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Started by b... Brad Sherman
Sun, 04 Feb 1990 07:23
Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: b... Brad Sherman
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1990 07:23
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1990 07:23
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I have heard a number of versions of a story about a moth flying into a relay of an early electro-mechanical computer. The moth gets taped into the system log book. The use of "bug" meaning computer problem is born. Two questions: Can someone attest to moth in the logbook story? (First- or second- hand sources preferred.) I find it hard to believe that this was the first time that an insect jammed a relay. Is this really the origin of this meaning of bug? -- Brad Sherman (b...@alfa.berkeley.edu)
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: mcin... David McIntyre
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1990 19:48
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In article <1990Feb4.0...@agate.berkeley.edu> (Brad Sherman) writes: > >I have heard a number of versions of a story about a moth >flying into a relay of an early electro-mechanical computer. >The moth gets taped into the system log book. >The use of "bug" meaning computer problem is born. > Well, I won't try to make you believe this, I will just tell you who told me the story: Commodore Grace Hopper! Well, she was there! She was running that computer! She did a lot of firsts! I am not going to tell her she is wrong! -Dave Dave "mr question" McIntyre | "....say you're thinking about a plate mcin...@turing.cs.rpi.edu | of shrimp.....and someone says to office : 518-276-8633 | you 'plate,' or 'shrimp'......"
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: b... Bob Janssens
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1990 19:57
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1990 19:57
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In article <1990Feb4.0...@agate.berkeley.edu> b...@alfa.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman) writes:
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>I have heard a number of versions of a story about a moth
>flying into a relay of an early electro-mechanical computer.
>The moth gets taped into the system log book.
>The use of "bug" meaning computer problem is born.
>
The Oxford English Dictionary ( second edition ) quotes the use of "bug" as
"A defect or fault in a machine, plan, or the like" as early as 1889.
Interestingly, it seems Thomas Edison may have coined the term:
1889 Pall Mall Gaz. 11 Mar. 1/1 Mr. Edison, I was informed, had been
up the two previous nights discovering `a bug' in his phonograph-an
expression for solving a difficulty, and implying that some imaginary
insect has secreted itself inside and is causing all the trouble.
Bob Janssens b...@csg.uiuc.edu or b-jan...@uiuc.edu
Center for Reliable and High Performance Computing, University of Illinois
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: la... Jean-Francois Lamy
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 03:38
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 03:38
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Page 401 of Robert Blissmer's "Computer Annual: An Introduction to Information Systems 1985-1986" (John Wiley & Sons) has a photograph of a 1945 log book page for the Mark II with a largish moth taped to it. The entry reads "Relay #70, panel F, (moth) in relay, first actual case of bug being found". This would lend credence to the story, but also suggests the term was already in use at the time. Jean-Francois Lamy la...@cs.utoronto.ca, uunet!cs.utoronto.ca!lamy Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: zw... Johnny Zweig
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 07:03
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My understanding was that the term "bug" came from telephony, in which the buzzing noises heard on bad lines was jokingly attributed to bugs buzzing in the lines. Maybe this, in turn, comes from the use in audio recording technology cited by the OED -- namely, bugs making buzzing sounds on shoddy recordings. The 1945 log-book was a good joke since they actually *found* a real live (rather, dead) bug that was causing the problem. Hacker humor. -Johnny Bug
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: sa... Sam Bassett RCD
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 07:18
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 07:18
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The moth-in-the-relay story was told in the first person by Grace Murray Hopper, and the moth itself is on display in the logbook, wherever it is kept at present. She has told this story many times, in many forums, including, I believe, the book "A History of Computing in the Twentieth Century". The term "bug" was used before World War II for a defect or problem in a mechanical device -- it is just that this is the first documented _computer_ bug! Sam'l Bassett, Sterling Software @ NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field CA 94035 Work: (415) 694-4792; Home: (415) 969-2644 sa...@well.sf.ca.us sa...@ames.arc.nasa.gov <Disclaimer> := 'Sterling doesn't _have_ opinions -- much less NASA!'
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: po... Bill Poser
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 07:40
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 07:40
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This reminds me of the time we found a Xerox Dandelion (1108 hardware running LISP) dead due to a mouse that had gotten itself decapitated in the power supply fan. Just think, if events had occured in a different order we might refer to programs as having "mice".
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: br... Brian Kantor
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 14:32
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 14:32
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One day we found that our 2-kilowatt transmitter had died because a large spider had crawled into the final cavity and shorted out the high voltage. The computer controlling the transmitter had correctly shut it down, but couldn't tell us that it had a bug.... The technician's remark upon finding the carbonized spider was "no wonder it doesn't work: the chief engineer died!" - Brian
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: jg... John G. Hardie
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 16:54
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 16:54
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I'm told (I wasn't there) that the Bates Linear Accelerator in Middleton Mass. was brought down (yes, the entire facility) by a stray cat which managed to touch both terminals on the 10 MW (that's MEGAwatts folks) primary transformer. Supposedly it was quite a mess and took several days to get everything back up again. Anyone know the details? John -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John G. Hardie jg...@unix.cis.pitt.edu Dept. of Physics, Univ of Pittsburgh jg...@vms.cis.pitt.edu Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: zb... Ben Cranston
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 17:15
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1990 17:15
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In article <1990Feb4.0...@agate.berkeley.edu> b...@alfa.berkeley.edu
(Brad Sherman) writes:
>
> I have heard a number of versions of a story about a moth
> flying into a relay of an early electro-mechanical computer.
> The moth gets taped into the system log book.
> The use of "bug" meaning computer problem is born.
> Can someone attest to moth in the logbook story?
> (First- or second- hand sources preferred.)
I guess being a packrat has its uses. I'm looking at a much-xeroxed page
from "The Laboratory <unreadable>", U.S. Naval Weapons Lab, Dahlgren VA.
Vol 45 no 36, but date unreadable. Given the 1947 date and the 26 years
quoted in the caption this must have been published circa 1973 or so.
Those who don't want to see this, please skip this posting...
DO YOU KNOW THE ORIGIN OF THE WORD "DE-BUG"?
BILL BURKE IS THE OWNER OF THE ORIGINAL COMPUTER BUG.
In 1946 and 1947, Bill Burke, Head of the Computer Operations Branch (KOO)
and Ed Culhan, KEE, were at Harvard constructing the Aiken Relay Calculator,
more commonly refered to as MARK II. Named after Professor Howard Aiken,
Head of Harvard's Computation Laboratory, the system operated with several
thousand electrical [sic] mechanical relays. (Ralph, A. Niemann, Head of
the Warfare Analysis Department, was one of the first civilian programmers
hired at the University to work on MARK II.)
In September 1947, the programmer and the engineers were having difficulty
getting a program to run. After much exploration and much head scratching,
a moth was found trapped inside one of the relay cases of the calculator.
It had been beaten to death by the triggering of the relay. The bug was
enshrined in the machine's log with Scotch tape and now resides in Bill
Burke's desk drawer in C-107, K Department.
For the record -- the moth removed from MARK II is the origin of the word
"debugging" and it is owned by NWL, and not displayed in the Smithsonian,
as has been reported, and it was removed from the Aiken Relay Calculator.
[Caption of picture 1:] "TWENTY-SIX-YEAR-OLD-MEMORIES. Going clockwise:
Bill Burke, Ed Culhan, and Ralph Niemann consider the well-preserved insect
secured in the MARK II log which gave a new word to the English language.
[Caption of picture 2:] "The first computer "bug" really was this moth,
much smaller of course." [the picture makes it about 3" long! -zben]
--
Sig DS.L ('ZBen') ; Ben Cranston <zb...@Trantor.UMD.EDU>
* Network Infrastructures Group, Computer Science Center
* University of Maryland at College Park
* of Ulm
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: Neil Cherry
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1990 22:34
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1990 22:34
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I might as well add my two cents, so here it is. My understanding of the word bug is that it was used in the early 1800 during the first analytical engines. Probably even before that, think about wooden ships and bugs (insects) in the wood during building. This last part is not fact, just a thought. NJC
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: r... - Phydeaux -
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1990 19:26
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1990 19:26
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In article <1990Feb4.0...@agate.berkeley.edu> b...@alfa.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman) writes:
>I have heard a number of versions of a story about a moth
>flying into a relay of an early electro-mechanical computer.
