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Adrian Thompson (He...@there.com) wrote:
: Hi.
: Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
: shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
: I realised I have no idea!

I suppose, but don't treat as gospel, that since cut is ctrl-x - analogous
to the 'del char' in vi and the shape of 'x' looks like crossing something
out and copy is ctrl-c - well, the first letter of copy is 'c', the next
key combination is, well, ctrl-v. Makes a happy little block of keys.

C

: Thanks,


: Adrian Thompson
: Laisterdyke GM Middle School
: IT Technician

: http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
: http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:22:43 -0000, He...@there.com (Adrian Thompson)
wrote:

>Hi.
>Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
>shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
>I realised I have no idea!

Other posters have pointed out that it's geographically related to
Ctrl-X and Ctrl-C, but they've missed that Windows (and the Mac, yeah,
yeah) use Ctrl-X for 'cut' because it's the ASCII 'CAN' (cancel)
character, and has been used for discarding a line of typed input for
about as long as CR (Ctrl-M, carriage return) has been used to terminate
a line of typed input.  (ie, only about twenty years actually)

>Adrian Thompson
>Laisterdyke GM Middle School
>IT Technician

I bet I'm the only geezer here who knows that Laisterdyke is an early
19th century corruption of Lister Dyke...
-- 
David Spencer
Logica BT OMC Team, Martlesham MLB-2
These are personal opinions, not shared by Logica or BT.

On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:22:43 -0000, Adrian Thompson <He...@there.com> wrote:
>Hi.
>Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
>shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
>I realised I have no idea!

x=cut
c=copy
v=next key on keyboard

Hi there!

TheCentralSc...@pobox.com wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:22:43 -0000, Adrian Thompson <He...@there.com> wrote:
>>Hi.
>>Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>>shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
>>I realised I have no idea!
>
>x=cut
>c=copy
>v=next key on keyboard

        Actually, it comes from Command-X, Command-C, and Command-V on the
Macintosh.

        "So, Mr. Science, how were THEY picked?"

        From the class I went to pre-1984 (December 1983, AAMOF), it went
like this:

        "X looks like a pair of scissors, so we CUT with X.  V looks like
the tip of a paste brush from the side, so we PASTE with V.  C is stuck in
the middle, and serves as a mnemonic for 'COPY', so we use C for Copy."

        Sometime I'll dig out my ancient "Inside Macintosh" where they
discuss this.

        RwP

He...@there.com (Adrian Thompson) wrote, in part:

>Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
>shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
>I realised I have no idea!

1) X looks like a pair of scissors, so it's a good choice for "Cut".
   The word "Copy" starts with a C.
   Cut, Copy, and Paste are related functions, and X, C, and V are
found next to one another on a typewriter keyboard.

2) The IBM PC keyboard has an "Insert" key, so there's no need to keep
^V for that function (what it did with the original WordStar).

John Savard
http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html

Mnemonicaly, I've always seen Ctrl-V as standing for "V"iew, i.e.
see what's in the clipboard.

What did does use, all those ctrl-insert variants?  What about for copy?

--
Kirk Israel - kis...@cs.tufts.edu - http://www.alienbill.com
Today is the first day of the rest of your short,brutish existence as a 
sentient creature before being snuffed out into utter nothingness for all
eternity.-Matt Groening

Kirk Is <kis...@allegro.cs.tufts.edu> wrote:

> What did does use, all those ctrl-insert variants?  What about for copy?

I assume you mean DOS?  If so, it doesn't have any notion of a
clipboard, so the keys for copying and pasting can be whatever
any programmer decides is a good key to use.

