think if 
> you went on a gay bashing spree and *killed* anyone you came across you 
> would get away with it since in your belief it is not murder. Or do you 
> think you would be pissing your pants in the chair while you fried having 
> been convicted of Murder in the First Degree!

Even though the *charges* would be murder, it really wouldn't be.  Murdering
is, according to the New Webster's Dictionary, "homicide with premeditated and 
malicious intent."  If I went on a gay bashing spree, that wouldn't really be 
"malicious."  And it might not even be premeditated, if I just went crazy like 
in the situation you gave.  

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