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Re: Is global leadership a matter of military strength?

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From: B'inyamin Cramer
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:53
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
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> "B'inyamin Cramer" <neverayidinsight@nienteayidhere.cam> wrote in message 
> news:beednfJbsosIhyHYnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@giganews.com...
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>> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
>> news:45bc17c1$0$2917$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>> You may apologise at any time you feel comfortable doing so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will, when you say what weapon or weapons USA or Israel ever 
>>>>> supplied to Saddam.
>>>>>
>>>>> The weapons were:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what weapons they supplied.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because there weren't any.
>>
>> Yes there were. Are you calling Reagan and his henchmen liars? Did you 
>> check out the information I provided about Reagan's comments? Guess not 
>> huh?
>>
>> Here they are again. Plenty of information there for you to commence a 
>> little research.
>>
>> In 1982 the US decided to back Iraq because Iran was winning on the
>> battlefield. Reagan stated the US "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose
>> the war to Iran and would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent
>> Iraq from losing the war with Iran."
>>
>> Check Reagan's National Security Decision Directive of June 1982.
>>
>
> This fails to mention any specific actions that the US actually took. And 
> it clearly excludes weapons, because supply of such to Iraq was illegal at 
> the time; Reagan's directive explicitly requires that any support be 
> "legal" (presumably to specifically forbid the supply of weapons).

Your statement, dopey, was that the US DID NOT SUPPLY WEAPONS to Iraq. They 
clearly did.
>
>> Reagan involved the US in providing Iraq with intelligence, economic aid
>> etc. including the provision of weapons.
>
> I would disagree with much of this, but keeping this on-topic, what 
> exactly weapons did the US supply to Saddam? Fighters (no, they were 
> French)? Tanks (no, they were German)? Artillery and SAMs (no, they were 
> Russian)? Medium range ballistic missiles (no, they were Chinese and North 
> Korean)?

I really don't give a flying fuck whether you disagree or not, dopey. The 
fact remains that the US did indeed supply weapons to Saddam.

END OF STORY.
>
> What were the weapons?
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Your original assertion was that no weapons were supplied. I showed you 
>>>> were wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>
>> Oh yes I did. In the above, which you clearly have difficulty 
>> understanding.
>>
>>>
>>> The US and Israel supplied weapons to Iran, specifically including 1,000 
>>> BGM-71 TOWs.
>>>
>>> What weapons did they supply to Iraq?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Methinks a gentleman would accept he was wrong, and apologise for his 
>>>> fuckup.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Me too. I am hoping that if you can't identify a single weapon that the 
>>> US supplied to Iraq, you actually will apologise.
>>
>> Your original assertion, dopey, was that the US did not supply weapons to 
>> Saddam. I proved you wrong.
>>
>> Deal with it.
>>
>
> How did you prove me wrong? You haven't posted a single "fact" that even 
> mentions supply of weapons to Iraq.

Of course I did, you halfwit. I posted more than enough information for you 
to follow up with and find your own proof. You'd not believe me if I 
provided same.

>
> (I guess you do agree however that the US and Israel supplied weapons to 
> Iraq's enemy, Iran, at the time?)

I've never disputed that, nor was it the topic of the conversation to hand.


Now fuck off, grow up, and locate a brain you fucking halfwit.
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From: "B'inyamin Cramer" <neverayidinsight@nienteayidhere.cam>
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