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Re: 1958 Crisis in education

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From: Anne Lynn Wheeler
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:16
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JimP <solo...@gmail.com> writes:
> I saw this as far back as 1975. High school grads, straight As, knew
> next to nothing. A high school grad from a different nearby town, B
> student, knew lots more than the other one.
>
> Not so bad, from the ones I encountered, in the late 1980s when I was
> at a 4-year university. But saw a big jump in people who were close to
> being illiterate, with high school diplomas, in the early 2000s. Some
> in the US military. Some sergeants and some officers.
>
> I used an apparently terribly difficult word a few months ago out in
> public. Only my sibling standing nearby had heard the word. The word
> was 'sibling'. I had to explain it. To adults. Ages varying from 30s
> to 60s.

I've mentioned before doing some work with major large mid-western state
university that said they had "dumbed down" material for entering
freshmen three times in the period 1970 through mid-90s (about once a
decade making freshman material increasingly "dumb")
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