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In article <9...@helens.Stanford.EDU>, j...@hanauma.Stanford.EDU (Joe Dellinger) writes:
>	While cleaning up some disks, we discovered this file that has
>the oldest modification date on our system:
> 1 hanauma> ls -la .info
>-rw-r--r--  1 toldi          36 Jul 28  1978 .info
> 2 hanauma> cat .info
>another one of those damn Canadians

  That's pretty old all right. What was the creation date on the file, or
does Unix not preserve that?

>	Somebody replaced someone else's (a Canadian student's) .plan with
>this file as a joke; when it was discovered it wasn't deleted but instead
>was moved to .info.

  That explains the content...

>Somehow this file has managed to survive over all the intervening 12 years,
>while being transferred from a PDP-11 to a VAX to a Convex C-1!

  That's quite a trip! Maybe you should get the file bronzed, :)  

>	I'm curious: is this an unusually old file to still have on the
>system? Do you have an older one? Does anybody have a file that dates
>unchanged back into the 60's, for example, that has been on active file
>systems the entire time?

  Not on this system, but there is a rather old account on another system,
the CIRCA cluster. Lemme spawn out and see if I can find the directory...

--------
  Zik-Zak> tell maple
  MAPLE> set def disk$user:[binary.agaroth]
  MAPLE> dir/date=(created,modified)

  Directory DISK$USER:[BINARY.AGAROTH]

  C.COM;1               8-JUN-1983 09:36:09.00   8-JUN-1983 09:36:10.00
  CHESS.EXE;1          29-JUN-1979 11:58:41.00   6-AUG-1980 11:58:41.00
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^
  GHOST.COM;1          25-MAY-1983 13:46:53.00  25-MAY-1983 13:46:53.00
  HOLD.COM;1           22-JUN-1983 13:54:55.00  22-JUN-1983 13:54:55.00
  KEEPOFF.COM;1        23-JUN-1983 13:15:22.00  23-JUN-1983 13:15:22.00
  LITE.COM;1           15-OCT-1982 16:04:39.87  15-OCT-1982 16:04:41.50
  LOGIN.COM;1          13-JUL-1983 14:07:28.46  13-JUL-1983 14:07:29.33
  MULTI.COM;1          23-JAN-1983 22:19:14.81  23-JAN-1983 22:19:18.53
  PROC.COM;1           25-MAY-1983 14:36:43.00  25-MAY-1983 14:36:46.00
  TIME.COM;1           26-MAY-1983 14:58:52.00  26-MAY-1983 14:58:52.00
  X.COM;1              26-MAY-1983 15:00:00.00  26-MAY-1983 15:00:01.00
  ZBOX.PAS;1            2-AUG-1983 11:27:33.33   2-AUG-1983 11:27:37.07

  Total of 12 files.
  MAPLE> quit
  Zik-Zak> lo
--------

  The cluster is four different VAX machines now, but two of them (11/780's)
were running seperately years ago, I think starting in 1984 or 1983. Before
that, the account was probably residing on some other machine, I have no idea
what. Obviously not one with 1/100th second time stamping.
  I'm sure the dates are genuine because I talked to the user once and he 
asked questions about what had happened. He hadn't been logged in since 1985
or so!!

>	The official rules:

  I was never one much for rules.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     CARL%NUCE...@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU  -  "Here, have a scooby snack."
     VANQUISH EVIL! QUESTION AUTHORITY! ROCK FOR LIGHT! LEGALIZE FREEDOM!
*DISCLAIMER* - My messages have NOTHING to do with the UF and/or the Nuclear
               Engineering Department. And vice versa.

This is pretty close... the EXE file would be older if I hadn't patched 
it to get into GDT.  I wonder why the DAT files had expiration dates
on them?  They clearly didn't expire...

	$ d/dat=(cre,exp)/bef=1-jan-1985

	Directory USER$DISK2:[PJS.CAM.BCPL.MISC.DUNGEON]

	DINDX.DAT;1           7-DEC-1978 15:20  29-SEP-1983 19:26
	DTEXT.DAT;1           7-DEC-1978 15:21  29-SEP-1983 19:27
	DUNGEON.EXE;1         6-MAR-1984 15:58   <None specified>
	DUNGEON.JNL;1         6-MAR-1984 16:01   <None specified>

	Total of 4 files.

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On Data General AOS/VS systems, you will see that the root
dates from 1967.  Do this:

) f/s/as : <NL>

This may not be so on AOS/VS-II systems.

Another fun fact about AOS/VS systems is this:  guess what
happens when you type "xyzzy"?  No joke--it's written
into the system.

