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"Compfix" <compfix@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Has anyone had a play with open TTD?  I must say, it does not seem to have 
>as much going for it as the patched Transport Tycoon.  

Agree 100%.

>Thank you to all the 
>folk doing work on the patches etc., it really has given the game a new 
>lease of life.  

Seconded!

>Shame about Locomotion.

Agree 100%.  The biggest possible disappointment from the otherwise
outstanding Mr Chris Sawyer.

Really the patch is just incredible. Its more than just given it a new 
lease on life, its now more enjoyable than when it was new, IMHO. And 
thats saying a lot about a game that is over 10 years old! That said one 
day OTTD will surpass it as it becomes more feature rich than the patch 
and the new graphics engine is introduced. However I expect I'll always 
play the odd game of ttd patch, it will always have the charm that a 
well developed ottd will loose.

Compfix wrote:
> Has anyone had a play with open TTD?  I must say, it does not seem to have 
> as much going for it as the patched Transport Tycoon.  Thank you to all the 
> folk doing work on the patches etc., it really has given the game a new 
> lease of life.  Shame about Locomotion.
> 
> Bob 
> 
> 

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:52:04 +1000, jixor wrote:
> Really the patch is just incredible. Its more than just given it a new 
> lease on life, its now more enjoyable than when it was new, IMHO. And 
> thats saying a lot about a game that is over 10 years old! That said one 
> day OTTD will surpass it as it becomes more feature rich than the patch 
> and the new graphics engine is introduced. However I expect I'll always 
> play the odd game of ttd patch, it will always have the charm that a 
> well developed ottd will loose.

It hasn't really shown all that much progress of catching up... there's
progress, but it's not getting any closer.  How many years did it take for
elrails to be implemented?  And PBS, that was two or three months in the
patch and another two or three to get most of the bugs ironed out, and
after over a year OTTD still doesn't have it in a usable state?  And all
the missing newgrf features, and trams, and one-way roads, and soon
articulated road vehicles...

Also, the OTTD developers place more emphasis on them making what they
consider to be the right choices and leaving fewer options for the player.
So elrails can't be turned off if you don't like it, for example.

I'm not saying OTTD is bad or that its coders are bad.  OTTD is definitely
nice for platforms that TTD doesn't run on (although I'm happy with TTD
running under Wine on Linux) and for multiplayer games, but it also shows
that "we have the C source code so it'll be easier and faster to write new
features" is nothing but a myth. You do potentially draw from a larger
pool of possible coders, maybe.

Besides, TTDPatch features can be written in C too (with some assembly
wrappers, though).

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You completely forgot the absolute FANTASTIC multiplayer mode of 
OpenTTD. Multiplayer with TTDPatch just sucks.

Today, Internet has become extremely cheap and so I want to play with 
other people instead of with that still stupid AI. And yes, the AI is 
VERY stupid, even in TTDPatch.

I know you are developer of TTDPatch and you have a relationship to your 
project. But still, OpenTTD has a alot of great features TTDPatch will 
never have. The screen resolution for example. TTDPatch doesn' t do that 
right at all.

And, sorry, GRFsets nice and shiny, but these are not that very 
important IMHO. The really important parts of them (showing the 
graphics) already works fine in OpenTTD so who wants more?

Another nice option for OpenTTD: The posibility to easily write your own 
patches. Not possible with OpenTTD. ASM is something for real cracks 
like you ;-).

Mario Schmidt wrote:
> 
> You completely forgot the absolute FANTASTIC multiplayer mode of 
> OpenTTD. Multiplayer with TTDPatch just sucks.

Well it doesn't 'suck' as long as you play on LAN and not via the WWW

> Today, Internet has become extremely cheap and so I want to play with 
> other people instead of with that still stupid AI. And yes, the AI is 
> VERY stupid, even in TTDPatch.
> 
> I know you are developer of TTDPatch and you have a relationship to your 
> project. But still, OpenTTD has a alot of great features TTDPatch will 
> never have. The screen resolution for example. TTDPatch doesn' t do that 
> right at all.

Excuse me? you can have any resolution you want in TTDPatch what isn't 
right about that? (and please try the patch before you shout...)

> And, sorry, GRFsets nice and shiny, but these are not that very 
> important IMHO. The really important parts of them (showing the 
> graphics) already works fine in OpenTTD so who wants more?

Is that the important part? I'd guess that is the least important thing? 
Gameplay wise everything but the graphics is important..

> Another nice option for OpenTTD: The posibility to easily write your own 
> patches. Not possible with OpenTTD. ASM is something for real cracks 
> like you ;-).

Anyway I don't like this attitude, I haven't read in the past messages 
anything bad about OTTD, except that the development is slow. So why 
this tone?

> It hasn't really shown all that much progress of catching up... there's
> progress, but it's not getting any closer.  How many years did it take for
> elrails to be implemented?  And PBS, that was two or three months in the
> patch and another two or three to get most of the bugs ironed out, and
> after over a year OTTD still doesn't have it in a usable state?  And all
> the missing newgrf features, and trams, and one-way roads, and soon
> articulated road vehicles...