There is a minimal (and crummy) interface for copying portions
of the previously typed line into the current one, which I think
goes like this:

   F1     copy one character from previous line
   F2 c   copy up to the next instance of the character "c" in the
          previous line
   F3     copy the entire previous line
   F4 c   ignore (that is, delete) up through the next instance
          of the character "c" in the previous line
   F5     make the current line into the "previous line" and
          start over

It's sort of like the "alter" command from SOS, which Microsoft copied
forward into Extended BASIC and EDIT-80, but with even fewer features
and worse feedback.

eric

Kirk Is wrote:

> Mnemonicaly, I've always seen Ctrl-V as standing for "V"iew, i.e.
> see what's in the clipboard.
>
> What did does use, all those ctrl-insert variants?  What about for copy?

What did does use?  What does did use?

On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:44:53 -0500, "J. Benz" <be...@danet.com> wrote:

>
>
>John Birch wrote:
>
>> I still can't work out why you can't highlight a section of something
>> and just press delete and insert to paste but have to use control key
>> as well.
>> ;-)
>
>Because those keys have another action associated with them.   Try them in M$
>Wierd sometime.  'Insert' toggles between the behavior where new text pushes
>old text to its right as new text is entered, and the behavior where new text
>overwrites the old text that is there.  'Delete' works similarly to the
>backspace, but as, well, errr... forward space - it deletes the character
>under the cursor and 'pulls' the rest of the line to the left.
>
>But from the smiley, I'll bet you already knew that?
>
Yep, but I still find myself toggling between overstrike and insert
mode by accident!

BTW have you heard them called emoticons? :-)


regards John B.

Eric Fischer (er...@fudge.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: Kirk Is <kis...@allegro.cs.tufts.edu> wrote:

: > What did does use, all those ctrl-insert variants?  What about for copy?

: I assume you mean DOS?  If so, it doesn't have any notion of a
: clipboard, so the keys for copying and pasting can be whatever
: any programmer decides is a good key to use.

: There is a minimal (and crummy) interface for copying portions
: of the previously typed line into the current one, which I think
: goes like this:

[snip]

: It's sort of like the "alter" command from SOS, which Microsoft copied
: forward into Extended BASIC and EDIT-80, but with even fewer features
: and worse feedback.

Thank heavens for Doskey /insert


--
Kirk Israel - kis...@cs.tufts.edu - http://www.alienbill.com
"Every man should be lucky"
        --E.B.White, when asked to account for his literary success

In article <MPG.10fea95f4...@172.16.1.5>,
(Adrian Thompson) wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
> I realised I have no idea!

I tell my pupils that, of course, Ctrl-C is for COPY (although in Norwegian
it's Kopi). That the 'X' in Ctrl-X is like a scissor, and the 'V' in Ctrl-V
is an arrow (pointing down).

That's like the old flow-control commands (XON/XOFF) where:
Ctrl-S was 'Stop' and Ctrl-Q was 'Qontinue' :-)

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In article <774jp6$l23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> edb_...@my-dejanews.com
(edb_gene) writes:

>That's like the old flow-control commands (XON/XOFF) where:
>Ctrl-S was 'Stop' and Ctrl-Q was 'Qontinue' :-)

Ouch.  That's as bad as the mnemonic I heard for memorizing the
hjkl keys in vi.  H and L were easy - H is on the left so it
moves you left, L is on the right so it moves you right.
That leaves J and K - which is which?  Well, J stands for
"Jump" (down), and K stands for "Klimb".

--
cgi...@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs)
Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply.

The REAL reason CTL-V is used to paste

Back in the days of old when most computer users where secretaries. To make
the transition easier from manual proofing i.e. pen and paper, they used the
letter V because it looked like the grammatical notation for insert. Sorry
guys the keyboard layout is coincidental.


