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I might add that the benchmark "timedemo demo1 usecache" seemed smoother 
even thought the framerate was lower.

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"The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
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> Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
> Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>
> I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so I 
> was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
> multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
> work....
>
> McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>
> RT
> 

"The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
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> Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
> Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>
> I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so I 
> was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
> multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
> work....
>
> McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>
> RT
>
For some things the X2 4800+ flat out runs circles around my P4 3.0E.    One 
thing I think I'm looking at is that both the 64 bit architecture and dual 
core potential are practically wasted under XP Pro 32 bit.   A number of A64 
single core cpu's DO play Doom3 faster than this rig.  And Quake4, Far Cry, 
etc.   Where this thing stands up and completely leaves ALL the others 
behind is under a 64 bit OS.  Far Cry 64 is awesome.   But it's a damn 
lonely world right now, the 64 bit OS.   A few games, a few apps.  Blinding 
speed, incredibly smooth.   But still have a few periph manufacturers that 
haven't blessed us with 64 bit drivers.  Epson HAS, so I can scan.  But 
Wacom hasn't so I can't draw, and HP hasn't for my printer so I can't use 
even a third of its capabilities.
The 4800+ has a core freq of 2.4gHz.  FSB is 2000mhz.  I think a A64 3800+ 
will keep up with it just fine in XP 32 bit.   X64 does utilize dual cpu 
more than XP32.
Still, though the fr's are only a little bit higher in Doom3 and HL2 they 
appear to run much smoother even when the fr's drop low.  The P4 with the 
same 6800GT in it, same PC3200 at DDR400 and dual channel does not look as 
smooth at all.   And I enjoyed Doom3, HL2 and Far Cry with the P4 and 6800GT 
under XP 32bit.  I'm still trying things out and experimenting with 
different things, as time permits.  The one thing I'm not doing is 
overclocking anything at all.

What are we using for benchmarking Doom3?    Lemme know and I'll bench it 
for ya.
McG. 

Got this for the bench, I'll go run that and see what happens.
McG.

"The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
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>I might add that the benchmark "timedemo demo1 usecache" seemed smoother 
>even thought the framerate was lower.
>
> -- 
> AP
> "The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
> news:wm6kf.121644$gh1.45352@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>> Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
>> Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>>
>> I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so 
>> I was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
>> multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
>> work....
>>
>> McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>>
>> RT
>>
>
> 

"The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
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>I might add that the benchmark "timedemo demo1 usecache" seemed smoother 
>even thought the framerate was lower.
>
> -- 
> AP
> "The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
> news:wm6kf.121644$gh1.45352@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>> Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
>> Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>>
>> I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so 
>> I was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
>> multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
>> work....
>>
>> McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>>
>> RT
>>
>
>

With the P4 3.0E, 2 gigs of PC3200, 6800GT, XP Pro SP2 I could run in 
1024x768 with Ultra Quality and get fr's in the 20's.  In High Quality in 
the high 40's.
The X2 4800+, 2 gigs PC3200, 6800GT, XP Pro SP2;  run in 1024x768 with Ultra 
Quality (timedemo demo1 usecache) just now and got 50.9 fps with one run. 
Should I make the old 3 runs and count the third as we used to without 
'usecache'?
Either way, the X2 just ran a ring around the P4 3.0E Prescott.  I'll play 
with totally maxed out settings and see how it does.
McG.

