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Article #624956Re: usenet history, was 1958 Crisis in education
From: Anne Lynn Wheeler
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:46
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:46
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Michael Black <mbl...@pubnix.net> writes: > It was google that made the effort to find old archives. I think some > of it was related to specific newsgroups, so some one or place would > archive a newsgroup they thought were valuable. But I suspect yes, > there wasn't an online archive going back to 1981, it was saved to > tape and somehow the tape was never reused. Maybe in the early days > someone did set out to archive, the traffic was low enough that > someone might. But until dejanews started a public archive, usenet > really was seen as "temporary". It's hard to believe that it's 22 or > 23 years since dejanews came along, which is now longer than the time > between the start of usenet, if we use 1981, and dejanew's arrival in > 1995 or 1996. there is TYMSHARE's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare CMS-based online computer conferencing from the early 70s ... and started making it free to (IBM user group) SHARE as VMSHARE in AUG1976, archives now at http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare I had also cut a deal with TYMSHARE to get monthly tape dump of all VMSHARE files to putting up on internal network and services (including world wide virtual machine based online sales & marketing HONE system). A major hurdle was overcoming lawyers who were afraid that employees would be contaminated with customer information. misc. old vmshare related email http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare archived HONE (&/or APL) related posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone trivia: after MD bought TYMSHARE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare#Tymshare_sold_to_McDonnell_Douglas VMSHARE was migrated to McGill University ... old post reference http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#42 vmshare and corporate sponsored university BITNET (bitnet used same technology as internal network, originally from co-worder at science center) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BITNET archived BITNET related posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet early 90s, pagesat was doing usenet feed over satellite. I got "free" feed for doing ms/dos and unix drivers (also co-authored article for boardwatch magazine) ... original feed was 9.6kbit ... but image files on usenet was increasing and they doubled feed to 19.2kbit. Old picture http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/pagesat.jpg pagesat usenet feed discussion group https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/biz.pagesat past posts mentioning boardwatch article http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#38 Vanishing Posts... http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#39 I'll Be! Al Gore DID Invent the Internet After All ! NOT http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#66 UUCP email http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#16 Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#11 An Out-of-the-Main Activity http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#17 What if phone company had developed Internet? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#16 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#19 IBM-MAIN longevity http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#19 Another one bites the dust http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#84 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#74 bulletin board http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#75 Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#92 The PC industry is heading for collapse http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#26 Anyone here run UUCP? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#67 Royal Pardon For Turing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#38 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#57 email security re: hotmail.com http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#109 25 Years: How the Web began http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#59 The Forgotten World of BBS Door Games - Slideshow from PCMag.com http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017b.html#21 Pre-internet email and usenet (was Re: How to choose the best news server for this newsgroup in 40tude Dialog?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017g.html#51 Stopping the Internet of noise http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017h.html#110 private thread drift--Re: Demolishing the Tile Turtle -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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