Adrian Thompson wrote in message ...
>Hi.
>Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
>I realised I have no idea!
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Adrian Thompson
>Laisterdyke GM Middle School
>IT Technician
>
>http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
>http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

In article <F57LM...@news.boeing.com>, "Ralph Wade Phillips"
<ral...@techie.com> wrote:

>Hi there!
>
>TheCentralSc...@pobox.com wrote in message ...
>>On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:22:43 -0000, Adrian Thompson <He...@there.com> wrote:
>>>Hi.
>>>Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>>>shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
>>>I realised I have no idea!
>>
>>x=cut
>>c=copy
>>v=next key on keyboard
>
>        Actually, it comes from Command-X, Command-C, and Command-V on the
>Macintosh.
>
>        "So, Mr. Science, how were THEY picked?"
>
>        From the class I went to pre-1984 (December 1983, AAMOF), it went
>like this:
>
>        "X looks like a pair of scissors, so we CUT with X.  V looks like
>the tip of a paste brush from the side, so we PASTE with V.  C is stuck in
>the middle, and serves as a mnemonic for 'COPY', so we use C for Copy."
>
>        Sometime I'll dig out my ancient "Inside Macintosh" where they
>discuss this.

Don't forget cmd-Z for Undo.  Basically they took the top of the standard
Edit menu (Undo, Cut. Copy, Paste) and put them on the four keys at the
lower left of the keyboard, closest to the (single?) command key on the
original Macintosh keyboard.  Some programs even used command-B to mean
Clear, which was normally the command below Paste.
-- 
Kevin Michael Vail    | I would rather have a mind opened by wonder
ke...@vailstar.com    | than one closed by belief.   -- Gerry Spence

In article <575.677T15...@sky.bus.com>,
   "Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@sky.bus.com> wrote:
>In article <774jp6$l23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> edb_...@my-dejanews.com
>(edb_gene) writes:
>
>>That's like the old flow-control commands (XON/XOFF) where:
>>Ctrl-S was 'Stop' and Ctrl-Q was 'Qontinue' :-)
>
>Ouch.  That's as bad as the mnemonic I heard for memorizing the
>hjkl keys in vi.  H and L were easy - H is on the left so it
>moves you left, L is on the right so it moves you right.
>That leaves J and K - which is which?  Well, J stands for
>"Jump" (down), and K stands for "Klimb".
>

And all this time I thought the keys were picked because of their
relative position on the keyboard.  For instance, it was so much
easier to test if the <ctrl-Q> was in the same area as the <ctrl-S>.
One didn't have to move many muscles to do either.  The keys picked
for the applications where they used me as the data enterer,
were based on ease of data entry.  For instance, the programmer 
insisted that each entry be terminated with a carriage return,
causing me to "lose" my place on the keyboard.  I asked for the
space character to be the equivalent terminating character.  It
took a huge fight with the programmer, but I told him that the
rate of data entered would double if he made the change (that
rate of data entered was one of the customer's criteria).

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@sky.bus.com> wrote:
> In article <774jp6$l23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> edb_...@my-dejanews.com
> (edb_gene) writes:
>
> >That's like the old flow-control commands (XON/XOFF) where:
> >Ctrl-S was 'Stop' and Ctrl-Q was 'Qontinue' :-)

I used to tell people stop/quit stopping.  Then when the IBM PC decided
that ^S would be a toggle, it became stop/stop stopping.

> Ouch.  That's as bad as the mnemonic I heard for memorizing the
> hjkl keys in vi.  H and L were easy - H is on the left so it
> moves you left, L is on the right so it moves you right.
> That leaves J and K - which is which?  Well, J stands for
> "Jump" (down), and K stands for "Klimb".

The J is a fish hook, and K is a kite.
-- 
"Meow."  --me

"Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@sky.bus.com> wrote:

>In article <774jp6$l23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> edb_...@my-dejanews.com
>(edb_gene) writes:
>
>>That's like the old flow-control commands (XON/XOFF) where:
>>Ctrl-S was 'Stop' and Ctrl-Q was 'Qontinue' :-)
>
>Ouch.  That's as bad as the mnemonic I heard for memorizing the
>hjkl keys in vi.  H and L were easy - H is on the left so it
>moves you left, L is on the right so it moves you right.
>That leaves J and K - which is which?  Well, J stands for
>"Jump" (down), and K stands for "Klimb".

