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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-06-30, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> Bitsavers uploaded a great deal of material from Xerox in the
>> 1980s.  XDE, PARC, typefounder, dorado, dolphin, etc.
>> 
>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/IndexByDate.txt
> 
> Thank you, thank you, thank you. I threw away my XDE manuals in a house
> move decades ago, which I have always regretted and my Xerox 6085
> workstations a couple of years after that, ditto.
> 

"You never regret the things you don't throw away" -- me

It drives my wife crazy.

-- 
Pete

On 1 Jul 2018 15:49:09 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
> with them is likely to be my executor.

	I have a similar pile of books, this is the first place I haven't
erected shelving to hold them all and put them (back) into order - epubs
are so much handier, I just wish it was easier to buy new books in that
format. Nearly all of the old ones are freely downloadable, and I take the
view that if I bought a new copy once (true of pretty much my entire
collection) then I don't feel at all guilty about downloading an epub of it.

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On 1 Jul 2018 15:49:09 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

>On 2018-07-01, Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-30, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>> Bitsavers uploaded a great deal of material from Xerox in the
>>>> 1980s.  XDE, PARC, typefounder, dorado, dolphin, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/IndexByDate.txt
>>> 
>>> Thank you, thank you, thank you. I threw away my XDE manuals in a house
>>> move decades ago, which I have always regretted and my Xerox 6085
>>> workstations a couple of years after that, ditto.
>>> 
>>
>> "You never regret the things you don't throw away" -- me
>
>I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
>time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
>money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
>aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
>with them is likely to be my executor.

     Maybe, he will take up the pastime.

     You could move twice more.  In rec.art.sf-written, there is a
saying that three moves are equivalent to a fire.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:

> On 2018-07-01, Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-30, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>> Bitsavers uploaded a great deal of material from Xerox in the
>>>> 1980s.  XDE, PARC, typefounder, dorado, dolphin, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/IndexByDate.txt
>>> 
>>> Thank you, thank you, thank you. I threw away my XDE manuals in a house
>>> move decades ago, which I have always regretted and my Xerox 6085
>>> workstations a couple of years after that, ditto.
>>> 
>>
>> "You never regret the things you don't throw away" -- me
>
> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
> with them is likely to be my executor.

Agree.  All the books, 45s, LPs, etc. are gone.
The house is more pleasant without the clutter.
Plus I have all the 45s and LPs on my hard drive.
Much easier to listen to them now.

-- 
Dan Espen

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> writes:
>On 1 Jul 2018 15:49:09 GMT
>Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
>> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
>> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
>> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
>> with them is likely to be my executor.
>
>	I have a similar pile of books, this is the first place I haven't
>erected shelving to hold them all and put them (back) into order - epubs
>are so much handier, I just wish it was easier to buy new books in that
>format. Nearly all of the old ones are freely downloadable, and I take the
>view that if I bought a new copy once (true of pretty much my entire
>collection) then I don't feel at all guilty about downloading an epub of it.

Even the new ones show up on one or more of the 'alt' usenet groups, sometimes before
they're officially released.

Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> writes:
>Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2018-07-01, Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-06-30, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>>> Bitsavers uploaded a great deal of material from Xerox in the
>>>>> 1980s.  XDE, PARC, typefounder, dorado, dolphin, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/IndexByDate.txt
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you, thank you, thank you. I threw away my XDE manuals in a house
>>>> move decades ago, which I have always regretted and my Xerox 6085
>>>> workstations a couple of years after that, ditto.
>>>> 
>>>
>>> "You never regret the things you don't throw away" -- me
>>
>> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
>> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
>> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
>> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
>> with them is likely to be my executor.
>
>Agree.  All the books, 45s, LPs, etc. are gone.
>The house is more pleasant without the clutter.
>Plus I have all the 45s and LPs on my hard drive.
>Much easier to listen to them now.

We did you find the digital version of the Buckingham/Nicks  album?  :-)

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:35:11 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Even the new ones show up on one or more of the 'alt' usenet groups,
> sometimes before they're officially released.

	I know - but some part of me objects to the choice between buying a
paperback or kindle edition that I don't want to inject the appropriate
financial support into the book producing chain or freeloading. Charles
Stross makes it very clear why sending money directly to the author doesn't
cut it.

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On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 14:45:49 -0700
Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net> wrote:

>      You could move twice more.  In rec.art.sf-written, there is a
> saying that three moves are equivalent to a fire.

