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Article #624957Re: usenet history, was 1958 Crisis in education
From: JimP
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 21:37
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 21:37
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:52:26 -0400, Michael Black <mbl...@pubnix.net> wrote: >On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, John Levine wrote: > >> In article <5b537e2d...@news.dslextreme.com>, >> Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote: >>> Usenet posts used to be considered ephemeral; now they're eternal -- even ones >>> made many years before Dejanews, let alone Google Groups. >> >> They were only ephemeral because we didn't have enough disk space to >> keep them all. The more disk you had, the more you kept. There were >> usenet sites fed by magtape, and I always assumed they kept the tapes. >> >I have some messages going back to 1996, things I thought were interesting >enough to save, or messages I intended to reply to, but never did. Not >really an "archive" but that was how simple it was to keep messages. >Actually, when we had a "freenet" here in Montreal in 1996, there was a >newsgroup only there, and I did archive the whole four months of >operation. > >> As others have noted, the fact that we have archives back to 1981 >> tells us that *someone* was always keeping them. > >It was google that made the effort to find old archives. I think some of >it was related to specific newsgroups, so some one or place would archive >a newsgroup they thought were valuable. But I suspect yes, there wasn't >an online archive going back to 1981, it was saved to tape and somehow the >tape was never reused. Maybe in the early days someone did set out to >archive, the traffic was low enough that someone might. But until >dejanews started a public archive, usenet really was seen as "temporary". >It's hard to believe that it's 22 or 23 years since dejanews came along, >which is now longer than the time between the start of usenet, if we use >1981, and dejanew's arrival in 1995 or 1996. > > Michael I was on usenet newsgroups about 1992. Here and about 3 others. Before that, about 1990, I was briefly on a newsfeed sent over to bitnet... I am not certain of the exact configuration. My account in 1990 was Bitnet, and likely I received this and one other newsgroup as a digest.
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