"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
> news:wm6kf.121644$gh1.45352@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>> Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
>> Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>>
>> I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so 
>> I was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
>> multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
>> work....
>>
>> McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>>
>> RT
>>
> For some things the X2 4800+ flat out runs circles around my P4 3.0E. 
> One thing I think I'm looking at is that both the 64 bit architecture and 
> dual core potential are practically wasted under XP Pro 32 bit.   A number 
> of A64 single core cpu's DO play Doom3 faster than this rig.  And Quake4, 
> Far Cry, etc.   Where this thing stands up and completely leaves ALL the 
> others behind is under a 64 bit OS.  Far Cry 64 is awesome.   But it's a 
> damn lonely world right now, the 64 bit OS.   A few games, a few apps. 
> Blinding speed, incredibly smooth.   But still have a few periph 
> manufacturers that haven't blessed us with 64 bit drivers.  Epson HAS, so 
> I can scan.  But Wacom hasn't so I can't draw, and HP hasn't for my 
> printer so I can't use even a third of its capabilities.
> The 4800+ has a core freq of 2.4gHz.  FSB is 2000mhz.  I think a A64 3800+ 
> will keep up with it just fine in XP 32 bit.   X64 does utilize dual cpu 
> more than XP32.
> Still, though the fr's are only a little bit higher in Doom3 and HL2 they 
> appear to run much smoother even when the fr's drop low.  The P4 with the 
> same 6800GT in it, same PC3200 at DDR400 and dual channel does not look as 
> smooth at all.   And I enjoyed Doom3, HL2 and Far Cry with the P4 and 
> 6800GT under XP 32bit.  I'm still trying things out and experimenting with 
> different things, as time permits.  The one thing I'm not doing is 
> overclocking anything at all.
>
> What are we using for benchmarking Doom3?    Lemme know and I'll bench it 
> for ya.
> McG.
>

Here we go:
System:
A64 X2 4800+, GA K8NSUltra939 (F8), 2 x 1gig PC3200, 6800GT, XP Pro SP2.
Nvidia WHQL 77.77 driver set, Image quality = High Quality (best), AA and AF 
set Application Controlled, refresh set 75 hz.
Doom3 console:  timedemo demo1 usecache (3 runs each, last count given)
1280x1024-ultra quality, 39.0 fps
1024x768-ultra quality, 50.9 fps
1280x1024-high quality, 61.4 fps
1024x768-high quality,  68.7 fps

I definitely see difference in texture quality between Ultra Quality and 
High Quality.  In ultra quality 1280x1024 the textures look clearer, sharper 
with smoother color blending.  It's worth the difference in fr's.  I'll play 
it at 39 fps.   And I'll make sure prechache is on ingame, much smoother 
even in lower fps situations.   :)

Any tips, thoughts, ideas, anybody?  Inglo?

McG. 

On 12/2/2005 9:32 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:

>"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>  
>
>>"The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
>>news:wm6kf.121644$gh1.45352@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>    
>>
>>>Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
>>>Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>>>
>>>I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so 
>>>I was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
>>>multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
>>>work....
>>>
>>>McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>>>
>>>RT
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>For some things the X2 4800+ flat out runs circles around my P4 3.0E. 
>>One thing I think I'm looking at is that both the 64 bit architecture and 
>>dual core potential are practically wasted under XP Pro 32 bit.   A number 
>>of A64 single core cpu's DO play Doom3 faster than this rig.  And Quake4, 
>>Far Cry, etc.   Where this thing stands up and completely leaves ALL the 
>>others behind is under a 64 bit OS.  Far Cry 64 is awesome.   But it's a 
>>damn lonely world right now, the 64 bit OS.   A few games, a few apps. 
>>Blinding speed, incredibly smooth.   But still have a few periph 
>>manufacturers that haven't blessed us with 64 bit drivers.  Epson HAS, so 
>>I can scan.  But Wacom hasn't so I can't draw, and HP hasn't for my 
>>printer so I can't use even a third of its capabilities.
>>The 4800+ has a core freq of 2.4gHz.  FSB is 2000mhz.  I think a A64 3800+ 
>>will keep up with it just fine in XP 32 bit.   X64 does utilize dual cpu 
>>more than XP32.
>>Still, though the fr's are only a little bit higher in Doom3 and HL2 they 
>>appear to run much smoother even when the fr's drop low.  The P4 with the 
>>same 6800GT in it, same PC3200 at DDR400 and dual channel does not look as 
>>smooth at all.   And I enjoyed Doom3, HL2 and Far Cry with the P4 and 
>>6800GT under XP 32bit.  I'm still trying things out and experimenting with 
>>different things, as time permits.  The one thing I'm not doing is 
>>overclocking anything at all.
>>
>>What are we using for benchmarking Doom3?    Lemme know and I'll bench it 
>>for ya.
>>McG.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Here we go:
>System:
>A64 X2 4800+, GA K8NSUltra939 (F8), 2 x 1gig PC3200, 6800GT, XP Pro SP2.
>Nvidia WHQL 77.77 driver set, Image quality = High Quality (best), AA and AF 
>set Application Controlled, refresh set 75 hz.
>Doom3 console:  timedemo demo1 usecache (3 runs each, last count given)
>1280x1024-ultra quality, 39.0 fps
>1024x768-ultra quality, 50.9 fps
>1280x1024-high quality, 61.4 fps
>1024x768-high quality,  68.7 fps
>
>I definitely see difference in texture quality between Ultra Quality and 
>High Quality.  In ultra quality 1280x1024 the textures look clearer, sharper 
>with smoother color blending.  It's worth the difference in fr's.  I'll play 
>it at 39 fps.   And I'll make sure prechache is on ingame, much smoother 
>even in lower fps situations.   :)
>
>Any tips, thoughts, ideas, anybody?  Inglo?
>
>McG. 
>
>
>  
>
I don't even have a single core 64bit processor.  I'd be curious to see 
how Quake4/Doom3 will run on Linux with one of those CPUs.  I'd like to 
see how those processors perform on a real 64 bit OS.  Of course the 
binaries for both games are still just 32 bit, heck I don't know if 
they'd even run on 64 bit Linux.  