     If ^J and ^K were reversed in function, we could have "J" for
"Jerk (up (as in head))" and "K" for "Kollapse".  My mnemonics can
beat up your mnemonics.

     Most discussion about mnemonic value doesn't deal with the fact
that what is mnemonic to me may be Greek to you and v.v..  Much of it
is what you get used to.  I posted the following in
comp.lang.c.moderated some time ago in response to a complaint about
my then sig.  Peter Seebach is the moderator of the group and he may
remember it.

********** Start of Included Message **********
========
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c.moderated
Subject: Re: C pronunciation Guide correction
From: ge...@mindlink.bc.ca (Gene Wirchenko)
Date: 3 Aug 1996 11:43:30 -0500

m...@hubcap.clemson.edu (M. J. Saltzman) wrote:

>ge...@mindlink.bc.ca (Gene Wirchenko) writes:
>>"Michael J. Gelotte" <mgel...@bcc.ctc.edu> wrote:
>>>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>>>>      y=x++;     "wye equals ex plus plus semicolon"
>>>>      x=x++;     "ex equals ex doublecross semicolon"^^^^^  Actually, this pronunciation is INCORRECT.  The = operator is 
>>>pronounced "is assigned the value of" or "gets".  The == operator is the 
>>>only one pronounced "equals".

>>     Oh please!  "=" is called the "equals" sign.  Ask practically
>>anyone.
>>     I use "equals" for assignment and "is equal to" (or occasionally
>>"equals equals") for "==".  YMMV.

>I'm not taking sides here, but I thought I'd relate the following

     I'm sorry, but innocent bystanders are strictly forbidden in any
thread.  You should know that.

>anecdote (from a footnote in Cornell professors Gries and Schneider's
>_A Logical Approach to Discrete Math_):

>	Perhaps because of the use of = for assignment in
>	FORTRAN...assignment is often read as "x equals E".  This
>	causes great confusion.  [Gries] learned to distinguish
>	between = and := while giving a lecture in Marktoberdorf,
>	Germany, in 1975.  At one point, he wrote ":=" on the board
>	but pronounced it "equals".  Immediately, the voice of Edsger
>	W. Dijkstra boomed from the back of the room: "becomes!".

     "is assigned" or "gets"?  Since, no one in his right mind would
use gets() (due to the no bag-limit input), "gets" will work
beautifully.

>	After a disconcerted pause, [Gries] said, "Thank you; if I
>	make the same mistake again, please let me know.", and went
>	on.  Once more during the lecture, the mistake was made,
>	followed by a booming "becomes" and a "Thank you".  [Gries]
>	has never made that mistake again!  [Schneider], having
>	received his undergraduate education at Cornell, has never
>	experienced this difficulty. 

     I've never had the semantic problem that these worthies have had.

>Elsewhere (ObC):

>	Equality is one of our most important concepts, and it a
>	unique symbol.  The use of = for assignment in FORTRAN has
>	only caused confusion, as has the use of = for assignment and
>	== for equality in C.

     I know.  We'll explain "=" (assignment) as a bridge (looks like
one) that values travel over and use ":=" for comparison (the ":"
being a gate that stops the value from travelling and gates are used
as in city gates and customs for checking things over (i.e.
comparison).  Excellent mnemonic value!

     Or we could try explaining "=" (assignment) as a bridge (looks
like one) that values travel over and use "|" for equality (looking in
a mirror).  Needing a new symbol for "or", we'll grab "%".  There's a
slash in there which is used for alternatives in English and the two
circles have mnemonic value: reminding you that "%" (or) is dyadic.
To handle modulo division, we use "^" (it looks like it splits things
and we are splitting away the modulo value).  Now needing a symbol for
exclusive or, we take "'".  (The "'" looks like a one and one true
means true result on exclusive or.)  For character delimiting, we take
">" and "<" as in >a< (the SINGLE points point to the ONE character.
To avoid confusion, we also use <string> to represent strings (as the
TWO points point to the usually MULTIPLE character string).  Now
needing symbols for less than and greater than and having possibly
irritated Messrs. Backus and Naur, we use the double quote for BNF
since we aren't using it now and take >#< and have it return negative,
zero, or positive just like strcmp() and adding some more consistency
to the C language.  These changes will add much needed mnemonic value
to C and reduce confusion.