>The moth gets taped into the system log book.
>The use of "bug" meaning computer problem is born.
>
>Two questions:
> Can someone attest to moth in the logbook story?
> (First- or second- hand sources preferred.)
I heard Grace Hopper give a talk a few years ago at a Heath Users' Group
convention. She told this story.
> I find it hard to believe that this was the first time
> that an insect jammed a relay. Is this really the origin
> of this meaning of bug?
It was a long time ago... there's a first time for anything... but remember,
it wasn't just *any* relay, it was one in a computer...
reb
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: sgo... Steve Golson
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1990 23:36
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1990 23:36
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>From _Annals of the History of Computing_ v10n4 1989 p. 340:
The First Bug
Grace Murray Hopper, Captain, USNR
NAVDAC
Washington DC 20374
In the summer of 1945 we were building Mark II; we had to build it in an awful
rush -- it was wartime -- out of components we could get our hands on. We were
working in a World War I temporary building. It was a hot summer and there was
no air conditioning, so all the windows were open. Mark II stopped, and we
were trying to get her going. We finally found the relay that had failed.
Inside the relay -- and these were large relays -- was a moth that had been
beaten to death by the relay. We got a pair of tweezers. Very carefully we
took the moth out of the relay, put it in the logbook, and put scotch tape
over it (Figure 2).
Now, Commander Howard Aiken had a habit of coming into the room and
saying, "Are you making any numbers?" We had to have an excuse when we weren't
making any numbers. From then on if we weren't making any numbers, we told him
that we were debugging the computer. To the best of my knowledge that's where
it started. I'm delighted to report that the first bug still exists; it is in
the Naval Museum at the Naval Surface Weapons Center in Dahlgren, Virginia.
Figure 2 shows a page of the Mark II log from September 9, 1945, including the
following entries:
1100 Started Cosine Tape (Sine check)
1525 Started Mult + Adder Test.
1545 |moth| Relay #70 Panel F
|here| (moth) in relay.
First actual case of bug being found.
1630 Arctangent started.
1700 Closed down.
As pointed out in the v10n4 _Annals_, this should more correctly be called
"The First Computer Bug," since the meaning of the word "bug" is at least a
hundred years older. An 1878 letter from Thomas Alva Edison to Theodore Puskas
includes the passage "...then difficulties arise -- this thing gives out and
then that -- 'Bugs' -- as such little faults and difficulties are called..."
To anyone interested in computing folklore and history I most strongly
reccommend you subscribe to the _Annals of the History of Computing_. It is
published quarterly for the American Federation of Information Processing
Societies (AFIPS) and can be ordered from
Springer-Verlag New York
Journal Fulfillment Services
44 Harz Way
Secaucus NJ 07094
Subscription is $38 per year for individuals in North America.
