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Article #545155Re: Is global leadership a matter of military strength?
From: B J Foster
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:57
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:57
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B'inyamin Cramer wrote: > > "B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:45baaea5$0$8001$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > >> B'inyamin Cramer wrote: >> >>> >>> "B J Foster" <bjfo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:45baa1e3$0$9770$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... >>> >>>> B'inyamin Cramer wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>>>> Yeah right. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Iran is the centre around which terrorism revolves." >>>>>> >>>>>> May or may not be true, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It certainly is not true. >>>>> >>>>> Israel is the catalyst for Islamic terror, and is the centre from >>>>> which terrorism arises. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Iran-Iraq? >>> >>> >>> >>> Nope. >>> >>> The 911 Commission was clearly advised by the FBI that the >>> motivation behind the attacks of September 11th, were due to US >>> pro-israel foreign policy, and the ongoing israel / Palestine conflict. >>> >>> This comment did not make it into the official public release of the >>> findings. >>> >>> WHAT MOTIVATED THE 9/11 HIJACKERS TO ATTACK THE U.S.? >>> >> Who knows? > > > The post below tells you exactly what motivated the attackers, you clod. Maybe. But it doesn't support your claim: "Israel is the catalyst for Islamic terror, and is the centre from which terrorism arises" > >> >> But why are you raising 911 and ignoring the Iran-Iraq war which has >> zip to do with Israel? > > > It has everything to do with israel, you clown. The war between Iraq > and Iran was convenient for israel, and they had their pro yid > congressmen in the Jewnited States give Saddam all the assistance he > needed to attack Iran. That was in the days when the US were quite > enamoured of Saddam. US law forbade any US citizen from supplying weapons to either side. Laws are passed by Congress. Congress is elected by the people. I see that the ad-homs are flying thick and fast now. That's what tends to happen when you run out of rational arguments and your basis is ideological or race-based, you'll resort to *any* tactic to 'win'. But if your mind was open, and you truly wanted to learn something, you would take new facts on board and not resort to ad-hom or descend into name-calling. Therefore, it follows that this debate has ended. Reason: You're just another fuckwit. > > When the yanks finally wake up to how they've been used and abused by > the fucking yids, it's probably going to be too late to repair the > damage done. > > >> >> And what about the attack on the Indian parliament, another event >> which had nothing to do with Israel but which was originated and >> supported by another member of the axis of evil - one which Bush >> forgot to mention. >> >>> >>> >>> US foreign policy bias for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian >>> conflict and US government support for other oppressive regimes in >>> the Middle East. >>> >>> >>> >>> The 911 Commission held its twelfth and final public hearing on June >>> 16 - 17, 2004, in Washington DC. On June 16, the Commission heard >>> testimony from top law enforcement and intelligence experts on al >>> Qaeda and the 911 plot. It was at this hearing that the question >>> "What motivated them to do it?" was finally asked. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lee Hamilton >>> >>> September 11 Commission >>> >>> Vice Chair (D) >>> >>> I'm interested in the question of motivation of these hijackers, and >>> my question is really directed to the agents- "What have you found >>> out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do >>> it?" >>> >>> >>> >>> James Fitzgerald >>> >>> FBI Agent >>> >>> I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States. >>> They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with >>> people who oppose repressive regimes, and I believe they tend to >>> focus their anger on the United States. >>> >>> >>> >>> (This testimony was kept out of the 9/11 Commission Report and no >>> recommendation was given to address the main motive for the 9/11 >>> attacks.) >>> >>> >>> >>> After the report was issued, the ten commissioners formed the "911 >>> Public Discourse Project". >>> >>> >>> >>> At the August 2, 2005 session on foreign policy, Lee Hamilton >>> quickly tries to silence someone who asks why the US support for >>> Israel isn't being addressed. >>> >>> >>> >>> From a Gallery Member >>> >>> The Gorilla in the Room is US support for Israel. >>> >>> >>> >>> "By his own account, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's animus toward the >>> United States stemmed not from his experiences there as a student, >>> but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy >>> favouring Israel". Pl 47, 9/11 Commission Report. >>> >>> >>> >>> "The Cause of the September 11 attacks .. The conflict between >>> Israel and Palestine was always at the heart. "It's central', he >>> said. "It's not the only thing, but it's the central thing." P248 A >>> Pretext to a War. >>> >>> >>> >>> This was sensitive ground, "Hamilton and Kean say in their new book, >>> "Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission," and >>> some commissioners worried "listing U.S. support for Israel as a >>> root cause of al Qaeda's opposition to the United States indicated >>> that the United States should reassess that policy." >>> >>> >>> >>> Hamilton and Kean were promoting their book ant dook some questin >>> outside NBc Studios in Washington D.C. in August of 2006. Sam >>> Husseini, of the Institute for Public Accuracy asked about US >>> foreign policy supporting Israel: "Aren't we planting the seeds of >>> further terrorism? Aren't we putting out the fire with gasoline >>> here? And you can do all the security measures, all the law >>> enforcement, but if that [US Foreign Policy favouring Israel] >>> continues isn't that a fundamental argument....... >>> >>> >>> >>> Hamilton >>> >>> "Foreign policy gets very complicated. When you take certain actions >>> to support a friend, the security of Israel, as we did, it has >>> consequences. No doubt about it." >>> >>> >>> >>> "America's policy choices have consequences." P376, 911 Commission >>> Report. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2034713205135636687&q=911+commission+public+hearing >>> >>>
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Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!nntpserver.com!zeus.nntpserver.com!61.88.178.82.MISMATCH!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:57:01 +1100 From: B J Foster <bjfo...@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-au, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.singapore,aus.politics,alt.politics.bush,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.israel,alt.abortion,alt.games.diablo,alt.gossip.royalty Subject: Re: Is global leadership a matter of military strength? References: <1169400179.191913.54740@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com> <45b55a7d$0$5746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1169558892.074163.150710@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <45b6def6$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <45b7f53a$1@news.starhub.net.sg> <ep909c$ncg$1@registered.motzarella.org> <45b885c9$0$29329$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <epaaih$9su$1@registered.motzarella.org> <45b8be46.2391208@news.onetel.net.uk> <45b8c65c$0$16553$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <45b8dfd7.10984494@news.onetel.net.uk> <45b8f917$0$2917$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <45b9906d.856922@news.onetel.net.uk> <45b9c4c4$0$16553$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <45b9dda3.20623184@news.onetel.net.uk> <45ba9161$0$5749$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <MeWdnRI684vvPSfYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@giganews.com> <45baa1e3$0$9770$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <epmdnX1BTO4QOyfYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@giganews.com> <45baaea5$0$8001$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <yZudnQI4BetuICfYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@giganews.com> In-Reply-To: <yZudnQI4BetuICfYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 205 Message-ID: <45bacef2$0$5743$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.30.99.106 X-Trace: 1169870580 5743 211.30.99.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit