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On 4/18/2005 5:24 AM Tom Dauphin brightened our day with:

>When Doom 3 was installed originally last year, I believe the CD was always 
>required to be in to run the game.
>
>Since installing RE, it appears the the CD is no longer required in either 
>Doom or RE? Has anyone else noticed this? 
>
>
>  
>
I can't remember if it required the CD present after the 1.1 patch or if 
I was using a crack.  Must have been using a cracked exe. 
You should know that Doom 3 verifies your CD Key for both products every 
time you start it up now.  Though it won't prevent you from playing 
single player if there isn't a connection present. 

I'm all for more games with online authorization, or stuff like Steam, 
rather than getting securom, safedisc and starforce services and drivers 
installed on my computer just so a game can check if I have the CD in 
the drive or not.  I frickin' hate those, I think it was the latest 
SWKoTorII patch that just installed a securom thing called 
uaService7.exe running as a background service.  When I saw that I 
freaked out, running virus checks, searching google for info etc...  
thinking my system had been compromised. 
I played the Splinter Cell Chaos Theory Demo and liked it very much, but 
I won't be buying the PC version of the game because it includes 
Starforce protection, which installs an actual .sys driver to check if 
your CD is there.

-- 
People of the United States! We are Unitarian Jihad! We can strike without warning. Pockets of reasonableness and harmony will appear as if from nowhere! Nice people will run the government again! There will be coffee and cookies in the Gandhi Room after the revolution.

Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
www.inglostadt.com

"Tom Dauphin" <tdauphin@earthlink.net> wrote:

>When Doom 3 was installed originally last year, I believe the CD was always 
>required to be in to run the game.
>
>Since installing RE, it appears the the CD is no longer required in either 
>Doom or RE? Has anyone else noticed this? 

Hmmm...so it appears.  I've been dutifully putting the CD in, unaware it
wasn't necessary anymore.

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"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message
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> On 4/18/2005 5:24 AM Tom Dauphin brightened our day with:
>
>> When Doom 3 was installed originally last year, I believe the CD was
>> always required to be in to run the game.
>>
>> Since installing RE, it appears the the CD is no longer required in
>> either Doom or RE? Has anyone else noticed this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I can't remember if it required the CD present after the 1.1 patch or
> if I was using a crack.  Must have been using a cracked exe.
> You should know that Doom 3 verifies your CD Key for both products
> every time you start it up now.  Though it won't prevent you from
> playing single player if there isn't a connection present.
>
> I'm all for more games with online authorization, or stuff like Steam,
> rather than getting securom, safedisc and starforce services and
> drivers installed on my computer just so a game can check if I have
> the CD in the drive or not.  I frickin' hate those, I think it was
> the latest SWKoTorII patch that just installed a securom thing called
> uaService7.exe running as a background service.  When I saw that I
> freaked out, running virus checks, searching google for info etc...
> thinking my system had been compromised.
> I played the Splinter Cell Chaos Theory Demo and liked it very much,
> but I won't be buying the PC version of the game because it includes
> Starforce protection, which installs an actual .sys driver to check if
> your CD is there.

Well, that's just one more reason to like Steam a bit more.  A .sys 
driver for a CD check.  That is just too much.   Is there even anything 
in the EULA about that crap?   The idiots just make it harder on the 
paying people.
McG. 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:29:02 GMT, "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com>
wrote:

>"Inglo" <ioo@??.¿¿¿> wrote in message
>news:lxO8e.325$Xb4.185@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com

>
>Well, that's just one more reason to like Steam a bit more.  A .sys 
>driver for a CD check.  That is just too much.   Is there even anything 
>in the EULA about that crap?   

There's a lot of stuff that appears in EULAs that most people can't find
out.  If you pick a random EULA and calculate it's readability statistics,
you'll find they generally require a grade 12 reading level as well as
being difficult to read.  These statistics don't mean a thing, but they do
help demonstrate what is already known.  

Honestly, I don't believe that they even read their own licenses.  Some
recent batch of demos from the Maximum PC cover disk where their EULAs
allow you to play two hours - yet the timer only allows one hour of play.