     Ah, but you complain that >#< is used by the preprocessor.  Well,
this is an excellent time to correct that and design a more powerful
one or leave it out altogether.  If the former, the redesigner can
make it easier to use and if the latter, having to remember nothing is
certainly mnemonic.

[I just hope Schildt doesn't read this and incorporate it in a book.
-mod]

>-- 
>		Matthew Saltzman
>		Clemson University Math Sciences
>		m...@clemson.edu

     Symbols are arbitrary and it's what you get used to.

Sincerely,

Gene "Don't mess with my sig or I'll mess with your mind!" Wirchenko

C Pronunciation Guide:
     y=x++;     "wye equals ex plus plus semicolon"
     x=x++;     "ex equals ex doublecross semicolon"
********** End of Included Message **********

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
     I have preferences.
     You have biases.
     He/She has prejudices.

  From jmfb...@aol.com came the words --

  . . .
> were based on ease of data entry.  For instance, the programmer
> insisted that each entry be terminated with a carriage return,
> causing me to "lose" my place on the keyboard.  I asked for the
  . . .

And people wonder why I will fight to be able to use ^H instead of
Backspace, ^M instead of Return/Enter, and ^[ instead of Esc. . . .

Dan Strychalski           dski at cameonet, cameo, com, tw (no _x_)

Since I haven't seen this mentioned in the thread: My understanding is
that using control-X, control-C and control-V to do cut, copy and paste
was based on an IBM user interface standard called "CUA".

I believe I learned this from some old Amiga documentation; on the Amiga
you use the left Amiga key instead of the control key.  Is there any
truth behind my recollections?

Hannu Rummukainen

Reader Hannu Rummukainen <hrum...@cc.hut.fi> writes in --

> Since I haven't seen this mentioned in the thread: My understanding is
> that using control-X, control-C and control-V to do cut, copy and paste
> was based on an IBM user interface standard called "CUA".

Now THERE's a question. Does any version of CUA say anything about any
ASCII Ctrl-key combinations?

Dan Strychalski              dski at cameonet, cameo, com, tw (no _x_)

ISTR that Wordstar navigation was based loosely upon
the compass rose.....
^E North, go up one line
^X South, down one line
^S West, left one char
^D East, right one char.

Then the "power" versions, one key further over...
^A left one word
^F right one word
^R Top of page
^C Bottom of page

Gareth Alun Evans <gar...@cemetery.demon.co.uk> wrote --

> ISTR that Wordstar navigation was based loosely upon
> the compass rose.....

Not bad. Try this:

<finger://ds...@cameonet.cameo.com.tw>

Hannu Rummukainen  <hrum...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:

> Since I haven't seen this mentioned in the thread: My understanding is
> that using control-X, control-C and control-V to do cut, copy and paste
> was based on an IBM user interface standard called "CUA".

Hmmm.... according to a web page at

   http://webopedia.internet.com/TERM/C/CUA.html

the CUA user interface standards didn't appear until 1987, which
would make them too late to have any influence on the Macintosh.
That date may not be accurate, though.

Another possibility, which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, is
that these key assignments were influenced by the UCSD P-system, which
was used for the initial Lisa development and which definitely affected
other aspects of the design.  The P-system editor doesn't use the V key
for anything, but it does use X and C for eXchange and Copy.  There's
also a Zap command, but it's been ten years since I wrote anything in
UCSD Pascal so I can't remember whether Zap has anything to do with 
undoing changes.

eric

C Lamb (cs...@stoat.shef.ac.uk) wrote:
: Adrian Thompson (He...@there.com) wrote:
: : Hi.
: : Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
: : shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
: : I realised I have no idea!

