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Re: 1958 Crisis in education

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From: J. Clarke
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:20
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On 17 Jul 2018 16:32:13 -0300, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

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>J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> And now we disdain vo-tech as "the dummy track" and don't have
>> "commercial" programs at all in most schools.
>
>My town had five highschools: Classical, Tech, Commerce, Trade and
>Cathedral.   Only Roman Catholics opted for Cathedral.  The real
>dummies went to Trade ubtil they were old enough to drop out.  Those
>aiming for cololege/university were urged to choose Classical.
>
>But many of the careers for which Trade, Commerce and Tech were
>expected to prepare one no longer exist or have morphed to varying
>degrees into computer skills.  Millwright, auto mechanic, machiist,
>draughtsman (just for example) now deal heavily with computerized
>systems.  Typists, comptometer operators, file clerks inter alia are
>reduced by 90% over the last 50 years.
>
>So everybody wants to go to college to ensure they'll get a decent
>job.  Adapting to that perspective, both public schools and
>colleges/universities (possibly excluding the the elite $75,000 per
>annum ones) have watered down their curricula to be digital era
>vo-tech.  And people who got all 'A's in high school English arrive at
>university unable to write a simple paragraph in correct English.

And people who got "computer science" degrees from fairly prestigious
colleges so that they can get good jobs are shocked when they find
that their employer expects them to know how to write code.

That one deals with computerized systems doesn't mean that the skill
is in the computer.  It's a tool  You learn how to use it.  And you
aren't going to get those skills in a typical four-year college.
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