	Wow, I must have the most fireproof collection of paperbacks in the
world. I *hate* filling out forms that require me to list all previous
addresses with dates.

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On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:14:25 -0400
Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree.  All the books, 45s, LPs, etc. are gone.
> The house is more pleasant without the clutter.
> Plus I have all the 45s and LPs on my hard drive.
> Much easier to listen to them now.

	I ditched the LPs and 45s last move, they went to someone who
appreciated them and went all strange when he saw the real zip[1] on my copy
of Sticky Fingers (kind of makes me wish I'd rescued my brother's original
round covered Ogden's Nutgone Flake before he lost it) - along with the
record deck and moving coil pre-amp.

[1] A RPITA because of course you can't let any pressure build up against
it otherwise trashed records will ensue.

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On 2018-07-02, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> writes:
>>On 1 Jul 2018 15:49:09 GMT
>>Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
>>> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
>>> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
>>> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
>>> with them is likely to be my executor.
>>
>>	I have a similar pile of books, this is the first place I haven't
>>erected shelving to hold them all and put them (back) into order - epubs
>>are so much handier, I just wish it was easier to buy new books in that
>>format. Nearly all of the old ones are freely downloadable, and I take the
>>view that if I bought a new copy once (true of pretty much my entire
>>collection) then I don't feel at all guilty about downloading an epub of it.
>
> Even the new ones show up on one or more of the 'alt' usenet groups, sometimes before
> they're officially released.

I have a few books on a shelf in fron of me here. There are other that
are `around' somehwere, but if I need them, it is easier to download them
electronically from Amazon, than to search. I think that is great.

There were obscure books that I  wanted to read a little of, but are of
such limited interest that they cost a lot of money.. People with an interest
are encoding such works into kindle format.

Some such works that I downloaded in the earlier days were crap, now they seem
to be doing it right.


-- 
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Will Rant for Food.

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> writes:
>On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:35:11 GMT
>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> Even the new ones show up on one or more of the 'alt' usenet groups,
>> sometimes before they're officially released.
>
>	I know - but some part of me objects to the choice between buying a
>paperback or kindle edition that I don't want to inject the appropriate
>financial support into the book producing chain or freeloading.

One may buy the book, store it in a box unread, then find the e-version for
a nook or other side-loading e-reader.  This supports the printer, publisher,
editor and author.

Although one may also consider the library book model (albeit not a perfect
analogy).

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 1 Jul 2018 15:49:09 GMT
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
>> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
>> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
>> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
>> with them is likely to be my executor.
> 
> 	I have a similar pile of books, this is the first place I haven't
> erected shelving to hold them all and put them (back) into order - epubs
> are so much handier, I just wish it was easier to buy new books in that
> format. Nearly all of the old ones are freely downloadable, and I take the
> view that if I bought a new copy once (true of pretty much my entire
> collection) then I don't feel at all guilty about downloading an epub of it.
> 

Wow 51 boxes! I have about five boxes of _Analog_ from the 60's thru the
80s maybe. After several attempts to sell them I finally faced the fact
that no one wants them at any price. Right now they're sitting on a tarp
out by the road waiting to go into the trash tomorrow.

-- 
Pete

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:37:39 -0400, Peter Flass wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 1 Jul 2018 15:49:09 GMT Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
>>> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
>>> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
>>> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
>>> with them is likely to be my executor.
>> 
>> 	I have a similar pile of books, this is the first place I haven't
>> erected shelving to hold them all and put them (back) into order -
>> epubs are so much handier, I just wish it was easier to buy new books
>> in that format. Nearly all of the old ones are freely downloadable, and
>> I take the view that if I bought a new copy once (true of pretty much
>> my entire collection) then I don't feel at all guilty about downloading
>> an epub of it.
>> 
>> 
> Wow 51 boxes! I have about five boxes of _Analog_ from the 60's thru the
> 80s maybe. After several attempts to sell them I finally faced the fact
> that no one wants them at any price. Right now they're sitting on a tarp
> out by the road waiting to go into the trash tomorrow.

I have a complete run of Analog (and predecessors) from 1943-now. Given 
to me a few years ago and I kept up the subscription.

-- 
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:24:04 +0000, Huge wrote:

> On 2018-07-01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> 	I have a similar pile of books, this is the first place I haven't
>> erected shelving to hold them all and put them (back) into order -
>> epubs are so much handier, I just wish it was easier to buy new books
>> in that format. Nearly all of the old ones are freely downloadable, and
>> I take the view that if I bought a new copy once (true of pretty much
>> my entire collection) then I don't feel at all guilty about downloading
>> an epub of it.