: I suppose, but don't treat as gospel, that since cut is ctrl-x - analogous
: to the 'del char' in vi and the shape of 'x' looks like crossing something
: out and copy is ctrl-c - well, the first letter of copy is 'c', the next
: key combination is, well, ctrl-v. Makes a happy little block of keys.

Take a look at a NeXT keyboard, and you get obvious confirmation.

In article <1999Jan16.1...@ichtys.n-online.de>,
k...@ichtys.n-online.de () wrote:

>C Lamb (cs...@stoat.shef.ac.uk) wrote:

>: I suppose, but don't treat as gospel, that since cut is ctrl-x - analogous
>: to the 'del char' in vi and the shape of 'x' looks like crossing something
>: out and copy is ctrl-c - well, the first letter of copy is 'c', the next
>: key combination is, well, ctrl-v. Makes a happy little block of keys.
>
>Take a look at a NeXT keyboard, and you get obvious confirmation.

I suspect it might have to do with the fact that before there was Windows,
and before there was NeXT, there was Macintosh.  And that's how it's done
on the Mac.  I don't know why the Mac does it that way.
-- 
Howard S Shubs                                      The Denim Adept

Howard S Shubs wrote:
> 
> In article <1999Jan16.1...@ichtys.n-online.de>,
> k...@ichtys.n-online.de () wrote:
> 
> >C Lamb (cs...@stoat.shef.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> >: I suppose, but don't treat as gospel, that since cut is ctrl-x - analogous
> >: to the 'del char' in vi and the shape of 'x' looks like crossing something
> >: out and copy is ctrl-c - well, the first letter of copy is 'c', the next
> >: key combination is, well, ctrl-v. Makes a happy little block of keys.
> >
> >Take a look at a NeXT keyboard, and you get obvious confirmation.
> 
> I suspect it might have to do with the fact that before there was Windows,
> and before there was NeXT, there was Macintosh.  And that's how it's done
> on the Mac.  I don't know why the Mac does it that way.
>
Well, actually the Mac uses command-V for paste, *not* control-V.  Except for
the use of the command key instead of the control key, the cut, paste, et. al.
is the same.

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
|     Charles and Francis Richmond     <rich...@plano.net>   |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Adrian Thompson wrote:
> Hi.
> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
> I realised I have no idea!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Adrian Thompson
> Laisterdyke GM Middle School
> IT Technician
> 
> http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
> http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Adrian Thompson wrote:
> Hi.
> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
> I realised I have no idea!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Adrian Thompson
> Laisterdyke GM Middle School
> IT Technician
> 
> http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
> http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:38:39 -0800 (PST)
mo_bru...@mogadore.net wrote:

> On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Adrian Thompson wrote:
> > Hi.
> > Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
> > shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here,
> > and I realised I have no idea!
> > 
> CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

	Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with the
little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)
while the right hand on the mouse does the selecting and positioning. It's
good ergonimic design - almost as good as the WordStar diamond.

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On 1/23/15 6:38 AM, mo_bru...@mogadore.net wrote:
> On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Adrian Thompson wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>> shortcut for Paste?

Because it is next to the "Copy" Ctrl-V key and it makes the copy-paste operation faster.

Also, because Apple used <cmd>C and <cmd>V

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

>	Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the keyboard
>layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with the
>little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is paste)

and "V" can easily be imagined as an insertion symbol.

Chris
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ch...@cdixon.me.uk

Plant amazing Acers.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:16:46 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> 
>>	Interesting theory - I think the reason has to do with the 
keyboard
>>layout. X, C and V are adjacent and in easy reach of the left hand with
>>the little finger on the control key (X is delete, C is copy and V is
>>paste)
> 
> and "V" can easily be imagined as an insertion symbol.

I always think of it as the end of a little paste brush.