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In article <1990Sep11.2...@dg-rtp.dg.com> dur...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Lindsey Durway) writes:
>On Data General AOS/VS systems, you will see that the root
>dates from 1967.  Do this:
>
>Another fun fact about AOS/VS systems is this:  guess what
>happens when you type "xyzzy"?  No joke--it's written
>into the system.
>


Tops-10 use to have a lot of those. I don't remember very many of them 
but they included "make love", "goto hell" and so forth...
 
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Our VM/SP system is older than our Unix stuff:  Here are the last few files on
a system disk: 

   BOXOFF   SCRIPT   W2 V          8          6          1 10/25/74 14:29:00 
   BOXON    SCRIPT   W2 V          8          6          1 10/25/74 14:29:00 
   GPSSLIB  TXTLIB   Y2 F         80       3846         76  9/18/73 11:33:00 
   LINEOUT  MODULE   W2 V        408          3          1  6/08/73  8:26:00

LINEOUT is an IBM assembler program, by the way, so our oldest program is an
executable. But I don't know what it does!


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.dir du0:basic
 12-Sep-90
BASIC .SAV    56P 16-Aug-77
 1 Files, 56 Blocks
 362 Free blocks

This is on a PDP-11, running S&H TSX-Plus.  TSX is a multi-user
emulation of RT-11.  The file noted is DEC's BASIC-11 interpreter.  It's
been online and in occasional use since the date listed, which I have
every reason to believe is correct.
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In article <9...@helens.Stanford.EDU> j...@hanauma.Stanford.EDU (Joe Dellinger) writes:
>
>	I'm curious: is this an unusually old file to still have on the
>system? Do you have an older one? Does anybody have a file that dates
>unchanged back into the 60's, for example, that has been on active file
>systems the entire time?
>
>	The official rules:
>
>1) The file must have continuously resided on active disks from the
>stated date until the present. (Disregarding occasional power failures,
>system upgrades, disk repartitionings, and the like.)
>
>2) The file must not have been edited or modified in any way since the stated
>date.
>
>3) The date must be legitimate.
>
>	There are two categories:
>
>Oldest file fitting the rules.
>
>Oldest file created and continuously living under UNIX fitting the rules.

Here's one from the last TOPS-10 system I have access to;  one system I
used to work on had some stuff which was linked in the late 60s and unchanged,
but since those machines belong to the US Govt. and I no longer work for
the contractor which helped maintain them I no longer have any access to
the systems to check.  So here 'tis:

.dir sys:inuse.exe
[16:38:34]


INUSE   EXE    12  <155>   29-Jul-71    (1)     DSKB:   [1,4]

.r inuse
[16:38:37]









        IIIII  N   N            U   U   SSS   EEEEE
          I    NN  N            U   U  S   S  E
          I    NN  N            U   U  S      E
          I    N N N            U   U   SSS   EEEE
          I    N  NN            U   U      S  E
          I    N  NN            U   U  S   S  E
        IIIII  N   N             UUU    SSS   EEEEE








        BY JOB 20 [1,2] 16:38:37.383    12-SEP-90



.

Cheers.


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In article <1990Sep11.2...@dg-rtp.dg.com> dur...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Lindsey Durway) writes:
>On Data General AOS/VS systems, you will see that the root
>dates from 1967.  Do this:
>
>) f/s/as : <NL>
>
>This may not be so on AOS/VS-II systems.
>
>Another fun fact about AOS/VS systems is this:  guess what
>happens when you type "xyzzy"?  No joke--it's written
>into the system.
>
>--
>Lindsey Durway
>dur...@dg-rtp.dg.com  -or-  ...!mcnc!rti!xyzzy!durway
>Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC; (919) 248-6166.

So, what happens? Does it tell you that you're back in the little building?
On a similiar note, I used a machine about 8 years ago that I eventually
got a copy of the vedit-86 editor for. Unfortunately, I had no doco. I was
eventually able to reconstruct enough usable doco from several days of
playing around with key sequences. The editor switched between an insert and
a command (:) mode, kind of like VI. Most of the command sequences were 2
letter, and most of those started with "e". So I was trying ea, eb, ec, ed,etc.
When I got to "et", it responded with "phone home".

gr...@cimage.com

In article <1990Sep14....@cimage.com> gr...@cimage.com (Greg
Cronau/1000000) writes:

| In article <1990Sep11.2...@dg-rtp.dg.com> dur...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Lindsey Durway) writes:
| >On Data General AOS/VS systems, you will see that the root
| >dates from 1967.  Do this:
| >
| >) f/s/as : <NL>
| >
| >This may not be so on AOS/VS-II systems.
| >
| >Another fun fact about AOS/VS systems is this:  guess what
| >happens when you type "xyzzy"?  No joke--it's written
| >into the system.
| 
| So, what happens? Does it tell you that you're back in the little building?