Same here.

> This all may well be true, and when I find an E-reader I like, I'll be
> able to find out. Until then, I'll stick to dead trees.

I'm reasonably happy with my Kobo Aura. I've never bought a book from 
Kobo. It integrates pretty well with Calibre, too.


-- 
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Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

On 2018-07-02, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:

> I'm reasonably happy with my Kobo Aura. I've never bought a book from 
> Kobo. It integrates pretty well with Calibre, too.

I have an older Kobo, and have successfully uploaded PDFs into it.
My laptop is still easier, though.

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On 2018-07-02, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:14:25 -0400
> Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Agree.  All the books, 45s, LPs, etc. are gone.
>> The house is more pleasant without the clutter.
>> Plus I have all the 45s and LPs on my hard drive.
>> Much easier to listen to them now.
>
> 	I ditched the LPs and 45s last move, they went to someone who
> appreciated them and went all strange when he saw the real zip[1] on my copy
> of Sticky Fingers (kind of makes me wish I'd rescued my brother's original
> round covered Ogden's Nutgone Flake before he lost it) - along with the
> record deck and moving coil pre-amp.
>
> [1] A RPITA because of course you can't let any pressure build up against
> it otherwise trashed records will ensue.

I store mine at the right-hand end of the shelf so it doesn't chew up
the adjacent album.  Speaking of Stones albums, I have a copy of _Some
Girls_ from before some of the faces were blanked out.  But I don't have
the original eye-bending version of _Their Satanic Majesties' Request_...

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On 2018-07-02, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:37:39 -0400, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Wow 51 boxes! I have about five boxes of _Analog_ from the 60's thru the
>> 80s maybe. After several attempts to sell them I finally faced the fact
>> that no one wants them at any price. Right now they're sitting on a tarp
>> out by the road waiting to go into the trash tomorrow.
>
> I have a complete run of Analog (and predecessors) from 1943-now. Given 
> to me a few years ago and I kept up the subscription.

My collection is complete from 1951, with a number of issues back through
the '40s.  It stops about 10 years ago, though, when I ran short of both
reading time and reliable suppliers.

I also have a complete collection of Galaxy, plus a few issues of
Worlds of If.  Lots of good reading there some day...

    ...taking Polaroid photos that are never in focus
    Just to look at when they finally slow down.
      -- Jimmy Buffett

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On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:18:26 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Although one may also consider the library book model (albeit not a
> perfect analogy).

	Indeed, library books or more to the point the limited selection of
them was what started me on buying my own, the unlimited selection of epubs
available on USENET is a disincentive to buying.

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On 2 Jul 2018 21:24:04 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> This all may well be true, and when I find an E-reader I like, I'll
> be able to find out. Until then, I'll stick to dead trees.

	I mainly use my phone - much as using it for a camera it is not
ideal but it is always handy and it gets the job done.

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On 3 Jul 2018 06:20:44 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2018-07-02, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> 
> > [1] A RPITA because of course you can't let any pressure build up
> > against it otherwise trashed records will ensue.
> 
> I store mine at the right-hand end of the shelf so it doesn't chew up
> the adjacent album.

	That's what I used to do, which put it some distance from the other
Stone's albums, special care was also needed when packing for moving too.

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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-07-02, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:37:39 -0400, Peter Flass wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow 51 boxes! I have about five boxes of _Analog_ from the 60's thru the
>>> 80s maybe. After several attempts to sell them I finally faced the fact
>>> that no one wants them at any price. Right now they're sitting on a tarp
>>> out by the road waiting to go into the trash tomorrow.
>> 
>> I have a complete run of Analog (and predecessors) from 1943-now. Given 
>> to me a few years ago and I kept up the subscription.
> 
> My collection is complete from 1951, with a number of issues back through
> the '40s.  It stops about 10 years ago, though, when I ran short of both
> reading time and reliable suppliers.
> 
> I also have a complete collection of Galaxy, plus a few issues of
> Worlds of If.  Lots of good reading there some day...

Indeed. Just moving the stacks I enjoyed looking at the covers and
remembering the great stories. Surprizingly I do recall a lot of them.

> 
>     ...taking Polaroid photos that are never in focus
>     Just to look at when they finally slow down.
>       -- Jimmy Buffett
> 



-- 
Pete

On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.

