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In article <5h1c2.2054$961....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
tabmok99....@damnspaz.com says...
> > > "All animals were put on Earth for man's salvation."  There's good enough 
> > > reason for me.
> > 
> > I dread to think where that quote comes from :(
> 
> It's nothing to make a sad face about.

Do you really want to go there?

> > > Human kind didn't all come from Adam and Eve.  That was just a myth that was
> >  
> > > used to explain things to epople in the olden days.  People were simpler
> >  back 
> > > then and wouldn't be able to understand the scientific things we have today 
> > > (like DNA, evolution, any of that stuff.)
> > 
> > You are talking as if these things were know about and just kept secret 
> > :P
> 
> Not secret exactly, they just didn't want to confuse people with all this 
> scientific jargon.  They probably didn't have words back then that would fit 
> anyway :)

So did Charles Darwin just plagiarised his "Origin of the Species" from 
some guy 2000 years before? :P

I think that you will find that as you said, the bible was written in 
large part to explain the unexplainable. The guys writing it did *not* 
know the real explanation and it was not for lack of language merely 
lack of investigation and knowledge. 

> > Still, nice to know you appreciate the origin of the species. 
> 
> Yeah, and it's also nice to know that if the human race does fall, it is 
> possible for it form from creatures that resemble apes.

I doubt the human race would ever "reform" through future evolution. We 
are currently facing a threat from Natural Selection ourselves through 
increasingly deadly and incurable illness. That is if we don't just all 
kill ourselves in the meantime. 

> > We may be the "height" of the evolutionary chain, and although we never 
> > came from the mythical Adam and Eve, we as in all mankind and every 
> > living thing started of as slime a few billion years ago. Many animal 
> > species around today that we haven't yet wiped into extinction or 
> > genetically modified to an unrecognisablee form have been around for far 
> > more than the mere one million we have. 
> >
> > So what makes us so special? What makes us any different from animals 
> > other than our arrogant attitude and desire to become the God that fewer 
> > and fewer people believe in? 
> 
> Language.  Humour.  The fact that we can build complicated high tech things 
> like video games and web pages and all this other crap.  Can you imagine two 

Ants build. Birds build. Apes and even some birds utilised tools that 
they make themselves. What makes us better? Other than an immense 
appetite for destruction, what have we as a race achieved? What is the 
difference between a couple of Apes fighting with the stronger becoming 
leader and Politics. 

If you think we are so different from animals just take a closer look at 
man. Our DNA structure contains DNA patterns for most mammals on the 
planet and even has strands from the pre-mammal era. We are just a 
different species, we are not just different!

Still not convinced. Then look at people. Watch them, learn from them and 
then watch animals. Look out for the *very* similar behavioral patterns. 

Ants have their very own dairy farms in the form of green fly which they 
milk regularly but do not kill. They will even go so far as to protect 
their "farms". As do we.

Many animals can create and use tools. As can we.

Animals realised the truth of the saying "strength in numbers" when under 
threat from predators. As do humans.

Animals can be both mesmerised and fearful of fire. As can we.

Look at the mating "rituals" of many animals. No they do not have night 
clubs, but there is a process that animals go through to attract a mate 
and get laid. 

We could be here forever but I think you'll get the idea. :)

> monkeys trying to have this same discussion in three different countries like 
> we are now?

No but nor can I imagine themselves going to war or trying to take over 
another country or fighting over whose religion is the right one ... the 
list could also go on for ever. :)

> OK, the Bible is mistranslated a lot.  But Leviticus 20:13 is clear:
> 
> "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
> them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
> their blood shall be upon them." 
Hang on, didn't you read my comment ... "we long ago realised that the 
bible is *not* law." 

I am really trying to stay away from this so I'll ask once again. Do you 
*really* want to go there?

> They deserve the death penalty, it is very clear.  Now there is a need for 
> separation of church and state, however homosexuality isn't just a crime 
> against God, it's a crime against nature.

Where we go from here largely depends on how you think your "faith" could 
stand up to scrutiny. It has been very difficult to stay clear of it in 
this message but if you answer "Yes" to my earlier question then we can 
discuss it. If your answer is "No" please keep to your own opinions and 
feelings and not those of long dead "fiction" writers. :)

I so want you to say Yes :)

-- 
Mark