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Michael-NC wrote:
> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:p0ORc.12413$rb2.6001@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> Michael-NC wrote:
>>> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6mHRc.9127$KZ2.4158@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>>>> snip<
>>>
>>>>> Is that why Intel delayed the 4ghz Pentium 4 until next year?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's a P4.
>>>
>>> Finally you're correct, it's actually a P5 but Intel is too
>>> embarrassed to call it that when their P4EE (emergency edition) runs
>>> faster.
>>>
>>>>>> And it bothers me that the 64 bit processor is outperforming the
>>>>>> 32 bit processor by only 18%.  Even with running under a 32bit
>>>>>> opsystem, I'd think that the AMD 64 should be performing some 30
>>>>>> to 40% faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Running 64 bit software vs 32 bit software it might be 30-40%
>>>>> faster,
>>>>> or even more than that. Running in 32 bit mode with a 32 bit OS,
>>>>> one shouldn't expect huge differences, however an 18%(where did
>>>>> you get that number?) decrease in run time might mean a chip that
>>>>> is worth 5x the slower one or more.
>>>>
>>>> Anandtechs Doom3 CPU comparisons.
>>>
>>> You should read Anandtech more carefully.
>>>
>>>>>> My own chip is a 3.0E Prescott 800 fsb.  I saw the scores.  Mine
>>>>>> is dead in the middle of everything.  That seemed reasonable for
>>>>>> a $184 chip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it, when a competator's $160 chip performs much better in most
>>>>> application , and has the ability to run 64 bit software thrown in
>>>>> as a free bonus? BTW, how did you get it for $184?
>>>>> www.pricewatch.com has the lowest price listed as $205.
>>>
>>> Who cares what the Prescott is selling for, it was an unmitigated
>>> disaster prompting Intel to abandon their numbering scheme that was
>>> tied to MHz and go with the newer BMW type classification. Intel has
>>> no fewer than 4 versions of P4. Confusion anyone?
>>>
>>>> Pricewatch apparently doesn't 'do' Houston, Tx neighbor.
>>>> A local shop.  'Electronics Outlet', privately owned, run by owner.
>>>> I buy most of my 'basic build' components there, cases, mobos,
>>>> cpu's, ram. Vid cards, hard drives, sound cards are better bought
>>>> at the chains. Much cheaper.
>>>> Another local shop with a website and pricelist has the same chip
>>>> today for quite a bit more, $269.
>>>
>>> Your guy probably just wants them out of his inventory.
>>
>> he doesn't keep an inventory like that.  I ordered my stuff in the
>> morning, stopped off after work and he'd picked them up from his
>> wholesaler.
>
> Wow! Sounds like a real power house retailer there! Hehehehe...

You should stop by there sometime, have a look around  :)

>
>>>>> Are you in the PC business?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, not at all.  This is a hobby.  And there are a LOT of 'hobby
>>>> shops' around Houston.
>>>> I'm looking at all my local shops for any of the AMD 64 chips and
>>>> mobos. Nobody is stocking them, special order, and I can promise
>>>> you the mobo is not stocked right now, and the chip more than your
>>>> $160.
>>>
>>> That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Athlon MB's
>>> are deep within all retail channels. All the shops in my area have
>>> them displayed and they are readily available on the net.
>>
>> Net.  Yes.  Not IN these stores here.  They can GET them in a day or
>> two.
>> It's amazing as hell to me that people in Nantucket can walk into a
>> local mom n pop shop and get this newer hardware, yet I have to
>> order it and WAIT, in one of the biggest metroplexes in the whole
>> damn world. There is 'mainstream' stuff running out the ying yang
>> here.  And pretty inexpensive too.  But the newest most wanted stuff
>> ain't showed up yet.
>
> You have a great retailer right in Houston, Axion Tech, 11160 Shelton
> Court Houston, Texas.
>
> I've ordered from them "on the net" several times. They're reliable,
> have good prices and AMD 64 boards in stock, for under 100 bucks. I
> realize Houston's a big country but sometimes you have to look a
> little harder...
>
>>> Check
>>> www.newegg.com They are a premier online retailer and their prices
>>> are just about the lowest available and their service is unmatched
>>> by any other dealer. They have plenty of AMD 64 boards. Much of your
>>> information seems dated by about a year. Did you happen to read a
>>> magazine article around September of last year and still think you
>>> know what's going on?
>>>
>>>> Here is something from todays pricelist at BestComputerUSA, a local
>>>> privately owned 3 store business that specializes in keeping us
>>>> hobbyists happy:
>>>> {{these top two I paid $184 and $199 for respectively on 4th June
>>>> at my own fave local shop (Electronics Outlet) thats much closer
>>>> to me}} P4-478 3.0E/800fsb/1m  $269
>>>> Athlon XP 3200+ (2.2g  400fsb) $229
>>>> Athlon 64 bit 3000+  $249
>>>> Athlon 64 bit 3200+  $299
>>>> Athlon 64 bit 3400+  $479
>>>> Athlon 64 FX53        $829
>>>> These are all boxed retail, with cooling solution and full
>>>> warranty. BUT, what about the motherboards for these 64 bit chips?
>>>> I've asked around for them, and there aren't that many yet.  Too
>>>> new.  The Athlon 64 itself is in lots of shops.  Not a single one
>>>> is under $200 anywhere in Houston.  The lowest priced mobo for the
>>>> AMD64 is an Asus and is $179.
>>>>
>>>> Care for a link?
>>>> http://www.bestcomputerusa.com/
>>>
>>> I'll give you a link that again. www.newegg.com
>>>
>>> There are 40 boards available in socket 754, starting at 64.00. They
>>> could be at your house tomorrow.
>>>
>>> 2 of the Socket 939 are in stock, starting at 119.85 and could be at
>>> your house tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Newegg prices on OEM CPU's
>>>
>>> Athlon 64 bit 2800+ 148.00
>>> Athlon 64 bit 3000+ 167.00
>>> Athlon 64 bit 3200+ 208.00
>>> Athlon 64 bit 3400+  289.00
>>> Athlon 64 FX53         819.00
>>>
>>> What's all this noise about again???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The same day, I bought a Athlon 3200+, for $199.
>>>>>> So who is selling the top AMD processors for $160?
>>>>>
>>>>> $160 is for the Athlon 64 3000+. The 3200+ is around $210.
>>>>
>>>> Still looking for who's selling them for those prices.
>>>
>>> www.newegg.com cowboy.
>> Watch it friend, I didn't call no names.
>
> Neither did I...
>
>> Online.  I only gave walk-in store prices and availability.  I'd
>> rather buy in a place I can walk it right back into the same day if
>> needed, and I have needed that many times.  Oh, here's one I haven't
>> checked yet... FRYS Outpost.com
>> Later...
>> McGrandpa
>
> You haven't checked Fry's... Well gee Cowboy, that's only one the
> biggest electronic retailers in Texas. Saddle up and get your rump
> over there. (hint, they have them in stock)
>
> Yippee-kay- yay!
>
> BTW, since you offered no rebuttal on any of the misguided notions I
> corrected you on, I guess I can safely assume that you are now
> straightened out.

Why sure, I've got your number :)