It says 'nothing happens' normally.  However, unlike any other CLI
command, it first searches to see if xyzzy.cli is in your searchlist,
and if so, it executes that rather than doing the builtin processing.
Normally in the CLI, you could not override builtin commands except by
patching the binary to rename the command.  Somebody on one of the
internal AOS/VS development machines made a xyzzy.cli macro that would
use one of the 10 CLI variables, and produce different messages each
time it was invoked.  One of the messages was that a little dwarf
throughs an STR (software trouble report) at you, but I may be
mis-remembering it.
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In article <4365@bwdls58.UUCP>, h...@bwdlh490.bnr.ca (Henry Troup) writes:
> Our VM/SP system is older than our Unix stuff:  Here are the last few files on
> a system disk: 
> 
>    BOXOFF   SCRIPT   W2 V          8          6          1 10/25/74 14:29:00 
>    BOXON    SCRIPT   W2 V          8          6          1 10/25/74 14:29:00 
>    GPSSLIB  TXTLIB   Y2 F         80       3846         76  9/18/73 11:33:00 
>    LINEOUT  MODULE   W2 V        408          3          1  6/08/73  8:26:00

I can't claim to have been on-line on a multiuser system
before 1982, although I have old cassette tapes for my
TRS-80 model I dating back to about 1979, but I mentioned
this thread to the director ofthe McGill Computing Centre
(alan Greenberg) and he claims to beat this.  He looked
into his MUSIC account (McGill University System for
Interactive Computing, an O/S that apparently grew out of
RACS, which McGill called RAX...) and found a file dated
1976. This was a bogus date, of course because their
machine didn't even keep a date stamp before then, so he
looked into his paper copy of his archive from 1972 and
found the same file, dated summer, 1967. It's apparently a
graphics logo and a scrap of code to print it out on a
line printer.  Sorry, I can't provide the time-stamp, but
I _have_ seen the archive listing claiming the file was
created in 1967 and Alan has had it on-line continuously
since he created it.

BTW, I just got mail from him and he has apparently done a
back-of-the-envelope calculation, which says that that
file has apparently gone around on the disk(s) at least 40
_billion_ times! (So is this a new metric? Can we measure
our lives in number of rotations?)

> LINEOUT is an IBM assembler program, by the way, so our oldest program is an
> executable. But I don't know what it does!

As I said, Alan's file is also executable, although I
gather it actually contains a scrap of JCL. And we can
even claim to know what it does (well, can anyone _ever_
claim to fully understand JCL? :-)


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> a command (:) mode, kind of like VI. Most of the command sequences were 2
> letter, and most of those started with "e". So I was trying ea, eb, ec, ed,etc.
> When I got to "et", it responded with "phone home".
> 
> gr...@cimage.com


  I learned TECO on a PDP-11 running RSTS, long ago. TECO has a command
MAKE. On this version of TECO (maybe others, I dunno) if you entered the
MAKE command, with LOVE as the file name, it would respond with "Not War?"
and then proceed normally.

In article <22...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca>, pet...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
> In article <4365@bwdls58.UUCP>, h...@bwdlh490.bnr.ca (Henry Troup) writes:
> 
> I can't claim to have been on-line on a multiuser system
> before 1982, although I have old cassette tapes for my
> TRS-80 model I dating back to about 1979

I've got diagnostics for my PDP-8/e on paper tape that are dated 1966.
So there. Ptttthhhhh!

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In article <4096@mwk.uucp>, gleason@mwk.uucp (Lee K. Gleason, Control-G Consultants) writes:
>   I learned TECO on a PDP-11 running RSTS, long ago. TECO has a command
> MAKE. On this version of TECO (maybe others, I dunno) if you entered the
> MAKE command, with LOVE as the file name, it would respond with "Not War?"
> and then proceed normally.

  Still does. Here goes:

RSTS V10.0-L SPC11B.SPC.EDU Job 7 [1,254] <LAT+Local> KB10: 18-Sep-90 06:11 PM

Last interactive login on Tuesday, 18-Sep-90 06:10 PM at KB10:
Last non-interactive login on Monday, 17-Sep-90 10:13 PM

SPC11B::$ make love
Not war?
*ex$$
SPC11B::$ mung
?How can I MUNG nothing?
SPC11B::$ bye
Saved all disk files on SY: 11920 blocks in use
Job 7 User 1,254 logged off KB10: at 18-Sep-90 06:12 PM
System RSTS V10.0-L SPC11B.SPC.EDU
Run time was 28.1 seconds
Elapsed time was 2 minutes
Good evening

  Note that RSTS/E V10 isn't shipping to the masses yet - I just happen to
have a copy 8-).

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In article <34...@cc.usu.edu> SL...@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) writes:
>I've got diagnostics for my PDP-8/e on paper tape that are dated 1966.
>So there. Ptttthhhhh!

The diagnostics for my PDP-4 are dated 1962.  So there, too!

	---Bob.

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