-- 
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					George W

Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
www.inglostadt.com

"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
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> On 12/2/2005 9:32 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
>
>>"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
>>news:8k9kf.22023$Au1.6931@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>"The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
>>>news:wm6kf.121644$gh1.45352@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>>
>>>>Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
>>>>Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>>>>
>>>>I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so 
>>>>I was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
>>>>multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
>>>>work....
>>>>
>>>>McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>>>>
>>>>RT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>For some things the X2 4800+ flat out runs circles around my P4 3.0E. One 
>>>thing I think I'm looking at is that both the 64 bit architecture and 
>>>dual core potential are practically wasted under XP Pro 32 bit.   A 
>>>number of A64 single core cpu's DO play Doom3 faster than this rig.  And 
>>>Quake4, Far Cry, etc.   Where this thing stands up and completely leaves 
>>>ALL the others behind is under a 64 bit OS.  Far Cry 64 is awesome.   But 
>>>it's a damn lonely world right now, the 64 bit OS.   A few games, a few 
>>>apps. Blinding speed, incredibly smooth.   But still have a few periph 
>>>manufacturers that haven't blessed us with 64 bit drivers.  Epson HAS, so 
>>>I can scan.  But Wacom hasn't so I can't draw, and HP hasn't for my 
>>>printer so I can't use even a third of its capabilities.
>>>The 4800+ has a core freq of 2.4gHz.  FSB is 2000mhz.  I think a A64 
>>>3800+ will keep up with it just fine in XP 32 bit.   X64 does utilize 
>>>dual cpu more than XP32.
>>>Still, though the fr's are only a little bit higher in Doom3 and HL2 they 
>>>appear to run much smoother even when the fr's drop low.  The P4 with the 
>>>same 6800GT in it, same PC3200 at DDR400 and dual channel does not look 
>>>as smooth at all.   And I enjoyed Doom3, HL2 and Far Cry with the P4 and 
>>>6800GT under XP 32bit.  I'm still trying things out and experimenting 
>>>with different things, as time permits.  The one thing I'm not doing is 
>>>overclocking anything at all.
>>>
>>>What are we using for benchmarking Doom3?    Lemme know and I'll bench it 
>>>for ya.
>>>McG.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Here we go:
>>System:
>>A64 X2 4800+, GA K8NSUltra939 (F8), 2 x 1gig PC3200, 6800GT, XP Pro SP2.
>>Nvidia WHQL 77.77 driver set, Image quality = High Quality (best), AA and 
>>AF set Application Controlled, refresh set 75 hz.
>>Doom3 console:  timedemo demo1 usecache (3 runs each, last count given)
>>1280x1024-ultra quality, 39.0 fps
>>1024x768-ultra quality, 50.9 fps
>>1280x1024-high quality, 61.4 fps
>>1024x768-high quality,  68.7 fps
>>
>>I definitely see difference in texture quality between Ultra Quality and 
>>High Quality.  In ultra quality 1280x1024 the textures look clearer, 
>>sharper with smoother color blending.  It's worth the difference in fr's. 
>>I'll play it at 39 fps.   And I'll make sure prechache is on ingame, much 
>>smoother even in lower fps situations.   :)
>>
>>Any tips, thoughts, ideas, anybody?  Inglo?
>>
>>McG.
>>
>>
> I don't even have a single core 64bit processor.  I'd be curious to see 
> how Quake4/Doom3 will run on Linux with one of those CPUs.  I'd like to 
> see how those processors perform on a real 64 bit OS.  Of course the 
> binaries for both games are still just 32 bit, heck I don't know if they'd 
> even run on 64 bit Linux.
> -- 
> "I did not have misleading relations with those facts"
>
> George W
>
> Steve ¤ťIngloŤ¤
> www.inglostadt.com