	I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's saving
grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.

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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> writes:
>>Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 2018-07-01, Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-06-30, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Bitsavers uploaded a great deal of material from Xerox in the
>>>>>> 1980s.  XDE, PARC, typefounder, dorado, dolphin, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/IndexByDate.txt
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, thank you, thank you. I threw away my XDE manuals in a house
>>>>> move decades ago, which I have always regretted and my Xerox 6085
>>>>> workstations a couple of years after that, ditto.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> "You never regret the things you don't throw away" -- me
>>>
>>> I fear that isn't entirely true. We moved 51 boxes of SF books last
>>> time (in Feb 2016). I'm kinda conflicted about the time, effort and
>>> money involved in that, given I'm unlikely to read them again, they
>>> aren't worth anything significant and the next person to do anything
>>> with them is likely to be my executor.
>>
>>Agree.  All the books, 45s, LPs, etc. are gone.
>>The house is more pleasant without the clutter.
>>Plus I have all the 45s and LPs on my hard drive.
>>Much easier to listen to them now.
>
> We did you find the digital version of the Buckingham/Nicks  album?  :-)

Hooked up turntable to computer and digitized all my LPs and 45s.
After a long, long time doing this I now have all 7K tracks in my
computer.

For the car, I burn MP3 DATA CDs.  250 tracks per CD so
the 28 CDs in the car is the only remaining clutter.
Not really a problem.

-- 
Dan Espen

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> writes:

> On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:14:25 -0400
> Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Agree.  All the books, 45s, LPs, etc. are gone.
>> The house is more pleasant without the clutter.
>> Plus I have all the 45s and LPs on my hard drive.
>> Much easier to listen to them now.
>
> 	I ditched the LPs and 45s last move, they went to someone who
> appreciated them and went all strange when he saw the real zip[1] on my copy
> of Sticky Fingers (kind of makes me wish I'd rescued my brother's original
> round covered Ogden's Nutgone Flake before he lost it) - along with the
> record deck and moving coil pre-amp.

Yep, had the zipper too.

Mine went out with bulk pickup.
Some guy drove by seeing me put them out and helped carry out
what remained.  I hope he was happy with them.
The records had been played a lot.  When I digitized them
I also removed the worst scratches and pops, using filters
and some manually.

-- 
Dan Espen

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
>> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.
> 
> 	I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
> term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's saving
> grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.
> 

I have a case that lets the tablet stand up on the  arm of my chair, or my
lap.

-- 
Pete

On 3 Jul 2018 11:00:14 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> That's the 'phone's main justification really, isn't? It's a shit
> e-reader, a shit computer, a shit net browser and indeed a shit
> telephone.

	Mine's a pretty good telephone - when there's a signal otherwise
yep a shit telephone. For the rest I'd rate it mediocre rather than shit
there are worse options for all of these (desktop, programmable calculator,
Smart TV, FM cordless - in order).

	Jack of all trades innit, but as you say a surprisingly good MP3
player.

	I actually have a dedicated e-reader, a dedicated camera, a PDA and
a dedicated MP3 player ... somewhere.

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On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 08:26:15 -0400
Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT
> > Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
> >> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.
> > 
> > 	I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
> > term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's
> > saving grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.
> > 
> 
> I have a case that lets the tablet stand up on the  arm of my chair, or my
> lap.

	Yep that works - except in bed, in the car (waiting not driving) ...

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On Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:18:52 -0400
Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hooked up turntable to computer and digitized all my LPs and 45s.
> After a long, long time doing this I now have all 7K tracks in my
> computer.

	I started doing that and cleaning up the results in Audacity
and ... then I gave up and downloaded them, life is too short.

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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>On 2018-07-02, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:14:25 -0400
>> Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agree.  All the books, 45s, LPs, etc. are gone.
>>> The house is more pleasant without the clutter.
>>> Plus I have all the 45s and LPs on my hard drive.
>>> Much easier to listen to them now.
>>
>> 	I ditched the LPs and 45s last move, they went to someone who
>> appreciated them and went all strange when he saw the real zip[1] on my copy
>> of Sticky Fingers (kind of makes me wish I'd rescued my brother's original
>> round covered Ogden's Nutgone Flake before he lost it) - along with the
>> record deck and moving coil pre-amp.
>>
>> [1] A RPITA because of course you can't let any pressure build up against
>> it otherwise trashed records will ensue.
>
>I store mine at the right-hand end of the shelf so it doesn't chew up
>the adjacent album.  Speaking of Stones albums, I have a copy of _Some
>Girls_ from before some of the faces were blanked out.  But I don't have
>the original eye-bending version of _Their Satanic Majesties' Request_...