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<mo_bru...@mogadore.net> wrote in message 
news:b4b13306-eae4-4de1-9833-5880e76b8a0d@googlegroups.com...
> On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Adrian Thompson wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
>> I realised I have no idea!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Adrian Thompson
>> Laisterdyke GM Middle School
>> IT Technician
>>
>> http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
>> http://www.athompson.mcmail.com
>
> CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

I always relate control-V for paste... because the V looked like an arrow 
pointing downward (toward the document).  Another reason is that it was 
desired to use th Z, X, V, and C keys for the undo, cut, paste, and copy 
operations... four keys in a row on the QWERTY keyboard.

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

On Friday, 23 January 2015 14:38:40 UTC, mo_b...@mogadore.net  wrote:
> On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Adrian Thompson wrote:
> > Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
> > shortcut for Paste?
> CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin for "paste

My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it.
It says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking 
"flour [to apply] to paper".
-- 

On 24-Jan-15 13:50, bert wrote:
> mo_b...@mogadore.net wrote:
>> Adrian Thompson wrote:
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a 
>>> keyboard shortcut for Paste?
>> 
>> CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin
>> for "paste
> 
> My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it. It 
> says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking "flour 
> [to apply] to paper".

When I Google "vipectus", 7/10 links on the first page reference that
meaning; one says that's wrong and it's really "βία πηκτικός" ("via
pektikos", to force to congeal).  The other two weren't relevant.

S

-- 
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CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 4:55:46 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> On 24-Jan-15 13:50, bert wrote:
> > mo_b...@mogadore.net wrote:
> >> Adrian Thompson wrote:
> >>> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a 
> >>> keyboard shortcut for Paste?
> >> 
> >> CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is latin
> >> for "paste
> > 
> > My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it. It 
> > says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking "flour 
> > [to apply] to paper".
> 
> When I Google "vipectus", 7/10 links on the first page reference that
> meaning; one says that's wrong and it's really "βία πηκτικός" ("via
> pektikos", to force to congeal).  The other two weren't relevant.

I really, really, find it hard to believe that this was the original reason 
that particular character was chosen.

John Savard

On 25-Jan-15 00:18, Quadibloc wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> On 24-Jan-15 13:50, bert wrote:
>>> mo_b...@mogadore.net wrote:
>>>> CTRL V is abbreviation of Control Vipectus. "Vipectus" is
>>>> latin for "paste
>>> 
>>> My Latin dictionary doesn't have "vipectus" or anything like it.
>>> It says that "paste" is "farina chartaria", or loosely speaking
>>> "flour [to apply] to paper".
>> 
>> When I Google "vipectus", 7/10 links on the first page reference
>> that meaning; one says that's wrong and it's really "βία πηκτικός"
>> ("via pektikos", to force to congeal).  The other two weren't
>> relevant.
> 
> I really, really, find it hard to believe that this was the original
> reason that particular character was chosen.

I find the proximity explanation more likely; I was just commenting on
the alleged translation of "paste" as "vipectus".

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

Control V is for 'verbatim' or for copying exactly what was written.  

MSK

On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Adrian Thompson wrote:
> Hi.
> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard 
> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and 
> I realised I have no idea!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Adrian Thompson
> Laisterdyke GM Middle School
> IT Technician
> 
> http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
> http://www.athompson.mcmail.com

That could well be.

But I heard something different.  It is supposed to put you in mind of an 
arrow, and the gesture of CTRL then V meaning more or less, PUT IT HERE.

    - Bill

wrote in message 
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Control V is for 'verbatim' or for copying exactly what was written.

MSK

On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Adrian Thompson wrote:
> Hi.
> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
> I realised I have no idea!
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Adrian Thompson
> Laisterdyke GM Middle School
> IT Technician
>
> http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
> http://www.athompson.mcmail.com 

On 12/05/2016 02:11, redfa...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.
>
Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on 
QWERTY keyboards.

Andrew Swallow wrote:

>On 12/05/2016 02:11, redfa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.
>>
>Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on 
>QWERTY keyboards.

and also that a V looks like an insertion arrow.