I'll head off in that direction then.  May take me a *while* to get Q4/Doom3 
and a Linux 64 bit distro all together tho :)   I definitely will set up a 
HD just for Linux and thanks for reminding me of the 64 bit part.  I don't 
know Linux well at all so this may well be the most masochistic thing I have 
chosen to do to myself in a very long time :)

I'm really curious about that stuff too, Steve!   I've *got* the rig, the 
CPU is deffo a winner.  This sytem at the least is *stable* hardware.  It's 
a good kit, not too complicated and OC'ing isn't what I'm looking for.  I'm 
looking for optimal performance with all the hardware in a happy cool 
running state.  I've got the happy cool running state.  I clearly don't have 
optimal performance from the CPU yet.

I feel like I'm running around here with a nice looking hot rod with a top 
of the line engine with two 4 bbl carbs and only one of them is being used 
and can't get the tranny out of low into high.  EXCEPT on 'special' 
occasions.    The difference:
normal, right now.... in the quarter at the tree, tires burn a bit, engine 
revs ok, I hit 92mph thru the 1320 trap!  cool :)   (NOT!)
special occasion.... in the quarter at the tree, huge burnout, engine 
deafening, I join the 200 mph club!!!!   Where's the freakin brakes!!!

The only thing I've done that really DOES show me that stupendous a 
difference is to run XP X64 and Far Cry 64 bit, boot back to XP 32 bit and 
run Far Cry regular 32 bit.

I got some hardware changes to make here.   I now have several decent usable 
hd's for this rig.  Two 160g WD EIDE drives and a Seagate Barracuda 80g 
EIDE, all running at UDMA5 in XP Pro SP2 right now.
Plan:  Get XP Pro SP2 (32 bit) installed and all my main working stuff 
running on the newest 160g drive.  This will be the main system because of 
general completeness of having drivers and full functionality of all my 
periphs.  I can get all the work done I want to do from this boot.
Set up the 80g just for a data drive.  These two drives will be single 
partition each and the 160 in NTFS and the data drive in FAT32 so all 4 
boots can use that data.
Older of the two WD160g drives.  Partition for three op systems.  A Linux 32 
bit distro, a Linux 64 bit distro and XP x64.
So, right now I'm running XP Pro from the 80g, all 'data' is on the two 
160's and kinda needing sorting and putting away elsewhere.
This is gonna take a while.   I think I'll go to alt.linux and ask advice on 
how to set up booting and partitions for what I want to do.  Like which do I 
install first, where, blah blah.

Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old fart 
guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
McG. 