I have a copy of _Street Survivors_ from before the plane crash and
a test pressing of UFO _Light's Out_.

A friend has the gatefold pop-up of JT's _Stand Up_, and the very rare
Beatles butcher album.

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> writes:
>On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT
>Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
>> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.
>
>	I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
>term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's saving
>grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.
>

I've a pair of nook simple touch e-ink readers.   They're the same size (albeit much thinner)
and weight as a paperback, and fit in my back pocket.   Great in outdoor
lighting, long battery life (weeks) and good for side-loading.

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
>> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.
>
> 	I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
> term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's saving
> grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.
>
I use a tablet a lot, shifting read only things off the desktop in effect, 
and I'm surprised it hasn't broken yet.  I doze off and the tablet falls 
to the ground.  Though, my mother did destroy an iPad some eyars back, I 
enver heard the full story but she must have dropped it and badly.  Either 
that or someone stepped on it.  She used it a bit, and the glass was 
cracked among other things.

   Michael

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Peter Flass wrote:


> Indeed. Just moving the stacks I enjoyed looking at the covers and
> remembering the great stories. Surprizingly I do recall a lot of them.
>
At one point I purged a lot of radio and electronic magazines, pulling out 
the articles I wanted to keep and recycling the rest.

What I miss is taking out those magazines and reading through them, or 
even just glancing through them.  I have the "good" articles (though my 
interests could change) but that's not the same thing.  Luckily, a lot of 
them have been digitized and I can download them, but reading on an 
ereader isn't the same either.  It's not like buying the magazine at the 
newsstand decades ago, and hurrying home to read it carefully. I miss 
magazines in general, because they've gotten expensive, and seem to have 
less of interest per issue (I'm not sure if that's me, or the magazines 
are printing less of interest).  There are some great deals, subscribe to 
some digital magazine program and get endless magazines for ten dollars a 
month, I'd try to read them all,  but I'm not sure I want more digital 
stuff coming in.  Magazines are a place away from the screen.  Every so 
often I find some exotic magazines at used book sales (as opposed to piles 
of National Geographic and Architecture Digest) and that's fun, kind of 
like the old days when magazines were cheap and I'd sample different 
things for the sake of something new.

I got National Geographic on DVD a few years ago, over a hundred years for 
twenty dollars, and I still haven't installed it.  Nice to access specific 
articles, but not the same thing as going through the boxes uncovering 
things.

   Michael

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2018-07-02, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> I'm reasonably happy with my Kobo Aura. I've never bought a book from
>> Kobo. It integrates pretty well with Calibre, too.
>
> I have an older Kobo, and have successfully uploaded PDFs into it.
> My laptop is still easier, though.
>
I have a Kobo mini, when they were cleaing them out.  With the epaper, 
browsing is slwo, so yes, retrieving pdf's can be slow.  On the mini, the 
keyboard is terribly small, making for errors, and if I recall, you can't 
just scroll back, you have to erase everything back to the error, and type 
it all back in.  I don'[t use the thign much, a tad too small, but also in 
retrospect, I'd rather have paper books than buy ebooks.  It's useful for 
out of copyright things, but I've yet to buy a book, after five or six 
years.  I grabbed a copy of one of my great, great, great grandfather's 
books, and it was full of odd characters, I'm not sure if there was some 
incompatibility, or someone scanned the book badly.  I need to get back to 
that.

   Michael

On Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:18:52 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

> For the car, I burn MP3 DATA CDs.  250 tracks per CD so the 28 CDs in
> the car is the only remaining clutter.
> Not really a problem.

These days, it's a single 64GB USB stick in the car!

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On 3 Jul 2018 19:45:30 GMT
Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:18:52 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
> 
> > For the car, I burn MP3 DATA CDs.  250 tracks per CD so the 28 CDs in
> > the car is the only remaining clutter.
> > Not really a problem.
> 
> These days, it's a single 64GB USB stick in the car!