"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
news:334a619sabjio0qjpdj512tkllj6vtl9el@4ax.com
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:29:02 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message
>> news:lxO8e.325$Xb4.185@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com
>
>>
>> Well, that's just one more reason to like Steam a bit more.  A .sys
>> driver for a CD check.  That is just too much.   Is there even
>> anything in the EULA about that crap?
>
> There's a lot of stuff that appears in EULAs that most people can't
> find out.  If you pick a random EULA and calculate it's readability
> statistics, you'll find they generally require a grade 12 reading
> level as well as being difficult to read.  These statistics don't
> mean a thing, but they do help demonstrate what is already known.
>
> Honestly, I don't believe that they even read their own licenses.
> Some recent batch of demos from the Maximum PC cover disk where their
> EULAs allow you to play two hours - yet the timer only allows one
> hour of play.

Aside from the EULA part, read what it was Inglo said that one anti 
piracy scheme did:

It installed a Windows SYSTEM DRIVER that is going to be there even if 
the disk is not.  Businesses evidently are allowed to be as invasive as 
they want, do whatever they want, as long as they can get away with it. 
I use Steam because (so far) it appears to be clean of malware and it 
does offer some benefits.  But that system driver installed just to do a 
cd check?  Nope.  Gotta go.
McG.

On 4/19/2005 4:01 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:

>"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
>news:334a619sabjio0qjpdj512tkllj6vtl9el@4ax.com
>  
>
>>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:29:02 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>><McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>"Inglo" <ioo@??.¿¿¿> wrote in message
>>>news:lxO8e.325$Xb4.185@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com
>>>      
>>>
>>>Well, that's just one more reason to like Steam a bit more.  A .sys
>>>driver for a CD check.  That is just too much.   Is there even
>>>anything in the EULA about that crap?
>>>      
>>>
>>There's a lot of stuff that appears in EULAs that most people can't
>>find out.  If you pick a random EULA and calculate it's readability
>>statistics, you'll find they generally require a grade 12 reading
>>level as well as being difficult to read.  These statistics don't
>>mean a thing, but they do help demonstrate what is already known.
>>
>>Honestly, I don't believe that they even read their own licenses.
>>Some recent batch of demos from the Maximum PC cover disk where their
>>EULAs allow you to play two hours - yet the timer only allows one
>>hour of play.
>>    
>>
>
>Aside from the EULA part, read what it was Inglo said that one anti 
>piracy scheme did:
>
>It installed a Windows SYSTEM DRIVER that is going to be there even if 
>the disk is not.  Businesses evidently are allowed to be as invasive as 
>they want, do whatever they want, as long as they can get away with it. 
>I use Steam because (so far) it appears to be clean of malware and it 
>does offer some benefits.  But that system driver installed just to do a 
>cd check?  Nope.  Gotta go.
>McG.
>
>
>  
>
Do a little googling on Starforce, you'll find lots of info
<http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&q=system+driver+starforce+copy+protection&btnG=Search>

The worst thing about it, it works.  Almost all the other copy 
protection stuff out there can be got around, Starforce is a hard nut to 
crack.  So it's liable to become more popular.
I had my first intro to Starforce with a really crappy game called 
Breed.  Whenever you launched the game it would take a minute or more to 
verify that the CD was present, grrr.  The game Breed itself sucked, so 
I uninstalled it (and left it sitting on a table in the laundry room of 
my apartment building), yet the Starforce driver was left behind. 

I went APE-FUCKING-SHIT.  If I had a few more screws loose I might have 
turned into an anti-starforce version of SayNo2Steam.  Luckily I know 
enough about deleting and uninstalling system drivers that I was able to 
purge my system, other people have to rely on downloading dubious 
starforce removal programs that I wouldn't touch.

-- 
People of the United States! We are Unitarian Jihad! We can strike without warning. Pockets of reasonableness and harmony will appear as if from nowhere! Nice people will run the government again! There will be coffee and cookies in the Gandhi Room after the revolution.

Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
www.inglostadt.com

"Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message
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> On 4/19/2005 4:01 PM McGrandpa brightened our day with:
>
>> "Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
>> news:334a619sabjio0qjpdj512tkllj6vtl9el@4ax.com
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:29:02 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Inglo" <ioo@??.żżż> wrote in message
>>>> news:lxO8e.325$Xb4.185@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's just one more reason to like Steam a bit more.  A .sys
>>>> driver for a CD check.  That is just too much.   Is there even
>>>> anything in the EULA about that crap?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There's a lot of stuff that appears in EULAs that most people can't
>>> find out.  If you pick a random EULA and calculate it's readability
>>> statistics, you'll find they generally require a grade 12 reading
>>> level as well as being difficult to read.  These statistics don't
>>> mean a thing, but they do help demonstrate what is already known.
>>>
>>> Honestly, I don't believe that they even read their own licenses.
>>> Some recent batch of demos from the Maximum PC cover disk where
>>> their EULAs allow you to play two hours - yet the timer only allows
>>> one hour of play.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aside from the EULA part, read what it was Inglo said that one anti
>> piracy scheme did:
>>
>> It installed a Windows SYSTEM DRIVER that is going to be there even
>> if the disk is not.  Businesses evidently are allowed to be as
>> invasive as they want, do whatever they want, as long as they can
>> get away with it. I use Steam because (so far) it appears to be
>> clean of malware and it does offer some benefits.  But that system
>> driver installed just to do a cd check?  Nope.  Gotta go.
>> McG.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Do a little googling on Starforce, you'll find lots of info
> <http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&q=system+driver+starforce+copy+protection&btnG=Search>
>
> The worst thing about it, it works.  Almost all the other copy
> protection stuff out there can be got around, Starforce is a hard nut
> to crack.  So it's liable to become more popular.
> I had my first intro to Starforce with a really crappy game called
> Breed.  Whenever you launched the game it would take a minute or more
> to verify that the CD was present, grrr.  The game Breed itself
> sucked, so I uninstalled it (and left it sitting on a table in the
> laundry room of my apartment building), yet the Starforce driver was
> left behind.
> I went APE-FUCKING-SHIT.  If I had a few more screws loose I might
> have turned into an anti-starforce version of SayNo2Steam.  Luckily I
> know enough about deleting and uninstalling system drivers that I was
> able to purge my system, other people have to rely on downloading
> dubious starforce removal programs that I wouldn't touch.

I wonder if I can enter that specifically into Trojan Hunter...hm :)

You can try that to see instantly all running processes and where they 
come from and are located.  TH is pretty good anti-malware.
McG. 

Starforce-free Splinter Cell for download:

http://www.direct2drive.com/product.aspx?pid=170

On 21 Apr 2005 00:06:16 -0700, delarge@fiberia.com wrote:

>Starforce-free Splinter Cell for download:
>
>http://www.direct2drive.com/product.aspx?pid=170

1. You really shouldn't snip context and reply to the incorrect posting at
the same time.  This confuses other posters into thinking that you are
trying to distribute a pirated version of a game.
2. There are people who are not aware of D2D, and wouldn't hesitate to send
reports of piracy to Google Groups and/or fiberia.  As I said above - don't
snip context.

"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:3fef6155vsq4cvmoriuef5d4k40acvvu36@4ax.com...
> On 21 Apr 2005 00:06:16 -0700, delarge@fiberia.com wrote:
>
>>Starforce-free Splinter Cell for download:
>>
>>http://www.direct2drive.com/product.aspx?pid=170
>
> 1. You really shouldn't snip context and reply to the incorrect posting at
> the same time.  This confuses other posters into thinking that you are
> trying to distribute a pirated version of a game.
> 2. There are people who are not aware of D2D, and wouldn't hesitate to 
> send
> reports of piracy to Google Groups and/or fiberia.  As I said above - 
> don't
> snip context.

All you had to do was click on the link or google direct2drive you fucknut. 
If you or any other netcop wannabe did complain about his post, you would 
simply continue to waste your time and inflate your own ego.

Just who the fuck do you think you are? 

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:41:08 GMT, "Michael-NC" <NoAddress@desolate.com>
wrote:

>
>"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
>news:3fef6155vsq4cvmoriuef5d4k40acvvu36@4ax.com...
>> On 21 Apr 2005 00:06:16 -0700, delarge@fiberia.com wrote:
>>
>>>Starforce-free Splinter Cell for download:
>>>
>>>http://www.direct2drive.com/product.aspx?pid=170
>>
>> 1. You really shouldn't snip context and reply to the incorrect posting at
>> the same time.  This confuses other posters into thinking that you are
>> trying to distribute a pirated version of a game.
>> 2. There are people who are not aware of D2D, and wouldn't hesitate to 
>> send
>> reports of piracy to Google Groups and/or fiberia.  As I said above - 
>> don't
>> snip context.
>
>All you had to do was click on the link or google direct2drive you fucknut. 