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>
> "The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
> news:wm6kf.121644$gh1.45352@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>> Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
>> Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>>
>> I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so 
>> I was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
>> multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
>> work....
>>
>> McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>>
>> RT
>>
> For some things the X2 4800+ flat out runs circles around my P4 3.0E. 
> One thing I think I'm looking at is that both the 64 bit architecture and 
> dual core potential are practically wasted under XP Pro 32 bit.   A number 
> of A64 single core cpu's DO play Doom3 faster than this rig.  And Quake4, 
> Far Cry, etc.   Where this thing stands up and completely leaves ALL the 
> others behind is under a 64 bit OS.  Far Cry 64 is awesome.   But it's a 
> damn lonely world right now, the 64 bit OS.   A few games, a few apps. 
> Blinding speed, incredibly smooth.   But still have a few periph 
> manufacturers that haven't blessed us with 64 bit drivers.  Epson HAS, so 
> I can scan.  But Wacom hasn't so I can't draw, and HP hasn't for my 
> printer so I can't use even a third of its capabilities.
> The 4800+ has a core freq of 2.4gHz.  FSB is 2000mhz.  I think a A64 3800+ 
> will keep up with it just fine in XP 32 bit.   X64 does utilize dual cpu 
> more than XP32.
> Still, though the fr's are only a little bit higher in Doom3 and HL2 they 
> appear to run much smoother even when the fr's drop low.  The P4 with the 
> same 6800GT in it, same PC3200 at DDR400 and dual channel does not look as 
> smooth at all.   And I enjoyed Doom3, HL2 and Far Cry with the P4 and 
> 6800GT under XP 32bit.  I'm still trying things out and experimenting with 
> different things, as time permits.  The one thing I'm not doing is 
> overclocking anything at all.
>
> What are we using for benchmarking Doom3?    Lemme know and I'll bench it 
> for ya.
> McG.
"timedemo demo1 usecache" 

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>
> -- 
> AP
> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "The Primate" <primate@primate.com> wrote in message 
>> news:wm6kf.121644$gh1.45352@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>> Just wondering what your experience is.  I was getting 46 under an AMD 
>>> Athlon  3000+ and just after installing an 4200+ X2 I was getting 40.
>>>
>>> I had read that my processor was roughly equal to a 3500+ single core so 
>>> I was expecting a slightly higher frame rate.  Good news is it shines in 
>>> multi-tasking, something I do alot when not gaming.  Expecially at 
>>> work....
>>>
>>> McGrandpa?   You had a previous thread on X2.
>>>
>>> RT
>>>
>> For some things the X2 4800+ flat out runs circles around my P4 3.0E. One 
>> thing I think I'm looking at is that both the 64 bit architecture and 
>> dual core potential are practically wasted under XP Pro 32 bit.   A 
>> number of A64 single core cpu's DO play Doom3 faster than this rig.  And 
>> Quake4, Far Cry, etc.   Where this thing stands up and completely leaves 
>> ALL the others behind is under a 64 bit OS.  Far Cry 64 is awesome.   But 
>> it's a damn lonely world right now, the 64 bit OS.   A few games, a few 
>> apps. Blinding speed, incredibly smooth.   But still have a few periph 
>> manufacturers that haven't blessed us with 64 bit drivers.  Epson HAS, so 
>> I can scan.  But Wacom hasn't so I can't draw, and HP hasn't for my 
>> printer so I can't use even a third of its capabilities.
>> The 4800+ has a core freq of 2.4gHz.  FSB is 2000mhz.  I think a A64 
>> 3800+ will keep up with it just fine in XP 32 bit.   X64 does utilize 
>> dual cpu more than XP32.
>> Still, though the fr's are only a little bit higher in Doom3 and HL2 they 
>> appear to run much smoother even when the fr's drop low.  The P4 with the 
>> same 6800GT in it, same PC3200 at DDR400 and dual channel does not look 
>> as smooth at all.   And I enjoyed Doom3, HL2 and Far Cry with the P4 and 
>> 6800GT under XP 32bit.  I'm still trying things out and experimenting 
>> with different things, as time permits.  The one thing I'm not doing is 
>> overclocking anything at all.
>>
>> What are we using for benchmarking Doom3?    Lemme know and I'll bench it 
>> for ya.
>> McG.
> "timedemo demo1 usecache"
>
Thanks, got em posted in a new thread.
McG. 