	Bluetooth from phone in the car - USB stick would probably be
better but there's no socket for it, previous owner was good enough to
install a Parrot though.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 08:26:15 -0400
> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT
>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
>>>> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.
>>> 
>>> I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
>>> term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's
>>> saving grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.
>>> 
>> 
>> I have a case that lets the tablet stand up on the  arm of my chair, or my
>> lap.
> 
> 	Yep that works - except in bed, in the car (waiting not driving) ...
> 

I sit up in bed and balance it on my lap. In the car I lean it against the
steering wheel.

For ebooks I have an ancient Kindle with an actual keyboard and a lousy
browser, but the battery lasts forever. I can read on a cross-country
flight without needing to recharge.

-- 
Pete

Michael Black <mbl...@pubnix.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
> 
>> Indeed. Just moving the stacks I enjoyed looking at the covers and
>> remembering the great stories. Surprizingly I do recall a lot of them.
>> 
> At one point I purged a lot of radio and electronic magazines, pulling out 
> the articles I wanted to keep and recycling the rest.
> 
> What I miss is taking out those magazines and reading through them, or 
> even just glancing through them.  I have the "good" articles (though my 
> interests could change) but that's not the same thing.  Luckily, a lot of 
> them have been digitized and I can download them, but reading on an 
> ereader isn't the same either.  It's not like buying the magazine at the 
> newsstand decades ago, and hurrying home to read it carefully. I miss 
> magazines in general, because they've gotten expensive, and seem to have 
> less of interest per issue (I'm not sure if that's me, or the magazines 
> are printing less of interest).  There are some great deals, subscribe to 
> some digital magazine program and get endless magazines for ten dollars a 
> month, I'd try to read them all,  but I'm not sure I want more digital 
> stuff coming in.  Magazines are a place away from the screen.  Every so 
> often I find some exotic magazines at used book sales (as opposed to piles 
> of National Geographic and Architecture Digest) and that's fun, kind of 
> like the old days when magazines were cheap and I'd sample different 
> things for the sake of something new.
> 
> I got National Geographic on DVD a few years ago, over a hundred years for 
> twenty dollars, and I still haven't installed it.  Nice to access specific 
> articles, but not the same thing as going through the boxes uncovering 
> things.

I have that, although it's going to go out with the rest of the garage sale
stuff. You're fight, not as good as the magazines.

> 
>   Michael
> 
> 



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On Tue, 03 Jul 2018 22:05:38 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On 3 Jul 2018 19:45:30 GMT Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:18:52 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>> 
>> > For the car, I burn MP3 DATA CDs.  250 tracks per CD so the 28 CDs in
>> > the car is the only remaining clutter.
>> > Not really a problem.
>> 
>> These days, it's a single 64GB USB stick in the car!
> 
> 	Bluetooth from phone in the car - USB stick would probably be
> better but there's no socket for it, previous owner was good enough to
> install a Parrot though.

Can do Bluetooth too, but rarely bother. Bluetooth is good for the Bosch 
radio as an amplifier for the phone.



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Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> writes:

> On Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:18:52 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> For the car, I burn MP3 DATA CDs.  250 tracks per CD so the 28 CDs in
>> the car is the only remaining clutter.
>> Not really a problem.
>
> These days, it's a single 64GB USB stick in the car!

My FLAC files wouldn't fit, (130G), but I already have scripts to
create MP3 CDs.

My car is pretty old, no USB port that I'm aware of, just
IPOD and AUX.

-- 
Dan Espen

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:20:11 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
>> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.
>
> 	I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
> term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's saving
> grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.

I prefer an epaper based device such as a Kindle or Kobo. They are
lighter than a paperback, and I find them easier to read for a decent
length of time rather than a phone or a laptop (or a tablet for that matter).

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 07:41:47 -0500, Andy Leighton wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:20:11 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 3 Jul 2018 09:13:55 GMT Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I've tried phone & laptop. Hated both. I suppose I should try a tablet
>>> of some kind, but I'm not sufficiently bothered to spend the money.
>>
>> 	I used a tablet for a while, they tend to be too heavy for long
>> term comfort. Even a phone is heavier than a paperback. The phone's
>> saving grace is that it is in my pocket at all times.
> 
> I prefer an epaper based device such as a Kindle or Kobo. They are
> lighter than a paperback, and I find them easier to read for a decent
> length of time rather than a phone or a laptop (or a tablet for that
> matter).

Indeed. I dumped the Kindle when it became unbearable slow if half filled 
with books. The Kobo is much faster.

The really good thing, for me, is that epaper devices have superb battery 
life.



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