To be fair though, newgrf features ARE being implemented, and OpenTTD now 
compared with a couple of versions ago features a whole load more newgrf 
than it once did. All in good time... ;-)

Anyway, we've had too many of these topics on the forums, as most people 
know, I like both TTDPatch and OpenTTD. :-)

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Daan wrote:

> Well it doesn't 'suck' as long as you play on LAN and not via the WWW

I've yet to have a stable game even on a LAN that lasts for more than
a few years. Although I've not tried it since about 2.0b40, so it
might have improved in the latest releases.
 
> Excuse me? you can have any resolution you want in TTDPatch what isn't 
> right about that? (and please try the patch before you shout...)

Huh? I thought TTD was limited to running 640x480 - are you saying
that newer versions of the Patch allow you to run it larger than that?
If so - how have I missed that?!

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Stevie D wrote:
> Daan wrote:
>>Well it doesn't 'suck' as long as you play on LAN and not via the WWW
> 
> I've yet to have a stable game even on a LAN that lasts for more than
> a few years. Although I've not tried it since about 2.0b40, so it
> might have improved in the latest releases.

It has, it now supports up to 8 players even.
http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=EnhanceMultiplayer

>>Excuse me? you can have any resolution you want in TTDPatch what isn't 
>>right about that? (and please try the patch before you shout...)
> 
> Huh? I thought TTD was limited to running 640x480 - are you saying
> that newer versions of the Patch allow you to run it larger than that?
> If so - how have I missed that?!

http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Resolution
(to simply zoom the window, there's the StretchWindow switch too)

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Josef Drexler wrote:

> It has, it now supports up to 8 players even.
> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=EnhanceMultiplayer

Great - I'll have to give that a try.
 
> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Resolution
> (to simply zoom the window, there's the StretchWindow switch too)

Ah - I generally use the DOS version rather than the Windows one.

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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:47:39 +0100, Stevie D wrote:

> Josef Drexler wrote:
> 
>> It has, it now supports up to 8 players even.
>> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=EnhanceMultiplayer
> 
> Great - I'll have to give that a try.
>  
>> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Resolution
>> (to simply zoom the window, there's the StretchWindow switch too)
> 
> Ah - I generally use the DOS version rather than the Windows one.

Actually, enhanced multiplayer requires the Windows version as well.  
That would explain how you've missed it...

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Daan schrieb:

> Well it doesn't 'suck' as long as you play on LAN and not via the WWW

Still, ingame chatting, RCON etc. are _a lot_ more comfortable.

> Excuse me? you can have any resolution you want in TTDPatch what isn't 
> right about that? (and please try the patch before you shout...)

No. TTDPatch does not do this right. Things are not correctly centered 
etc. It just looks like a hack.

> Is that the important part? I'd guess that is the least important thing? 
> Gameplay wise everything but the graphics is important..

Yes. Graphics are not _the_ important part. But gameplay wise, OTTD 
still has more features (sorting in list windows, ingame-patch-window, 
great internet play mode etc.).

> Anyway I don't like this attitude, I haven't read in the past messages 
> anything bad about OTTD, except that the development is slow. So why 
> this tone?

You got me wrong. I like Josef' s work etc. But I still prefer OTTD and 
I just wanted to state why.

Owen Rudge schrieb:

> Anyway, we've had too many of these topics on the forums, as most people 
> know, I like both TTDPatch and OpenTTD. :-)

Which is OK. But Josef pulled OTTD into the dust compared to his 
TTDPatch which was not very nice (And reasonless).

I know that OTTD looks very promising, but TTDPatch is getting features 
in much more quickly, like Josef said, and that's why, at least for the 
forseeable future, I will still be using TTDPatch. :D
The shots of the new OTTD graphics engine looks good, but I've been 
seeing shots since the beginning of last year, and it gets boring 
eventually... ;)

"Jonty" <tycooninterchange@tiscali.co.uk> kirjoitti 
viestissń:44829fae$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>I know that OTTD looks very promising, but TTDPatch is getting features in 
>much more quickly, like Josef said, and that's why, at least for the 
>forseeable future, I will still be using TTDPatch. :D
> The shots of the new OTTD graphics engine looks good, but I've been seeing 
> shots since the beginning of last year, and it gets boring eventually... 
> ;)

this might end up in lots and lots and lots and even more crappy "patches", 
ie. graphics that don't fit correctly etc. in TTDP that is. 

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:49:50 +0200, Mario Schmidt
<mario.schmidt@mediavillage.de> wrote:

>Daan schrieb:
>
>> Well it doesn't 'suck' as long as you play on LAN and not via the WWW
>
>Still, ingame chatting, RCON etc. are _a lot_ more comfortable.
>
>> Excuse me? you can have any resolution you want in TTDPatch what isn't 
>> right about that? (and please try the patch before you shout...)
>
>No. TTDPatch does not do this right. Things are not correctly centered 
>etc. It just looks like a hack.

I must say that I disagree - yes, things aren't properly centred, but
I can't say that it looks bad as a result - I run the windows version
at 1024x768 on an 1152 desktop, and it looks exellent as far as I'm
concerned....

Chris