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This is in reference to <MPG.10dbe386f...@news.demon.co.uk>, in which a
one ma...@mhetherington.demon.co.uk (Mark) wrote:
> In article <LUfc2.2190$961....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
> tabmok99....@damnspaz.com says...
> > > I think that you will find that as you said, the bible was written in 
> > > large part to explain the unexplainable. The guys writing it did *not* 
> > > know the real explanation and it was not for lack of language merely 
> > > lack of investigation and knowledge. 
> > 
> > No no no.  The bible was written by prophets, who were directed by God.  God
>  
> I know at the end of the message you claim your minority status to be a 
> disadvantage and so did not want to open this up, but since I asked you 
> not use "God" as a basis for "your" opinion (which you have ignored) 

I'm not using it as a basis, but as a backup.

> and  that supposedly 95% of the human race believe in some form of deity
> (one hell of a minority mate ;) ) , I am going to do it anyway. 

That's SOME form, not the one I believe in and not in the way I interpret it.
Plus, I'm one of the only ones here who believes in some kind of God at all :)
So, try to open this can of worms and I'll just ignore them :)

> I would be interested to know your level of "devotion"(?) I do not know 
> the correct term. ;)

I don't really go to church that often, but I more or less live my life by 
the Scriptures.

> > didn't teach them all about evolution, natural selection, or any of the
>  other 
> > things we know about today.  
> 
> Did not Adam eat of the "Tree of Knowledge"? Surely this was indicative 
> than Man had been blessed/cursed with *all* knowledge. 

No it doesn't.  That's like saying that reading the newspaper will inform you 
of *all* news going on.

> Isn't it interesting that most of man's worst fears are based on being 
> second to top. E.g. Vampires - preying on the blood of Man. And isn't it 
> arrogant that we think the only thing "better" than us could be a 
> slightly different version!

No we don't.  We think about aliens, too.

> > > Animals can be both mesmerised and fearful of fire. As can we.
> > > 
> > > Look at the mating "rituals" of many animals. No they do not have night 
> > > clubs, but there is a process that animals go through to attract a mate 
> > > and get laid. 
> > > 
> > > We could be here forever but I think you'll get the idea. :)
> > 
> > Well like I said, people are animals too.  But better ones.
> 
> No, you said and I quote *verbatim* "Maybe, but we're not animals, we're 
> people." You should have learned from WIB that Alex and I have a pretty 
> good memory of what each other said. ;)

OK...  meaning, we're not jungle animals or barnyard animals.  We're the ones 
at the top of the food chain.  Even though we are mammals, and mammals are 
animals, so we are animals *technically*, we're people and not animals.

> Eventually I asked - why better? You claimed our accomplishments which I 
> pointed out as relatively insignificant in the larger scale of things but 
> now you agree our origins make us animals and regardless of your standard 
> human "better ones" comment, we obviously deserve no better or worse than 
> animals.

Well if you really believe that, than you should be all for the legalization 
of drugs.  Why is it OK for cats to take catnip but not for humans to take 
pot?  Since we are both animals and don't deserve better treatment..?

The truth is, we're better, we're on top, and we have a responsibility to act 
better, regardless of whether or not we do.  Is that a run on sentence or 
what? :)

> Cannot resist bringing it up but since a large number of Church officials 
> are homosexual and you have an obvious problem with homosexuality, how do 
> you stand going to church? ;) 

Heh, I don't really go often.  I'll explain the answer below.

> I think the Church's acceptance of homosexuality is just because if they do
> not, then they are the most hippo critical organisation in the world. 

Really?  I think that by *accepting* it, they become hypcrites.  

But anyway, there are pro-gay churches, and traditional churches.  Traditional 
churches are the ones recognize passages like "Thou shalt not lie with man as 
one lies with a woman; it is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)  Pro-gay 
churches were developed primarily because of gay people.  Gay people just 
found out their lifestyle was immoral and against the word of God.  They 
couldn't give it up, and the idea of eternal damnation didn't really appeal to 
them either - so what did they do?  They took the easy way out.  They chose to 
belive in the same God, but with different rules that would excuse them of 
their sin.  They mock my religion, and if everyone did this there would be no 
reason for Christians to obey the Ten Commandments.  

Plus, there are two main branches of Christianity - Protestant and Catholic.  
I'm a Catholic.  When the Protestant branch was formed, they changed one of 
the Commandments which is a really dumb idea.  Catholics and Jews live by the 
same Commandments however.

> > I will say however, that people have had 
> > life and death situations where they came back, that are unexplainable by 
> > doctors.
> 
> And your point? Your "example" is not quite clear so I am assuming you 
> are talking about return to life after being pronounced "dead". 

Yeah, that's right.

> Doctors are overworked and make mistakes and I am sure this accounts for 
> a number of suddenly inexplicable cases. As for the others, I think you 
> will find it is merely a good example of the power of life and every cell 
> striving to survive which causes this "apparent" death into life 
> scenario. 
> 
> Besides, what does the bible have to say about those who return from the 
> dead. I recall there is mention and that is not too complimentary ;)

Well these people remember talking to God and asking to go back to Earth, and 
God gave them the okay.  And then they were back.  

> In conclusion, drawing on other parts of the thread, particularly with 
> regard to preservation of life (ignoring suicide and abortion since your 
> views are obviously not your own) 

OK pal, you have crossed the line.  All my views are my own, my belief in 
Christ as the Saviour only enhances them.

> how many people have died in the name  of Gods. How many wars between
> nations believing in a different one to their neighbour? How many innocent
> women slaughtered as "witches" in the name of God? Look at Northern Ireland,
> a small part of a small island with a rift caused in the main by problems
> between Protestant and Catholic factions. I know NI has other issues these
> days, but the roots are in religion and for fuck's sake they believe in such
> similar things as to make the difference inconsequential. No wonder the less
> developed countries in the world constantly fight over religion! 

Well that's not God or religion's fault - it's their's.  There are a lot of 
people today that can handle religion responsibly.  Jesus didn't tell them to 
fight, no one did, if they're going to do it, it's their own fault.

I think they should just sit back and let people choose their religion and not 
fight about it.  Such things like this cant be proven and it's not worth 
fighting over.

> In case you have actually bothered to read this reply and are not too 
> pissed off with me, I'll tell you why I have the views I do. If you are 
> still "talking" to me after this, maybe you will let me in on why you 
> believe in God and whatever else you do. :)

I don't feel like I have to validate my belief for any reason.  I have however 
read and saw why you don't believe.  I just think, I have my religion, you 
don't want one, fine.  I'm not going to try to convert you or anything, you 
could at least show a little courtesy and not mock my faith.

> No  "believer" could answer a simple question that I had and as I grew
> older  I expected it to turn out to be another Santa Claus. 

I got a little confused when I was younger, and actually believed in Santa 
Claus and not God.  I sorted things out and figured it was the other way 
around :)

BTW, isn't he called Father Christmas over there?

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