Chris
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ch...@cdixon.me.uk

Plant amazing Acers.

On Wed, 11 May 2016 18:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
redfa...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.

	Hmm, now see if you can guess why Ctrl-A is back one word in
WordStar - hint Wordstar was probably the best example of great
text mode ergonomics ever created - second hint they got the basic idea
from vi.

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On Thu, 12 May 2016 08:11:37 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote:

> Andrew Swallow wrote:
> 
>>On 12/05/2016 02:11, redfa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.
>>>
>>Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on
>>QWERTY keyboards.
> 
> and also that a V looks like an insertion arrow.
> 
> Chris

Or, at a stretch...a paste brush.




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"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message 
news:UradnSiv2sU9c67KnZ2dnUU78fWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 12/05/2016 02:11, redfa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm a good 17 years late, but I was always told it was Ctrl-Velcro.
>>
> Ctrl-v for Paste simply because Ctrl-P is Print and V follows C and X on 
> QWERTY keyboards.

And the "V" looks like a proofreader's mark for inserting text.

-- 

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In article <3c34ab47-c238-4846...@googlegroups.com>,
 13660mon...@gmail.com wrote:

> ctrl+c copy ctrl+v verbatim 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an afterism ...

Isaac

While stranded on the hard shoulder of the information super highway i...@witzend.com typed: 
> In article <3c34ab47-c238-4846...@googlegroups.com>,
>  13660mon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ctrl+c copy ctrl+v verbatim 
>
> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an afterism ...
>
> Isaac

Well, ctrl+p was already taken with print so they needed something else.
I think they chose v simply because it is next to c (copy) and x (cut).
I think x is cut because it is supposed to look like a pair of scissors.

-- 
Trog Woolley | (A Croweater stuck in Pommie Land)

Quadibloc wrote:

> In 1999 Adrian Thompson wrote:
>
>> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>> shortcut for Paste? 
> 
> Well, it was used for that back in the days of CP/M by WordStar

Did it? I thought ^V toggled between insert/overwrite mode in wordstar.

On 12/8/2017 12:57 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 11:55:16 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Adrian Thompson wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>>> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
>>> I realised I have no idea!
> 
>> Well, it was used for that back in the days of CP/M by WordStar, so I guess
>> it was just inertia.
> 
> ...actually, ^V meant "insert" in WordStar, as I noted in my original reply to
> you back at the time of your post.
> 
And "V" looks like the proofreader mark for inserting text.

-- 
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On 12/8/2017 12:23 PM, afle...@rusdstudents.net wrote:
> On Thursday, January 7, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Adrian Thompson wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Can anyone out there tell me why Windows uses Ctrl-V as a keyboard
>> shortcut for Paste? I've just been asked by one fo the children here, and
>> I realised I have no idea!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Adrian Thompson
>> Laisterdyke GM Middle School
>> IT Technician
>>
>> http://www.schoolsite.edex.net.uk/365/index.htm
>> http://www.athompson.mcmail.com
> 
> idk susan
> 

In the 18 years that have transpired since Adrian asked that question, 
I expect someone has already explained to him that "V" is reminiscent 
of the editor's mark that means "insert text here".

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:32:33 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
wrote: 

> On 2017-12-14, luserdroog <mij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Dan Strychalski
>> wrote: 
>>> John Riddoch <j...@scms.rgu.ac.uk> remarked --
>>> 
>>> > ZXCV are next to one another on _most_ keyboards; generally US/UK
>>> > ones (dunno the layouts of other locale keyboards).  In this
>>> > sense, BillG was playing to the largest market (US+UK probably use
>>> > > 50% of the world's computers).
>>> 
>>> Repeat after me: It started on the Mac. It started on the Mac. It
>>> started on the Mac....
>>> 
>>
>> *cough* Smalltalk Bravo Alto *cough*
> 
> *applause*
> 
> 

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