McGrandpa wrote:

>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old fart 
>guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>McG. 
>
>
>  
>
Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's 
my next main gaming purchase.

-- 
Steve -|Inglo/LymanAlpha|-

"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
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> McGrandpa wrote:
>
>>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old 
>>fart guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>>McG.
>>
>>
> Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
> things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's my 
> next main gaming purchase.
>

XBox 360?  You just missed a bargain.... http://tinyurl.com/8arx8

Posted by Jimbob in AGHL earlier today....

;-) 

On 12/5/2005 2:22 PM Shawk brightened our day with:

>"Inglo" <ioo@??.¿¿¿> wrote in message 
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>  
>
>>McGrandpa wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old 
>>>fart guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>>>McG.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
>>things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's my 
>>next main gaming purchase.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>XBox 360?  You just missed a bargain.... http://tinyurl.com/8arx8
>
>Posted by Jimbob in AGHL earlier today....
>
>;-) 
>
>
>  
>
Yeah I saw that... some people...  I don't think ebay should let that 
kind of crap happen.
I'm not going to go looking for an XBox360 anywhere but normal retail 
and I'll wait until February if necessary.   So if I'm going to be 
dropping $400 on one of those soon (plus a couple extra hundred on 
games), it's going to be hard to justify upgrading my PC which runs 
Quake 4 at 1280x1024 at ~50 fps.  FEAR runs a bit sluggish, but I've 
played through it three times without much complaint.
I fired up my original XBox yesterday and was playing Riddick, when I 
think how awesome that game looks on that 5 year old console, it makes 
the decision to buy a new XBox easy.

-- 
"I did not have misleading relations with those facts"

					George W

Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
www.inglostadt.com

"Shawk" <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in message 
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>
> "Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
> news:c20lf.31069$Zv5.20011@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>> McGrandpa wrote:
>>
>>>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old 
>>>fart guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>>>McG.
>>>
>>>
>> Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
>> things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's my 
>> next main gaming purchase.
>>
>
> XBox 360?  You just missed a bargain.... http://tinyurl.com/8arx8
>
> Posted by Jimbob in AGHL earlier today....
>
> ;-)
>
jimbob?!  Oh, it wasn't his auction!  Ha!   You don't think he'd of bought 
that, do ya?  I mean *hoping* there might be something in it is one 
thing.....
McG. 

"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
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> McGrandpa wrote:
>
>>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old 
>>fart guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>>McG.
>>
>>
> Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
> things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's my 
> next main gaming purchase.
>
> -- 
> Steve -|Inglo/LymanAlpha|-

Vista is better than XP x64?
McG. 

"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
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> On 12/5/2005 2:22 PM Shawk brightened our day with:
>
>>"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
>>news:c20lf.31069$Zv5.20011@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>>McGrandpa wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old 
>>>>fart guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>>>>McG.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
>>>things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's my 
>>>next main gaming purchase.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>XBox 360?  You just missed a bargain.... http://tinyurl.com/8arx8
>>
>>Posted by Jimbob in AGHL earlier today....
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>
> Yeah I saw that... some people...  I don't think ebay should let that kind 
> of crap happen.
> I'm not going to go looking for an XBox360 anywhere but normal retail and 
> I'll wait until February if necessary.   So if I'm going to be dropping 
> $400 on one of those soon (plus a couple extra hundred on games), it's 
> going to be hard to justify upgrading my PC which runs Quake 4 at 
> 1280x1024 at ~50 fps.  FEAR runs a bit sluggish, but I've played through 
> it three times without much complaint.
> I fired up my original XBox yesterday and was playing Riddick, when I 
> think how awesome that game looks on that 5 year old console, it makes the 
> decision to buy a new XBox easy.

