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Article #544026Re: the west is the best... and a rant about T60 ThinkPads.
From: ~misfit~
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 01:04
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 01:04
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Mark P. Nelson wrote: > Man, you do not need any more coffee! Heh! ThinkPads are something I'm passionate about so I tend to get a bit verbose and bellicose when I write about them. > I wish I had your expertise in the laptop world. I always avoided > them as overpriced toys, when real men used towers, and that's what > I've always built. I was the same until a couple years ago, building gaming rigs for mates as well as my own. Then I started to think about the fact that I was fitting PSUs with ratings between 700 and 1,000 watts and graphics cards that could double as leaf-blowers, sometimes two in a box! Electricity keeps going up in price, I'm on a low fixed income and I realised that I was surrounded my machines that were pulling ~250w while I was just reading newsgroups. Consequently I did my research, spoke to some friends in the IT world about makes of laptop etcetera and the unanimous consensus was T-series ThinkPads are the best (with an honourable mention to the R51s and R52s from around '05), even though some of the guy's employers had changed to using Dell, much to the disgust of the IT folks. Dell have adopted an extremely aggressive pricing and support regime for corporates here of late, getting a lot of customers who were loyal to IBM but unsure of Lenovo. As for my 'expertise', that's all down to the fact that there is excellent documentation in the form of 'hardware maintenance manuals' available on IBM's site as well as communities of others passionate about ThinkPads. Check out http://forum.thinkpads.com/ , those guys *really* know their stuff. Also http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki is a handy resource. Any other brand of laptop I deal with it's just a matter of taking my time and not getting impatient if it won't come apart, looking for hidden screws or plastic tabs (they don't go back together well if you break those off). Also Google is your friend. I've found a few user-documented disassembly guides with pictures for different models and makes. It's my opinion that desktops are going to (continue to) become increasingly rare, reduced to gamers rigs and small business servers. I reckon in 10 years most people will have forgotten what they look like or why they used such monsterous things. I still have a Socket 775 tower machine with a 45nm C2D (that I'll upgrade to one of the best quads I can afford when they're cheaper) that has four really neat front-loading SATA HDD bays that take a bare drive and are hot-swappable (and I have USB 'docks' for SATA HDDs hooked up to my ThinkPads docking stations). It doesn't get turned on often though, mainly to move data between my stack of HDDs as it's *way* faster doing it via SATA than it is via USB. 3.5" HDDs are by far the cheapest option per GB for storage still and likely will be for a while so it makes sense to use them. Oh, if I have a big batch of video that needs transcoding I use the 'heavy iron' for that as it's faster at processing than the T60 and much faster accessing the 3.5" HDDs. That's why I'll ultimately put a quad core in it, for the raw grunt for the rare times that I need it rather than tying the laptop up. (I can get a Q6600 relatively cheaply but would like to hold out for a 45nm processor, preferably one with a lot of L2. They're still quite expensive for now. > I have had or maintained for PHBs a few laptops over the years, and I > always thought they sacrificed too much just to lose weight. This Sony Viao I have here is an extreme example of that. It has the same 'grunt' as my T60 but is half the weight and you just know that if you dropped it, even from a metre onto carpet, that it would disintegrate. There are most certainly laptops and then there are laptops.... > When > Lenovo bought the IBM laptop business, I also figured it was the end > for the brand. Lenovo were basically making ThinkPads for IBM under strict supervision for a few years before the takeover and there were quite a few IBM designers in-house. When IBM divested itself of it's laptop and desktop business' the formerly-IBM team stayed with Lenovo so, by and large, it's still the same team designing (some of) the laptops. Also IBM still hold rights to the 'ThinkPad' name and have set rules for it's use, hence Lenovo bringing out their own 'IdeaPad' range. (IBM adopted the slogan "Think!" in the 1920s and registered it / patented it (?) around the late 1940's. It was one of the first slogans to be patented [sorry, no cites right now] so they're not going to let it get dragged into the gutter at this late stage.) Basically so far and for the near future at least the T series of ThinkPads are still a good bet. I can't vouch for Lenovo's own model lines (they sell millions of laptops in China) or even the non-T series ThinkPads (I hear they're perhaps slipping a bit although the ThinkPad reputation is a hard one to live up to). > Perhaps I have been wrong. Yes and no. Some of the Lenovo ThinkPad range are distinctly 'for the masses' (as were some of the IBM ThinkPads, but perhaps to a lesser extent) however the T series remains the flagship and as such is still an excellent machine. > Thanks for your thoughts. Heh! Thanks for reading. I'm pleased that I wasn't just talking to myself, I do enough of that in RL. <g> -- Shaun. "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson.
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