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3 total messages Started by DLV Sun, 23 Sep 1990 17:04
Re: Russian word lists?
#4616
Author: DLV
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 1990 17:04
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Graham Toal asked:

>Dmitri - do either you or our new Soviet friends have a Russian word list
>I could have?  I'm internationalizing (I know, everyone hates the word) my
>Scrabble game.  I have physical Scrabble sets for several languages
>including
>Russian, so I know how the display should be done; but no foreign word
>lists.

I too have a physical Russian Scrabble somewhere in the closet. I don't play
computer games much, so I'm not quite sure what the wordlist would be for.
If it's supposed to act as a spellchecker sort of thing (i.e., if the word
is not in the list, then it can't used in Scrabble), then the following
isn't quite appropriate.

There's a computer-readable copy of Zalizniak's "Grammaticheskij Slovar'
Russkogo Yazyka" floating around. It contains about 100,000 Russian words in
"normal form" with indications how each is inflected. It can be obtained
from someone in Utah, or a much-corrected version can be obtained from U of
Helsinki. It's *not* in the public domain, i.e., you're expected to pay for
it.

Zalizniak's word list seems to be the basis of all the Russian spellcheckers
that I've seen so far (not that I've seen many:)... The problem with it is
that there are many perfectly good Russian words that aren't in it---more
technical terms, dimunitives, you name it. For comparison, Elsevier's new
russian-english dictionary has 250,000 Russian words. So I don't think it's
quite fit for verifying words for Scrabble, where people tend to invent all
sorts of weirdness... Moreover, should Scrabble accept inflected forms
(i.e., plurals, past tenses, et al).

I very much doubt that another Russian wordlist exists out there, else I
probably would have heard of it. :)

Dimitri Vulis
CUNY GC Math

P.S. Two people have indicated that my request for funny, incorrect
hyphenations was inappropriate for this newsgroup (one of them calling me
asshole, in fact). Sorry, I should have been more precise: I was interested
in inappropriate hyphenations actually generated by computer programs that
hyphenate text (a subject dear to my heart). I work with computerized text
processing a lot, and I *thought* this is a good topic for a.f.c. (e.g., the
TeXbook quotes a legend about an RCA 301 that would hyphenate "God"), but if
a lot of people feel otherwise, I apologize & withdraw the request. :) :) :)

D
Flaming and pillaging (was: Re: Russian word lists?)
#4617
Author: pet... Peter Deutsch
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 1990 20:35
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In article <900923165...@lilac.berkeley.edu>, DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET writes:
.  .  .
> P.S. Two people have indicated that my request for funny, incorrect
> hyphenations was inappropriate for this newsgroup (one of them calling me
> asshole, in fact). Sorry, I should have been more precise: I was interested
> in inappropriate hyphenations actually generated by computer programs that
> hyphenate text (a subject dear to my heart). I work with computerized text
> processing a lot, and I *thought* this is a good topic for a.f.c. (e.g., the
> TeXbook quotes a legend about an RCA 301 that would hyphenate "God"), but if
> a lot of people feel otherwise, I apologize & withdraw the request. :) :) :)

My two cents to follow: If someone told me in such rude
terms my postings were inappropriate, I'd cp to /dev/null.

Jeus H Christ, folks. Lighten up! I promise to personally
NOT make one posting on messages_inside_machines/Old_Vaxen
/Power_Cycling_a_NeXT/etc to allow this request to be
posted without further hassle.  If I had any, I would also
personally post a hyphenating story. I don't so at least
one other person can answer this guy with getting flamed.

I find it amazing that someone can try to criticise
posting in a ALT!!!.FOLKLORE!!!! group. Some people just
need to get a life. On behalf of all netters who _don't_
feel that your postng was inappropriate, I apologize.


			- peterd



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Re: Flaming and pillaging (was: Re: Russian word lists?)
#4618
Author: bou... Tom Boutell
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 1990 01:14
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You're absolutely right; the poor bastard had a perfect right to ask for
silly hyphenation stories, and silly hyphenation stories he'll get.

I have one, although it's not strictly a hyphenation story; actually,
it's a word wrap story. In the early days of the TRS-80 Model I (long
may it be remembered, for those not still RUNNING one- no, I haven't
been around QUITE that long, I started with a III) there was a word
processor called Electric Pencil, and it was good, 'cuz there
wasn't nuttin' much else. But Electric Pencil's word wrap algorithm,
while perfectly proficient if the line *contained* a space, didn't work
so well if the line was, say, eighty hyphens (just to make this a hyphen-
ation story (-: ). (Did I just type a meta- hyphen?)

When such a line was entered, the word wrap routine would seek for a space,
fail to find it, and proceed to move the line downward... forever and
ever... or rather until it ran out of RAM. (Boom.)

I reinvented this error when writing my *own* word wrap routine for
the editor of my BBS software, many years ago. (Sigh, the good old days...)

-- 
What do you want from the fish of the fish that you fished when you fished
for the fish that you fished? How many numchuks could Chuck chuck if Chuck
could chuck numchuks? bou...@freezer.it.udel.edu? Or 27.598234821? Or not?
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