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On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:

> Please see this job opportunity:
> 
> Is written in job opportunity:
> 
> Position: Java Python Developer:
> https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90whgNpJY1rdv58yo1_1280.png
> 
> This post international is proof that no matter the place in the world,
> always will exist an HR department to invent new things. In this time,
> they invented a language called Java Python. I hope it pulls to Python,
> if not ...
> 
> Java and Python do exist, but does not exist Java Python, is written in
> job opportunity Position Java Python Developer.

	There does exist Jython which is probably what was meant.

	From http://www.jython.org/archive/21/docs/whatis.html:

	"Jython is an implementation of the high-level, dynamic,
object-oriented language Python seamlessly integrated with the Java
platform."

> The following job opportunity in Brazil requires experience in
> programming Batman:
> http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8hdthBpFZ1rdv58yo1_500.png
> 
> Developer Junior Batman? So it is Robin, Batman is Senior!

	Possibly this: http://batmanjs.org/

> Is it not very strange an HR department to require knowledge of
> technology that does not exist?

	Don't be too sure of that.

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On 2017-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
> ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is it not very strange an HR department to require knowledge of
>> technology that does not exist?
>
> 	Don't be too sure of that.

Is it time to bring out those stories of HR departments who wanted
programmers with five years of Windows 95 experience in 1997?

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On 28 Dec 2017 00:26:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2017-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
>> ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Is it not very strange an HR department to require knowledge of
>>> technology that does not exist?
>>
>> 	Don't be too sure of that.
>
>Is it time to bring out those stories of HR departments who wanted
>programmers with five years of Windows 95 experience in 1997?

     I was going to post similarly (for office positions), so I
suppose so.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On 2017-12-27, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST), ninjap...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>Please see this job opportunity:
>>
>>Is written in job opportunity:
>>
>>Position: Java Python Developer: https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90whgNpJY1rdv58yo1_1280.png
>
> It shows stupidity. I have been interviewed by HR people who claimed
> to be computer literate. It turned out they were functionally
> illiterate and also knew nothing about computers.
>
> I wisely withdrew my application. I have/had no desire to work for
> fools or morons.

You actually found someone in HR somewhere that was not? :)


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On 2017-12-28, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
>> ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Is it not very strange an HR department to require knowledge of
>>> technology that does not exist?
>>
>> 	Don't be too sure of that.
>
> Is it time to bring out those stories of HR departments who wanted
> programmers with five years of Windows 95 experience in 1997?
>


There is a large coincidence between HR and Marriage, here, hiring is
generally for six-months, then on to a sort of permanence. Its at the
end of the six-months or the honeymoon period that you meet the real
person.

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On 28 Dec 2017 00:26:21 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2017-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
> > ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Is it not very strange an HR department to require knowledge of
> >> technology that does not exist?
> >
> > 	Don't be too sure of that.
> 
> Is it time to bring out those stories of HR departments who wanted
> programmers with five years of Windows 95 experience in 1997?

	I meant don't be too sure the technology doesn't exist just because
it sounds like it shouldn't.

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On 2017-12-28, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 28 Dec 2017 00:26:21 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
>> > ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is it not very strange an HR department to require knowledge of
>> >> technology that does not exist?
>> >
>> > 	Don't be too sure of that.
>> 
>> Is it time to bring out those stories of HR departments who wanted
>> programmers with five years of Windows 95 experience in 1997?
>
> 	I meant don't be too sure the technology doesn't exist just because
> it sounds like it shouldn't.
>

Some of that stuff would have been out on test fro a while before..

<funny story> 
Dell was hiring furiously in Limerick. A relative of a friend ws due to
be released from a mental hospital in easy stages. had been 'in' for a
while. During the day, the Mental hosptal got a phone call, to see if
Mr. X had worked in the records department, and was told 'yes', so the
man got the job.
</funny story>


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On 28 Dec 2017 08:55:21 GMT, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:

>On 2017-12-27, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST), ninjap...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Please see this job opportunity:
>>>
>>>Is written in job opportunity:
>>>
>>>Position: Java Python Developer: https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90whgNpJY1rdv58yo1_1280.png
>>
>> It shows stupidity. I have been interviewed by HR people who claimed
>> to be computer literate. It turned out they were functionally
>> illiterate and also knew nothing about computers.
>>
>> I wisely withdrew my application. I have/had no desire to work for
>> fools or morons.
>
>You actually found someone in HR somewhere that was not? :)

Well, yes. Not often though.

JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 Dec 2017 08:55:21 GMT, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-12-27, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST), ninjap...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Please see this job opportunity:
>>>> 
>>>> Is written in job opportunity:
>>>> 
>>>> Position: Java Python Developer:
>>>> https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90whgNpJY1rdv58yo1_1280.png
>>> 
>>> It shows stupidity. I have been interviewed by HR people who claimed
>>> to be computer literate. It turned out they were functionally
>>> illiterate and also knew nothing about computers.
>>> 
>>> I wisely withdrew my application. I have/had no desire to work for
>>> fools or morons.
>> 
>> You actually found someone in HR somewhere that was not? :)
> 
> Well, yes. Not often though.
> 

We always told them to just forward all the applications to us, and a group
of us would rebiew them.

-- 
Pete

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:05:00 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<ste...@eircom.net> wrote:

[snip]

>	I meant don't be too sure the technology doesn't exist just because
>it sounds like it shouldn't.

     IIRC, someone posted here in afc years ago about a group of
employees including himself chuckling over someone's inclusion in his
resume of having worked with the C+ programming language.  An obvious
typo?  Apparently, C+ does (or did) exist.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 15:28:43 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:05:00 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
><ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>	I meant don't be too sure the technology doesn't exist just because
>>it sounds like it shouldn't.
>
>     IIRC, someone posted here in afc years ago about a group of
>employees including himself chuckling over someone's inclusion in his
>resume of having worked with the C+ programming language.  An obvious
>typo?  Apparently, C+ does (or did) exist.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Gene Wirchenko

Yup, and if I had known it I might have gotten a job in programming,
but I decided I liked repainting computers better.

My senior year we had a GKS, graphical kernal system, class. The
software had been ported from FORTRAN ( I forget the version) to C. We
had desktop ocmputers with Turbo C and Quick C on them. The support
number we had, and 800 one, called an office in Texas. The undrage
advisor said they claimed the software was written there... I pointed
out that Texans do not spell color as colour.

We could only do 2D on the screens. Zenith 386 with math coprocessor
and extension to ms-dos so we could use 40 meg and 80 meg hard drives,
but 3D could be simulated by using shading.

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 3:32:38 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote:

> It shows stupidity. I have been interviewed by HR people who claimed
> to be computer literate. It turned out they were functionally
> illiterate and also knew nothing about computers.

I think everyone here has had some bad experience dealing
with HR.


> I wisely withdrew my application. I have/had no desire to work for
> fools or morons.

Well, a bad HR department does not necessarily mean a bad I.T.
department.  (Although some I.T. departments are pretty screwed up, too.)

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 7:26:41 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Is it time to bring out those stories of HR departments who wanted
> programmers with five years of Windows 95 experience in 1997?

Yes, over the years, there were lots of examples of companies 
seeking people with _extensive_ experience on a brand-new product,
in the mainframe world as well.   It would not surprise me if there
was an ad appearing in 1966 seeking five years experience with
S/360.

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 2:34:37 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:

> We always told them to just forward all the applications to us, and a group
> of us would rebiew them.

Many companies still work that way to this day.

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 10:08:43 PM UTC-5, Dave Garrett wrote:

> Indeed. Some people still seem to be labo(u)ring under the delusion that 
> the primary responsibility of an HR department is staffing. No, they are 
> there to ensure that the company does not get sued. As one might 
> suspect, this mandate all too often leads to conflicts with hiring 
> managers who are tasked with ensuring that work gets done. 

While there is some "cover the corporate butt", that isn't the only
aspect.

In my personal opinion, overall organizations have been a lot more
hard-assed about their employees.  That is to say ... 40 years ago,
an HR department tended to be more service-oriented--to welcome and
orient a new employee to the company, explain benefits and policies
(especially special safety and security, if applicable), and be
available if any questions come up.

In contrast, today, HR departments sure seem to be more interested
in finding reasons to cite an employee for a rules violation and
punish or terminate him.  Leave time is to be used as sparingly as
possible, and sick time to be thoroughly documented.  For instance,
years ago, an employee out on extended sick leave could wait until
their return to bring in a doctor's note, now, an employee, despite
being unexpectedly hospitalized in intensive care, must somehow get
a complex form to HR immediately.

For whatever reason, 40 years ago it seemed many companies 
weren't too fussy about checking resumes or education--they were
more interested on how someone performed doing the job.  Today
it seems companies are very fussy in checking transcripts and
past employers most thoroughly just to get an application considered.
(HR people say people flat-out lie on their applications.)

<hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 10:08:43 PM UTC-5, Dave Garrett wrote:
> 
>> Indeed. Some people still seem to be labo(u)ring under the delusion that 
>> the primary responsibility of an HR department is staffing. No, they are 
>> there to ensure that the company does not get sued. As one might 
>> suspect, this mandate all too often leads to conflicts with hiring 
>> managers who are tasked with ensuring that work gets done. 
> 
> While there is some "cover the corporate butt", that isn't the only
> aspect.
> 
> In my personal opinion, overall organizations have been a lot more
> hard-assed about their employees.  That is to say ... 40 years ago,
> an HR department tended to be more service-oriented--to welcome and
> orient a new employee to the company, explain benefits and policies
> (especially special safety and security, if applicable), and be
> available if any questions come up.

Years ago hiring was the beginning of a long-term relationship. In my early
days few people stayed somewhere for life any more, but it was still likely
to be a few years, so the effort to orient the employee was worth it, on
both sides. What's the length of time someone stays at one company these
days? In an increasing number of cases the "employee" is a contractor and
doesn't even get any of the company benefits or have to know anything about
the organization except to keep his head down and code.

> 
> In contrast, today, HR departments sure seem to be more interested
> in finding reasons to cite an employee for a rules violation and
> punish or terminate him.  Leave time is to be used as sparingly as
> possible, and sick time to be thoroughly documented.  For instance,
> years ago, an employee out on extended sick leave could wait until
> their return to bring in a doctor's note, now, an employee, despite
> being unexpectedly hospitalized in intensive care, must somehow get
> a complex form to HR immediately.
> 
> For whatever reason, 40 years ago it seemed many companies 
> weren't too fussy about checking resumes or education--they were
> more interested on how someone performed doing the job.  Today
> it seems companies are very fussy in checking transcripts and
> past employers most thoroughly just to get an application considered.
> (HR people say people flat-out lie on their applications.)
> 


-- 
Pete

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:44:40 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 15:28:43 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 13:05:00 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>><ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>	I meant don't be too sure the technology doesn't exist just because
>>>it sounds like it shouldn't.
>>
>>     IIRC, someone posted here in afc years ago about a group of
>>employees including himself chuckling over someone's inclusion in his
>>resume of having worked with the C+ programming language.  An obvious
>>typo?  Apparently, C+ does (or did) exist.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Gene Wirchenko
>
>Yup, and if I had known it I might have gotten a job in programming,
>but I decided I liked repainting computers better.

Repairing them.. there were a few I wanted to repaint, by sledgehammer
use.

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 14:13:03 -0800 (PST), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 3:32:38 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote:
>
>> It shows stupidity. I have been interviewed by HR people who claimed
>> to be computer literate. It turned out they were functionally
>> illiterate and also knew nothing about computers.
>
>I think everyone here has had some bad experience dealing
>with HR.
>
>
>> I wisely withdrew my application. I have/had no desire to work for
>> fools or morons.
>
>Well, a bad HR department does not necessarily mean a bad I.T.
>department.  (Although some I.T. departments are pretty screwed up, too.)

The computer illiterate told me I couldn't be a good computer repair
guy so they were going to pass on my application. I responded by
asking him, 'How would you know ? You have misused computer terms
throughout this interview.". I then suggested he get a computer
dictionary and read it before his boss found out he wasn't the
computer expert he pretended to be.

My siblings suggested to me thats why I don't get hired. I suggested I
didn't want to work for stupid people.

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 14:34:26 -0800 (PST), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 10:08:43 PM UTC-5, Dave Garrett wrote:
>
>> Indeed. Some people still seem to be labo(u)ring under the delusion that 
>> the primary responsibility of an HR department is staffing. No, they are 
>> there to ensure that the company does not get sued. As one might 
>> suspect, this mandate all too often leads to conflicts with hiring 
>> managers who are tasked with ensuring that work gets done. 
>
>While there is some "cover the corporate butt", that isn't the only
>aspect.
>
>In my personal opinion, overall organizations have been a lot more
>hard-assed about their employees.  That is to say ... 40 years ago,
>an HR department tended to be more service-oriented--to welcome and
>orient a new employee to the company, explain benefits and policies
>(especially special safety and security, if applicable), and be
>available if any questions come up.
>
>In contrast, today, HR departments sure seem to be more interested
>in finding reasons to cite an employee for a rules violation and
>punish or terminate him.  Leave time is to be used as sparingly as
>possible, and sick time to be thoroughly documented.  For instance,
>years ago, an employee out on extended sick leave could wait until
>their return to bring in a doctor's note, now, an employee, despite
>being unexpectedly hospitalized in intensive care, must somehow get
>a complex form to HR immediately.
>
>For whatever reason, 40 years ago it seemed many companies 
>weren't too fussy about checking resumes or education--they were
>more interested on how someone performed doing the job.  Today
>it seems companies are very fussy in checking transcripts and
>past employers most thoroughly just to get an application considered.
>(HR people say people flat-out lie on their applications.)
>