The same can be said about Outwar links.  What's your point?

>If you or any other netcop 

Oh, I get it - Another AOL-class troll. You really should get out more
since AOL-class trolls are "soooo nineties."    Perhaps you might even
learn to troll properly, such as making claims that the Earth is flat.
(Which it is - why else wouldn't games like Doom calculate the curvature of
the Earth or Mars into rendering calculations?)

"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:v6lk61pvebm7edcg5hduc1bb7tkdbqsqec@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:41:08 GMT, "Michael-NC" <NoAddress@desolate.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
>>news:3fef6155vsq4cvmoriuef5d4k40acvvu36@4ax.com...
>>> On 21 Apr 2005 00:06:16 -0700, delarge@fiberia.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Starforce-free Splinter Cell for download:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.direct2drive.com/product.aspx?pid=170
>>>
>>> 1. You really shouldn't snip context and reply to the incorrect posting 
>>> at
>>> the same time.  This confuses other posters into thinking that you are
>>> trying to distribute a pirated version of a game.
>>> 2. There are people who are not aware of D2D, and wouldn't hesitate to
>>> send
>>> reports of piracy to Google Groups and/or fiberia.  As I said above -
>>> don't
>>> snip context.
>>
>>All you had to do was click on the link or google direct2drive you 
>>fucknut.
>
> The same can be said about Outwar links.  What's your point?

The same could not said jackass. The poster gave a link to a valid, 
commercial website where you could DL the game without starforce and you 
chose to play moderator, accuse him of providing a link to pirate software 
and threaten to report him to his ISP for doing so! You were compelled to do 
so by your own stupidity and/or hubris. You sir, are simply an asswipe.

>>If you or any other netcop
>
> Oh, I get it - Another AOL-class troll.

You don't "get it" now and never will. Pseudo-Usenet Cops like yourself are 
a sad breed.

>You really should get out more
> since AOL-class trolls are "soooo nineties."

You should start minding your own fucking business and you won't get called 
out for being a dolt.

>Perhaps you might even
> learn to troll properly, such as making claims that the Earth is flat.
> (Which it is - why else wouldn't games like Doom calculate the curvature 
> of
> the Earth or Mars into rendering calculations?)

Try to stay on topic fucknut.

BTW, the only thing that may be flat around here is the top of your head. 
Pity Mommy dropped you that day...

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:42:40 GMT, "Michael-NC" <NoAddress@desolate.com>
wrote:

>you chose to play moderator, 

If that's the case, then show me either the letter I sent to the ISP, or
the third-party Usenet cancel message.  If you can't, then your postings
are groundless as they revolve around this central fact.

>accuse him of providing a link to pirate software 
>and threaten to report him to his ISP for doing so! 

As I said in the original posting:

>>>> 2. There are people who are not aware of D2D, and wouldn't hesitate to
>>>> send
>>>> reports of piracy to Google Groups and/or fiberia.  As I said above -
>>>> don't
>>>> snip context.

In this paragraph, I said that there are people who aren't aware of D2D and
won't hesitate to send reports of piracy.  I've seen it happen before
(because some troll reported an innoceus posting as spam) and it's bound to
happen again.  

If you had bothered to read the posting (which you obviously havent), you
would have known this. 

>You should start minding your own fucking business and you won't get called 
>out for being a dolt.

By whom?  Obviously, you aren't doing a very good job of it.  

By the way, you should mind your own business.  If there is a complaint
about my post, it's between me and the OP.  

>Try to stay on topic 

And yet, you remain quiet when someone posts about Spliner Cell.  Hypocrasy
doesn't get more blatent than that.  

You are also posting on the wrong newsgroup.  This "fucking" that you are
talking about is in Duke3D, not Doom 3.  Try to stay on topic with your
troll postings, next time.