Steve Golson sgo...@East.sun.com gol...@cup.portal.com
Trilobyte Systems -- 33 Sunset Road -- Carlisle MA 01741 -- 508/369-9669
(consultant for, but not employed by, Sun Microsystems)
"As the people here grow colder, I turn to my computer..." -- Kate Bush
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: John Woods
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1990 00:22
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1990 00:22
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In article <1990Feb4.0...@agate.berkeley.edu>, b...@alfa.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman) writes: > I have heard a number of versions of a story about a moth > flying into a relay of an early electro-mechanical computer. > The moth gets taped into the system log book. > The use of "bug" meaning computer problem is born. Grace Murray Hopper (Madame COBOL) is the source of that story. Somewhere around here, there used to be photocopy of a photo of the actual log page, with moth, but it has disappeared. Adm. Hopper believe that was the source of the term "bug", but others have noted that "bug" was used to describe problems in transatlantic phone cables sometime before that. -- John Woods, Charles River Data Systems, Framingham MA, (508) 626-1101 ...!decvax!frog!john, john@frog.UUCP, ...!mit-eddie!jfw, j...@eddie.mit.edu
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: dav... James R. B. Davies
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1990 19:36
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To interject another reference into this discussion, the following is from the online Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.) as one of the definitions of "bug": b A defect or fault in a machine, plan, or the like. orig. U.S. 1889 Pall Mall Gaz. 11 Mar. 1/1 Mr. Edison, I was informed, had been up the two previous nights discovering `a bug' in his phonograph-an expression for solving a difficulty, and implying that some imaginary insect has secreted itself inside and is causing all the trouble. 1935 Jrnl. R. Aeronaut. Soc. XXXIX. 43 Casting, forging and riveting are processes hundreds of years old, and, to use an Americanism, `have the bugs ironed out of them'. 1956 N. SHUTE Beyond Black Stump v. 138 They worked..until the rig had settled down and all the bugs had been ironed out. 1958 Engineering 14 Mar. 336/2 The seven-and-a-half years..was not an excessive time to..get the `bugs' out of a new system of that kind.
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: pe... Peter da Silva
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1990 20:03
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1990 20:03
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In article <1990Feb4.0...@agate.berkeley.edu> b...@alfa.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman) writes:
> Can someone attest to moth in the logbook story?
I've seen the moth. It's in the Smithsonian.
I doubt if it was the first use of the word "bug" in this context.
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/ \
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Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: ai... Paul D. Crowley
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1990 23:40
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1990 23:40
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In article <22...@unix.cis.pitt.edu> jg...@unix.cis.pitt.edu (John G. Hardie) writes: >I'm told (I wasn't there) that the Bates Linear Accelerator in Middleton >Mass. was brought down (yes, the entire facility) by a stray cat which >managed to touch both terminals on the 10 MW (that's MEGAwatts folks) >primary transformer. Supposedly it was quite a mess and took several >days to get everything back up again. Anyone know anything about the story about the vast capacitors used for the Russian fusion torus project? Seems they had to carry such huge voltages that the plates were a metre apart. Some guy walked between them and...it took them a while to work out where this huge pile of dust came from. Saved on cremation. -- This posting contains logical punctuation, for which I make no apology. It may be reproduced freely in part or whole correctly accredited. Paul D Crowley aipdc@uk.ac.ed.castle --- It wasn't me, it was my aardvark.
Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: mik... Mike McManus
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1990 00:53
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1990 00:53
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In article <15...@east.East.Sun.COM> sgo...@pyrite.East.Sun.COM (Steve Golson) writes:
>
> From _Annals of the History of Computing_ v10n4 1989 p. 340:
>
> The First Bug
>
> Grace Murray Hopper, Captain, USNR
> NAVDAC
> Washington DC 20374
>
> [bug story deleted]
>
> I'm delighted to report that the first bug still exists; it is in
> the Naval Museum at the Naval Surface Weapons Center in Dahlgren, Virginia.
I have a 1-page summary of what is described in Steve'e posting, along with a
picture of the logbook page, that I evidently tore out of a _Reader's Digest_
many years back. I have it pinned above my terminal. At least it makes me
*LOOK* like a Real Hacker[tm] when people walk into my cube. :-)
--
Disclaimer: All spelling and/or grammer in this document are guaranteed to be
correct; any exseptions is the is wurk uv intter-net deemuns.
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NCR Microelectronics
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Re: Moth in relay! Urban myth?
Author: s... Stephen Jacobs
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1990 03:58
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1990 03:58
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I'd just like to point out in connection with the 'first bug' story (and I too
have seen a photo of the notebook entry, complete with dead moth) that the
tone in which the story is told STRONGLY suggests that the term 'bug' was
already being used at the time the bug actually got caught in the relay. That's
why people were so amused.
Steve J.
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