I've been lied to by HR people... so I think it evens out.

In article <tidf4d1jdhrn9mhf8...@4ax.com>, solosam90
@gmail.com says...
> 
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:44:40 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Yup, and if I had known it I might have gotten a job in programming,
> >but I decided I liked repainting computers better.
> 
> Repairing them.. there were a few I wanted to repaint, by sledgehammer
> use.

That's certainly one of the more extreme forms of percussive 
maintenance.

-- 
Dave

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:22:01 -0600, Dave Garrett <da...@compassnet.com>
wrote:

>In article <tidf4d1jdhrn9mhf8...@4ax.com>, solosam90
>@gmail.com says...
>> 
>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:44:40 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Yup, and if I had known it I might have gotten a job in programming,
>> >but I decided I liked repainting computers better.
>> 
>> Repairing them.. there were a few I wanted to repaint, by sledgehammer
>> use.
>
>That's certainly one of the more extreme forms of percussive 
>maintenance.

Those particular computers deserved the very best discombobulation I
could give them. I got to glare at them instead. My boss liked the
idea of the sledgehammer, but decided we would just get rid of it
instead.

On Wed, 2017-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
> ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Please see this job opportunity:
>> 
>> Is written in job opportunity:
>> 
>> Position: Java Python Developer:
>> https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90whgNpJY1rdv58yo1_1280.png
>> 
>> This post international is proof that no matter the place in the world,
>> always will exist an HR department to invent new things. In this time,
>> they invented a language called Java Python. I hope it pulls to Python,
>> if not ...
>> 
>> Java and Python do exist, but does not exist Java Python, is written in
>> job opportunity Position Java Python Developer.
>
> 	There does exist Jython which is probably what was meant.
>
> 	From http://www.jython.org/archive/21/docs/whatis.html:
>
> 	"Jython is an implementation of the high-level, dynamic,
> object-oriented language Python seamlessly integrated with the Java
> platform."

Which means, I suspect, that you're supposed to use part of the Java
class library or various third-party frameworks from that ecosystem.
It might be rather different from normal Python programming, so they'd
have a good reason to point it out.  (Calling it "Java Python" is not
the best way of doing it, though.)

I've never tried it, but I've used another JVM language: "Groovy".
My lack of Java experience (and lack of interest in the Java universe)
was a real problem there.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

On 31 Dec 2017 15:30:44 GMT
Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote:

> On Wed, 2017-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:19:23 -0800 (PST)
> > ninjap...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Please see this job opportunity:
> >> 
> >> Is written in job opportunity:
> >> 
> >> Position: Java Python Developer:
> >> https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90whgNpJY1rdv58yo1_1280.png
> >> 
> >> This post international is proof that no matter the place in the world,
> >> always will exist an HR department to invent new things. In this time,
> >> they invented a language called Java Python. I hope it pulls to Python,
> >> if not ...
> >> 
> >> Java and Python do exist, but does not exist Java Python, is written in
> >> job opportunity Position Java Python Developer.
> >
> > 	There does exist Jython which is probably what was meant.
> >
> > 	From http://www.jython.org/archive/21/docs/whatis.html:
> >
> > 	"Jython is an implementation of the high-level, dynamic,
> > object-oriented language Python seamlessly integrated with the Java
> > platform."
> 
> Which means, I suspect, that you're supposed to use part of the Java
> class library or various third-party frameworks from that ecosystem.

	I believe the thing is that you can easily call from one to the
other and that Jython exposes Beans so it sits well with the Enterprise
Java frameworks that build on top of Beans.

> It might be rather different from normal Python programming, so they'd
> have a good reason to point it out.  (Calling it "Java Python" is not
> the best way of doing it, though.)

	Oh for sure - I can almost hear the conversation:

Mangler: "We need a Jython programmer"
HR Bod: "A Python programmer"
Mangler: "No Jython - it's Python for the Java runtime environment"
HR Bod: "Run that by me again"
... twenty minutes of back and forth later
HR Bod: "Oh right so we could say Java Python ?"
Mangler: "That will do I suppose, just get me some folks to interview"

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C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

>IME, HR departments are staffed by 22 y/o female sociology or psychology
>graduates who know fuck all about fuck all. I'd fire them all, have
>one person who knows employment law and tell the line managers to get
>on with it.

It's a ruse for the hiring manager to get desired person.
This is frequent in the US due to equal oppertunity laws
and may be something like that in other countries or just
the company policy.

-- 
  O wad some Power the giftie gie us
  To see oursels as ithers see us!
  It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
  An' foolish notion:

maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:

><funny story> 
>Dell was hiring furiously in Limerick. A relative of a friend ws due to
>be released from a mental hospital in easy stages. had been 'in' for a
>while. During the day, the Mental hosptal got a phone call, to see if
>Mr. X had worked in the records department, and was told 'yes', so the
>man got the job.
></funny story>

Watt?

No limerick?

-- 
  O wad some Power the giftie gie us
  To see oursels as ithers see us!
  It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
  An' foolish notion:

On 2018-02-13, J  Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13 Feb 2018 05:25:14 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-12, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you kidding?  They would have to know enough to talk to the
>>>> experts who do the work.  Chemistry and physics in the real
>>>> world have rules, no matter how the software is written.
>>>> If the software messes up just a little bit w.r.t. the
>>>> chemistry of cement, the entire batch has to be dumped.
>>
>> Sort of like Windows: re-boot, re-format, re-install.
>> And people accept it.
>
> And we have another one who hasn't used Windows in 20 years.

I wish.

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On 13 Feb 2018 18:24:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2018-02-13, J  Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13 Feb 2018 05:25:14 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-02-12, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you kidding?  They would have to know enough to talk to the
>>>>> experts who do the work.  Chemistry and physics in the real
>>>>> world have rules, no matter how the software is written.
>>>>> If the software messes up just a little bit w.r.t. the
>>>>> chemistry of cement, the entire batch has to be dumped.
>>>
>>> Sort of like Windows: re-boot, re-format, re-install.
>>> And people accept it.
>>
>> And we have another one who hasn't used Windows in 20 years.
>
>I wish.

If "reboot, reformat, reinstall" is part of your regular Windows
experience you really don't have much recent Windows experience.

On 2/13/2018 6:38 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2018 18:24:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-02-13, J  Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13 Feb 2018 05:25:14 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-02-12, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you kidding?  They would have to know enough to talk to the
>>>>>> experts who do the work.  Chemistry and physics in the real
>>>>>> world have rules, no matter how the software is written.
>>>>>> If the software messes up just a little bit w.r.t. the
>>>>>> chemistry of cement, the entire batch has to be dumped.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of like Windows: re-boot, re-format, re-install.
>>>> And people accept it.
>>>
>>> And we have another one who hasn't used Windows in 20 years.
>>
>> I wish.
> 
> If "reboot, reformat, reinstall" is part of your regular Windows
> experience you really don't have much recent Windows experience.
> 
Yes it is and yes I do.

On 2018-02-14, J  Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13 Feb 2018 18:24:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-13, J  Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13 Feb 2018 05:25:14 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-02-12, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you kidding?  They would have to know enough to talk to the
>>>>>> experts who do the work.  Chemistry and physics in the real
>>>>>> world have rules, no matter how the software is written.
>>>>>> If the software messes up just a little bit w.r.t. the
>>>>>> chemistry of cement, the entire batch has to be dumped.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of like Windows: re-boot, re-format, re-install.
>>>> And people accept it.
>>>
>>> And we have another one who hasn't used Windows in 20 years.
>>
>> I wish.
>
> If "reboot, reformat, reinstall" is part of your regular Windows
> experience you really don't have much recent Windows experience.

OK, I admit that they have improved that part somewhat.  After all,
downtime interferes with surveillance.

On the other hand, newer versions of Windows have come up with
enough new ways to piss me off that I'm content to stay with XP
during the times I'm forced to use Windows.

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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:

> On my Linux box I clicked "Add Printer", answered a couple of
> questions and it works just fine.

Good if it works. My Linux laptop often decides I have two printers when
I plug the printer in. I usually just try to print on both, one's real,
the other is some kind of ghost. Sometimes it seems they are both real
and I get two copies... Not a big deal since I print rarely these days.