I can see your angle on this.  Nobody has to justify what they buy to me or 
anyone as far as I'm concerned.  It is good enough you like it like that :) 
Myself, I don't really want a console.  Got too much pc stuff to play with 
already.   I do like watching my movies though.    I recall your saying you 
have a decent TV/monitor to use with your XBox.
That'd be one thing I need to get.  A decent TV.
McG.
>
> -- 
> "I did not have misleading relations with those facts"
>
> George W
>
> Steve ¤ťIngloŤ¤
> www.inglostadt.com 

"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
>>
> jimbob?!  Oh, it wasn't his auction!  Ha!   You don't think he'd of bought 
> that, do ya?  I mean *hoping* there might be something in it is one 
> thing.....
> McG.
>

Nah, Jimbob just pointed it out for us.  The buyer is listed and reading his 
feedback he's has done something similar before... and he came back for 
seconds!? 

On 12/5/2005 3:16 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:

>"Inglo" <ioo@??.¿¿¿> wrote in message 
>news:c20lf.31069$Zv5.20011@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>  
>
>>McGrandpa wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old 
>>>fart guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>>>McG.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
>>things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's my 
>>next main gaming purchase.
>>
>>-- 
>>Steve -|Inglo/LymanAlpha|-
>>    
>>
>
>Vista is better than XP x64?
>McG. 
>
>
>  
>
I don't know if it will be.  Microsoft should have had the chance to do 
a lot of 64 bit design work on it though.  

-- 
"I did not have misleading relations with those facts"

					George W

Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
www.inglostadt.com

"Shawk" <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in message 
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>
> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:AR3lf.31925$Ox.15628@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>
>>>
>> jimbob?!  Oh, it wasn't his auction!  Ha!   You don't think he'd of 
>> bought that, do ya?  I mean *hoping* there might be something in it is 
>> one thing.....
>> McG.
>>
>
> Nah, Jimbob just pointed it out for us.  The buyer is listed and reading 
> his feedback he's has done something similar before... and he came back 
> for seconds!?
>

Gah!  Publicity hound!  Must have a business, he was on the news on TV this 
morning.
McG. 

"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
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> On 12/5/2005 3:16 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
>
>>"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message 
>>news:c20lf.31069$Zv5.20011@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>>McGrandpa wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey, how come you don't build you a X2 rig?   You like having some old 
>>>>fart guinea pig for ya ;)  {ducks flying books!}
>>>>McG.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Waiting for Vista, I guess.  Don't know how much it will really improve 
>>>things.  I also want to buy an XBox360 whenever I can get one.  That's my 
>>>next main gaming purchase.
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Steve -|Inglo/LymanAlpha|-
>>>
>>
>>Vista is better than XP x64?
>>McG.
>>
>>
> I don't know if it will be.  Microsoft should have had the chance to do a 
> lot of 64 bit design work on it though.
>
I dunno either.  X64 was a double surprise.  Half good half bad. 
Outstanding speed, but not much in the way of peripheral driver support yet.
McG. 

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>
> "Shawk" <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:AR3lf.31925$Ox.15628@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>> jimbob?!  Oh, it wasn't his auction!  Ha!   You don't think he'd of 
>>> bought that, do ya?  I mean *hoping* there might be something in it is 
>>> one thing.....
>>> McG.
>>>
>>
>> Nah, Jimbob just pointed it out for us.  The buyer is listed and reading 
>> his feedback he's has done something similar before... and he came back 
>> for seconds!?
>>
>
> Gah!  Publicity hound!  Must have a business, he was on the news on TV 
> this morning.
> McG.
>

What type of business would be helped by having the owner on Tv admitting he 
bought an empty box for $600?  ;-)

Anyway - apols to you guys for hijacking the thread - watching it with 
interest for my upgrade next year.... carry on....