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nylon.net schrieb:

> Still, folks.  You can't bitch too much.  Lord Chris has finally 
> delivered on his promise to upgrade TTD!

A really bad "upgrade". Locomotion does neither look nicer nor play 
better than TTD.

OpenTTD already rules away Locomotion by far.

"Mario Schmidt" <mario.schmidt@mediavillage.de> wrote in message
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> nylon.net schrieb:
>
>> Still, folks.  You can't bitch too much.  Lord Chris has finally
>> delivered on his promise to upgrade TTD!
>
> A really bad "upgrade". Locomotion does neither look nicer nor play better
> than TTD.
>
> OpenTTD already rules away Locomotion by far.

Agreed 100%

Bob

nylon.net wrote on Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:09:44 +1000:
> I apologise if this has been raised before, but...
> 
> Will 'The Patch' be maintained now that Locomotion has arrived?

Once I get over the most pressing "just another dual track line to 
finish" urges, I'll probably go back to the patch.

> Or will there soon be a LocoPatch?

At the moment this is unlikely.  Locomotion's EULA explicitly forbids 
what the patch does, and until a lawyer tells me that that provision is 
void, I'm not going to do anything... (which is another reason why I'll 
go back to TTD, I like to take my toys apart and put them back together 
in ways unimagined before...)

> Maybe Josef should get in touch with Lord Chris (and finally earn a 
> well-deserved dollar for his great Tycooning efforts) by collaborating 
> with the bugfixes, documentation deficiencies and gameplay enhancements 
> in Locomotion II.

Heh, keep dreaming :)

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Compfix wrote on Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC):
> 
> "Mario Schmidt" <mario.schmidt@mediavillage.de> wrote in message
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> > nylon.net schrieb:
> >
> >> Still, folks.  You can't bitch too much.  Lord Chris has finally
> >> delivered on his promise to upgrade TTD!
> >
> > A really bad "upgrade". Locomotion does neither look nicer nor play better
> > than TTD.
> >
> > OpenTTD already rules away Locomotion by far.
> 
> Agreed 100%

Disagreed 100% :p

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Mario Schmidt wrote on Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:12:23 +0200:
> nylon.net schrieb:
> 
> > Still, folks.  You can't bitch too much.  Lord Chris has finally 
> > delivered on his promise to upgrade TTD!
> 
> A really bad "upgrade". Locomotion does neither look nicer nor play 
> better than TTD.

In your humble(?) opinion.  I personally find it more fun, actually, 
mostly due to the realism and the nice smooth vehicle motion and more 
realistic tracks with curves.  I enjoy the freedom I get from the third 
dimension, even though the AI abuses that sometimes.

It's got lots of nice touches, such as trains having realistic breaking 
distances, better signalling (including pre-signals, even though not by 
name), more track systems like narrow gauge, trams etc.

But most of all I like how easy it is to add new stuff to it, new 
vehicles, bridges, houses, industries, cargo types, anything.  Extremely 
moddable.  Oh that reminds me, I don't think I've ever posted it here: 
http://www.ttdpatch.net/loco/ for a tool to decode/encode object .dat 
files and http://wiki.locomotiondepot.net/index.php/Main_Page for some 
information on the file structures.

> OpenTTD already rules away Locomotion by far.

You complain that Locomotion doesn't have nicer graphics than TTD (which 
I absolutely disagree with, Locomotion's graphics are far more detailed), 
but OpenTTD actually uses the same old graphics and now it doesn't bother 
you?

But then, I've never been a big fan of OpenTTD mostly due to its legally 
uncertain origins as a copy of TTD's copy.

Besides, it doesn't even support the new graphics of the patch, so it's 
no contender at all ;)

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Josef Drexler schrieb:

> In your humble(?) opinion.  I personally find it more fun, actually, 
> mostly due to the realism and the nice smooth vehicle motion and more 
> realistic tracks with curves.  I enjoy the freedom I get from the third 
> dimension, even though the AI abuses that sometimes.

I never played RCT before. When I first tried Locomotion, I wasted all 
my money when I tried to raise some land. It ended in a single tile, 200 
meters above sea-level. Very realistic, really. And very comfortable, 
really. The new (old?) build system is just lame!

> It's got lots of nice touches, such as trains having realistic breaking 
> distances, better signalling (including pre-signals, even though not by 
> name), more track systems like narrow gauge, trams etc.

Yes, but I think especially the rail system has been simplified way too 
much. When I heard "Locomotion" for the first time, I thought "Great, a 
game like TTD with special focus on the rail system". But what is this?

Sure, there are new features like trams and bus stops. But hey, where is 
the realism? No depots, new vehicles just drop down from heaven.

An the worst thing: Cool, Locomotion supports more variants for 
terraforming! But how comes, that now its just normal to see something 
like tracks or even stations over houses in a small village with 1000 
inhabitants? Or these sharp edges gorges everywhere? Everything looks 
more angularly than in TTD. And the snow looks like bad white-pixel 
icing sugar.

> You complain that Locomotion doesn't have nicer graphics than TTD (which 
> I absolutely disagree with, Locomotion's graphics are far more detailed), 
> but OpenTTD actually uses the same old graphics and now it doesn't bother 
> you?

No, it doesn' t bother me in OpenTTD nor TTD. Locomotions graphics are 
are browned out, everything looks like autumn and the cities look like 
shanties. TTD has bright and friendly colors and since OpenTTD, I can 
enjoy them in high-res at 1400x1050 (Notebook). Even the all-new 
Locomotion does not support that (very common for Notebooks) resolution!

> But then, I've never been a big fan of OpenTTD mostly due to its legally 
> uncertain origins as a copy of TTD's copy.

Currently, you need TTD original files to run OpenTTD. I don' t care 
about copyright when there is no place other than ebay where you can buy 
the original legally.

> Besides, it doesn't even support the new graphics of the patch, so it's 
> no contender at all ;)

It will support them better in the future.

Mario Schmidt wrote:

[locomotion assessment]

> A really bad "upgrade". Locomotion does neither look nicer nor play
> better than TTD.

Admittedly, from a graphics´ point of view it´s lacking quality in more than one
respect given the possibilities there must have been by using rendered 2D
sprites from 3D modelling. In my opinion, the end result is poor. E.g. the
vehicles´s graphics of TG are much more state of the art, OTOH *that* game seems
to be a really crappy product.

Of course, the engine of L. (RCT) allows more possibilities for game
implementation, although I don´t think it´s such a big leap regarding a
developing time of nearly 10 years. :)

Conclusion: it´s not a brand new state-of-the-art transport game, it´s more
likely the answer to "the patch" and as such seems to be succeeding. :o)

regards
Michael