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In article <5ni3s5$1s...@elmo.cadvision.com>,
    John W Hall <Digita...@cadvision.com> wrote:
>wo...@berlin.snafu.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) wrote:
>
>>Mathematics is a made up set of rules. Made up by humans.
>>It's not intrinsic to the universe.
>
>Maybe, but the number of clockwise spirals of sunflower seeds, and the
>number of anti-clockwise spirals in the same head, are adjacent
>numbers in the Fibbonacci Series.

    Same with pinecones...
    If mathematics is made up by humans, did the number of Earths
vary between 0 and infinity until the first neanderthal learned to
count to one? It seems to me that the existance of mathematics is
pretty much independent of the perception of aggregate brain cells,
otherwise the very fabric of rality would have been homogeneous chaos
which couldn't have formed the very brain cells required to bring
order to it.
    In other words, mathematical relationships existed long before
humans did - the intensity of light still varied by 1/d^2 (or the
Earth would have been plasma), water was still 1/8 hydrogen by mass,
and pi was still pi.
    For that matter, if it's possible to assign (possibly infinite)
identifying integers to universes, then it seems that math exists
independent of the universe itself (as it can be applied to things
which exist outside the perceived universe - even if only one universe
exists).

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John Bayko (Tau).
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