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mooseboyskip@hotmail.com posted:
>and the mouse just sucks frankly,
>you can't play a POV shooter a mouse, imo.

I found the ability to turn quickly to aim in any direction to be the
mouse's "killer feature" over the fixed turn speed of the keyboard in
the original game.

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mooseboyskip@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'm a long time DOOM2 player, and I just recently bought DOOM 3.
> While the atmosphere and sound design and level design are excellent,
> and while the monsters are effing sublime...is there anyway to be able
> to aim without using the ^%$&ing mouse??
> 
> I'm so used to keyboard controls: running and sidling with my right
> hand, shooting/strafing/changing weapons with my left.  I need a third
> hand to play this one!  It's just so unnatural to move with the left
> hand and then aim with the right, and the mouse just sucks frankly,
> you can't play a POV shooter a mouse, imo.
> 
> Am I missing something?  Is there a different setting or something?
> It's proving to be incredibly frustrating.  The game seems so slow
> this way, constantly moving my hand to control the mouse, constantly
> slowing down.  The joy of DOOM was it's quick movements.  Hell, I used
> to be able to duck out of the way of a Cyberdemon, now I can't even
> avoid the demons cause I can't lower the shotgun without stopping.

Once you get used to mouse, you never go back. :)

dude~u should try to play skulltag version of doom2(http://
skulltag.com/)
U can jump and do some popular action out there~have fun~

regards
Shawn

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:07:20 -0700, mooseboyskip wrote:

> I'm a long time DOOM2 player, and I just recently bought DOOM 3.
> While the atmosphere and sound design and level design are excellent,
> and while the monsters are effing sublime...is there anyway to be able
> to aim without using the ^%$&ing mouse??
> 
> I'm so used to keyboard controls: running and sidling with my right
> hand, shooting/strafing/changing weapons with my left.  I need a third
> hand to play this one!  It's just so unnatural to move with the left
> hand and then aim with the right, and the mouse just sucks frankly,
> you can't play a POV shooter a mouse, imo.
> 
> Am I missing something?  Is there a different setting or something?
> It's proving to be incredibly frustrating.  The game seems so slow
> this way, constantly moving my hand to control the mouse, constantly
> slowing down.  The joy of DOOM was it's quick movements.  Hell, I used
> to be able to duck out of the way of a Cyberdemon, now I can't even
> avoid the demons cause I can't lower the shotgun without stopping.

Real, serious, good players use the keyboard/mouse combo.  It's the only
way to be truly effective.  If you don't believe that, well, you're suckin'.



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Dan C posted:
>Real, serious, good players use the keyboard/mouse combo.  It's the only
>way to be truly effective.  If you don't believe that, well, you're suckin'.

I agree that most people find the mouse an improvement but your
statement is harsh. There are some good keyboarders, for instance
Ryback:

  So that's done at last, I'm very proud of it, fourth player ever to achieve
  this and, I hope everyone notes, the only keyboarder :)

(from <http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/30ns7155.zip>, a
nightmare skill demo run of Doom 2 with 100% secrets)

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:07:38 +0000, RjY wrote:

>>Real, serious, good players use the keyboard/mouse combo.  It's the only
>>way to be truly effective.  If you don't believe that, well, you're suckin'.
 
> I agree that most people find the mouse an improvement but your
> statement is harsh. There are some good keyboarders, for instance
> Ryback:
> 
>   So that's done at last, I'm very proud of it, fourth player ever to achieve
>   this and, I hope everyone notes, the only keyboarder :)
> 
> (from <http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/30ns7155.zip>, a
> nightmare skill demo run of Doom 2 with 100% secrets)

Perhaps, but that is an extreme exception.  For nearly all "average"
gamers, using the KB alone will seriously reduce effectiveness.


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On Sep 23, 12:28 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:07:38 +0000, RjY wrote:
> >>Real, serious, good players use the keyboard/mouse combo.  It's the only
> >>way to be truly effective.  If you don't believe that, well, you're suckin'.
> > I agree that most people find the mouse an improvement but your
> > statement is harsh. There are some good keyboarders, for instance
> > Ryback:
>
> >   So that's done at last, I'm very proud of it, fourth player ever to achieve
> >   this and, I hope everyone notes, the only keyboarder :)
>
> > (from <http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/30ns7155.zip>, a
> > nightmare skill demo run of Doom 2 with 100% secrets)
>
> Perhaps, but that is an extreme exception.  For nearly all "average"
> gamers, using the KB alone will seriously reduce effectiveness.
>
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Well, I'm seriously reducing effectiveness now, because I can't
maneuver properly with one hand on the damn mouse.  I get hung up on
things, and I certainly can't sidle and shoot at the same time.  I
defy anyone to be able to sidle and shoot while using the mouse to
aim.  That's my complaint.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:33:22 -0700, mooseboyskip wrote:

> On Sep 23, 12:28 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:07:38 +0000, RjY wrote:
>> >>Real, serious, good players use the keyboard/mouse combo.  It's the only
>> >>way to be truly effective.  If you don't believe that, well, you're suckin'.
>> > I agree that most people find the mouse an improvement but your
>> > statement is harsh. There are some good keyboarders, for instance
>> > Ryback:
>>
>> >   So that's done at last, I'm very proud of it, fourth player ever to achieve
>> >   this and, I hope everyone notes, the only keyboarder :)
>>
>> > (from <http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/30ns7155.zip>, a
>> > nightmare skill demo run of Doom 2 with 100% secrets)
>>
>> Perhaps, but that is an extreme exception.  For nearly all "average"
>> gamers, using the KB alone will seriously reduce effectiveness.
>>
>> --
>> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>> The Usenet Improvement Project:http://improve-usenet.org
> 
> Well, I'm seriously reducing effectiveness now, because I can't
> maneuver properly with one hand on the damn mouse.  I get hung up on
> things, and I certainly can't sidle and shoot at the same time.  I
> defy anyone to be able to sidle and shoot while using the mouse to
> aim.  That's my complaint.

You slide with your left hand on the KB, and aim/shoot with the mouse.


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It's very easy:

Left hand:

Middle finger on W for forward.
Middle finger on S for backward.
Point index finger on D for strafe right.
Ring finger on A for strafe left.
Thumb on spacebar to open doors and jump or any other action you want on 
there.
F and/or G to do special things... or any other key.
C to crouch.
Z to prone.

Right hand:

On mouse to look around and shoot.
Left mouse button: fire
Right mouse button: alternate fire or iron sight or whatever you want.
Wheel mouse: could even be cycle weapons.

Now all you need is some practice and soon you'll be dominating this 
creatures =D

This works even very well in Doom 1.

Bye,
  Skybuck. 

mooseboyskip@hotmail.com wrote:
> Well, I'm seriously reducing effectiveness now, because I can't
> maneuver properly with one hand on the damn mouse.  I get hung up on
> things, and I certainly can't sidle and shoot at the same time.  I
> defy anyone to be able to sidle and shoot while using the mouse to
> aim.  That's my complaint.

Perhaps you should try inverting the mouse.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:31:38 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:33:22 -0700, mooseboyskip wrote:
>
>> On Sep 23, 12:28 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok...@lan.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:07:38 +0000, RjY wrote:
>>> >>Real, serious, good players use the keyboard/mouse combo.  It's the only
>>> >>way to be truly effective.  If you don't believe that, well, you're suckin'.
>>> > I agree that most people find the mouse an improvement but your
>>> > statement is harsh. There are some good keyboarders, for instance
>>> > Ryback:
>>>
>>> >   So that's done at last, I'm very proud of it, fourth player ever to achieve
>>> >   this and, I hope everyone notes, the only keyboarder :)
>>>
>>> > (from <http://competn.doom2.net/incoming/compet-n/30ns7155.zip>, a
>>> > nightmare skill demo run of Doom 2 with 100% secrets)
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but that is an extreme exception.  For nearly all "average"
>>> gamers, using the KB alone will seriously reduce effectiveness.
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>>> The Usenet Improvement Project:http://improve-usenet.org
>> 
>> Well, I'm seriously reducing effectiveness now, because I can't
>> maneuver properly with one hand on the damn mouse.  I get hung up on
>> things, and I certainly can't sidle and shoot at the same time.  I
>> defy anyone to be able to sidle and shoot while using the mouse to
>> aim.  That's my complaint.
>
>You slide with your left hand on the KB, and aim/shoot with the mouse.

Yes, KB + Mouse is the way to go!  And yes, Chris (Ryback) is an
incredible player.  I've watched many of his demos over the years.

I don't understand how this person can't "slide" or circle strafe and
shoot simultaneously.  I would suggest to put down Doom3 for a bit, go
back to Doom2, go to Compet-N, watch some demos, read the player's
bios and mouse/keys settings and realise that 99.9% of the best
players in the world all use KB/mouse.