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Article #624977Re: 1958 Crisis in education
From: Anne Lynn Wheeler
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:16
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:16
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JimP <solo...@gmail.com> writes: > I saw this as far back as 1975. High school grads, straight As, knew > next to nothing. A high school grad from a different nearby town, B > student, knew lots more than the other one. > > Not so bad, from the ones I encountered, in the late 1980s when I was > at a 4-year university. But saw a big jump in people who were close to > being illiterate, with high school diplomas, in the early 2000s. Some > in the US military. Some sergeants and some officers. > > I used an apparently terribly difficult word a few months ago out in > public. Only my sibling standing nearby had heard the word. The word > was 'sibling'. I had to explain it. To adults. Ages varying from 30s > to 60s. I've mentioned before doing some work with major large mid-western state university that said they had "dumbed down" material for entering freshmen three times in the period 1970 through mid-90s (about once a decade making freshman material increasingly "dumb") http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#45 How will current AI/robot stories play when AIs are real? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#28 Offshore IT http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#48 Mozilla v Firefox http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#23 SAT Reading and Math Scores Show Decline http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#51 IBM Unionization http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#37 was: 1975 movie "Three Days of the Condor" tech stuff http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#18 Great Brian Arthur article on the Second Economy http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012g.html#75 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017d.html#27 US Education also that in the early 90s, there were studies (including information from 1990 census) that half of the 18 year olds were functionally illiterate http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005g.html#43 Academic priorities http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#7 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#68 Poll: oldest computer thing you still use http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#29 folklore indeed http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#39 competitiveness http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#20 Five great technological revolutions http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#67 I would like to understand the professional job market in US. Is it shrinking? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#43 Larrabee delayed: anyone know what's happening? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#38 Happy DEC-10 Day http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#69 No command, and control http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#80 Chinese and Indian Entrepreneurs Are Eating America's Lunch http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#48 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#36 The Next Convergence: The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#125 UC-Berkeley and other 'public Ivies' in fiscal peril http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012h.html#18 How do you feel about the fact that India has more employees than US? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#36 Race Against the Machine http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#32 How Comp-Sci went from passing fad to must have major http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#4 Decimal point character and billions http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#5 Decimal point character and billions -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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